Billy Corgan

Its also funny that he barged in on a revive that started out about a stupid wrestling league to let us know that, yes, he still hates Billy Corgan.

our intrepid time traveler storms in once again, fresh from a decades-old culture war nobody else cares about

Ahab close behind, clinging to his pet thesis that has no grounding in anything

I'm in favor of the wrestling league tho

i just think it's funny when you have all this venom for random old bands that stopped being 'divisive' ages ago and are now just remembered by their fans and practically forgotten by anybody else. even malkmus has probably moved on by now, dude!

I have to laugh when aero pops up with a post like this because it goes against all the times when he chides other ilxors for getting all aggro and not being chill about stuff.

no jon /via/ you're right I am wrong it's just useless reflexive "gah h8 them" shit from me - I just saw ned's facebook on this & then this & I was like "man of all the bands that smart people like this one is just so weird to me" - like, I don't care about new order after the first track on Republic but when they lasso'd Corgan for Get Ready I was like...really? kinda like the Stones letting Billie Joe play on their record to me, very much a "who sucks compared to everybody else here" deal

the thing about the "divisive" thing some dude is I learned about Malkmus's animus toward these guys from ilx poster some dude, on this board, within the last year. I don't know anything about any beef anybody had with him - your "decades-old culture war" is actually a single-person "I don't like this band" thing. I'm not fighting "culture wars," that idea is kind of a hobby-horse of yours. I just think this band is kinda uniquely shitful is all

I like some of this band's stuff (a fairly narrow swathe of it tbh) but otherwise totally feel aero's animosity. altho with me it's more of a "spurned fan" anger cuz I did really like Gish a lot in 1991 or whatever.

haha trust me, as one of those smart (I hope!) Pumpkins fans of the olden days, I'm very used to people expressing their outrage, but it seemed out of character for you

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bonus tracklisting looks kinda weak

there's just so much 88-91 stuff. had to stop somewhere i guess

Corgan should just write some more.

there's just so much 88-91 stuff. had to stop somewhere i guess

Well thats because thats just for the Gish one. The Siamese Dream one picks up after that.

it is out of character for sure it's just like, some things I vibe kinda alex in nyc about getting my hate on. but some dude's weird "the camp you were in then" schtick is like...I think dude has a very projected idea about what I was listening to in the 90s

xp yeah, i meant to say "there's so much 88-91 stuff to choose from, some weird choices here, etc"

i am definitely hoping for more full-length "pistachio medley" cuts to surface, whether on a MCIS reissue or whatever

the thing about the "divisive" thing some dude is I learned about Malkmus's animus toward these guys from ilx poster some dude, on this board, within the last year. I don't know anything about any beef anybody had with him - your "decades-old culture war" is actually a single-person "I don't like this band" thing. I'm not fighting "culture wars," that idea is kind of a hobby-horse of yours. I just think this band is kinda uniquely shitful is all

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it was just a joke about pavement's "range life" representing the general '90s indie distaste for the smashing pumpkins

but i mean stuff like the thread where you're all hey when did people decide Guns N Roses were great, or worrying that people dismiss DLR-era Van Halen because of Sammy Hagar? they just seem like slightly funny old rock lifer things to say, i hope i don't seem malicious or on some weird armchair psychology theorizing when i have a chuckle about generation gaps.

i mean i have no idea what you were listening to in the '90s other than the stuff you post about now that already existed back then and make no claims to believe otherwise

Yeah, I hope to see some of that stuff, but I also sometimes kind of doubt just how much of this promised booty in the vaults actually exists. Like, with the rabid bootleg following these guys have already, is there really that much "secret" stuff left? The tracklistings aren't bearing that out just yet but, as I said, I'll be happy to have some of this stuff cleaned up.

