teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

dunno if that's an entirely fair characterization of the stuff mentioned in the OP, especially TGF

^ yea i'm not sure where that's coming from? like at all...

and i was about to question why permanent vacation and john talabot were getting mentions itt, from what i can tell this scene wants nothing to do with the current european incarnation of house/techno (despite the awesomeness of talabot's "cheaters" remix and the fact that he uses maria minerva in his equally awesome xlr8r mix). it seems like (again, release-heavy and diy) dudes like omar-s and legowelt are definitely huge influences, and what i can't help but notice is how all these acts code as undeniably AMERICAN. seems like a reaction to the european dance music establishment more than anything, which was a huge turnoff at first tbh

this also could be seen as a way to circumvent the gag reflex most hipsters (in SF at least) have when you start talking about going to clubs and more refined house music

this is unfortunately OTM

i love soft metals too but wouldn't put them in here.

yea that was probably a mistake on my part, i guess my reasoning was: 1) sometimes they used acid lines and 2) portland

I'm sure a distaste for refined music played a bit of a role, but it's not like the noise/indie scene these people are drifting in from are known for their global stance.

as far as the fidelity question goes, i think another real distinction between a sig. amount of uk/european house and this stuff comes down to hardware vs software. which would theoretically work in the hipsters' favor if they pressed these releases with more care/better mastering

what would they sound like if they pressed the releases with more care? apparat?

or just h&la? because i don't think they'd actually sound like the dfa.