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no it's cool it's just like -- I literally didn't hear "Range Life" until a couple of years ago, I wasn't involved in the culture wars you invoke except in my one-man "ooh this smashing pumpkins band is terrible" army. no malice inferred I just feel like you attribute my opinions to something more programmatic than a simple pleasure/distaste axis

it is true however that I am 1000 years old I can't front

not programmatic per se but i feel like you just have to x years old/entrenched in underground rock to have been offended by SP -- to alt rock kids at the time it was like ok these new guys aren't as good as nirvana but they're better than stone temple pilots so let's give them a chance, annoying vocals and all

fwiw alex in nyc's "i would like to remind you that michael jackson still sucks" is hilarious to me too

not programmatic per se but i feel like you just have to x years old/entrenched in underground rock to have been offended by SP -- to alt rock kids at the time it was like ok these new guys aren't as good as nirvana but they're better than stone temple pilots so let's give them a chance, annoying vocals and all

lol this is otm & fair enough on all points, I'm probably pretty sensitive to charges of coming off old-dude because a lot of my peers listen to exactly nothing that's new and I look at them and think "how can you have become the blinkered person talking about how fuckin great music was when you were a teenager" - kinda take pride in not being that dude as far as my listening habits go. & part of why I hate sp so bad is like I consider some hated bands of today like my chemical romance considerably more listenable than Ol' Wheezy & His Style-Free Sidemen

smashing pumpkins were my favorite band in elementary, middle, and high school. like ned i'll stan for billy's solo record but not much beyond that.

but i actually listened to some of the songs from the tearygarden thing today and i thought one was pretty okay! he used to be a less terrible lyricist though

I'm also fascinated by how it's not just that some people like a band I always had a particular allergy to - it's, some people had life-changing experiences with a band whose music makes me reach for a glass of drano

it's not necessarily a good life

but yeah i loved adore when it came out and all my friends were like "this soft shit is terrible, what happened to mellon collie"

that experience informed a lot of my later attitudes, i'm sure.

I'm also fascinated by how it's not just that some people like a band I always had a particular allergy to - it's, some people had life-changing experiences with a band whose music makes me reach for a glass of drano

I understand that sentiment; I feel that way about some other currently popular whiney-voiced indie bands my friends are really into. But I love early Pumpkins unreservedly.

("currently popular whiney-voiced indie bands" not meant to be a zing - lol)

lol I wondered whether it was just my narcissism that made me go "OOOH SNAP"

hope corgan hires mould

I would only go see the Pumpkins in 2011 if I could go with that guy from Ya Ho Wha 13 whose ecstatic FB comments I posted upthread.

Corgan blames state of music industry for Del Rey's 'SNL' appearance

This is my favorite line: "Don't call it rock 'n' roll. I was part of a generation that changed the world -- and it was taken over by poseurs."

okay Billy, I will not call "Party Rock Anthem" or "Super Bass" rock 'n' roll

to be fair, both members of LMFAO call themselves "rock 'n' roll" in Party Rock Anthem

Basically all Billy Corgan did for his generation was bridge the gap between Nirvana and Third Eye Blind.

Despite all his rage
He's watching Lana Del Rey take the stage

that stings x-post

Corgan lost his hair for rock and roll, dudes!

Despite all his rage
He's watching Lana Del Rey take the stage
Video Gaaaaaaaaames

the empty bodies stand at rest
casualties of their own flesh
video gaaaayyymes

he actually didn't call Lana Del Rey "rock and roll," if you carefully read that mini-story that was made for attention spans of an era in which alleged adult tastemakers listen to kiddie pop.

stop defending billy corgan

it doesn't appear that he accused anyone else of calling her such either

it doesn't appear that anyone in this thread accused him of that referring to LDR with the "rock & roll" line, so maybe it's you who needs the lesson in careful reading

sorry. it's not like I've ever seen or heard LDR, or "Party Rock Anthem" or "Super bass."

well, they all suck more or less, but they're also not aimed at condescending old fossils whose attention spans are so "long" that they only show up on threads about acts that peaked before 1996, so don't worry about that, nobody's surprised

come meet me

and the pavement?

some dude, I think you peaked in utero

well of course, In Utero was the greatest album ever made by the generation that changed the world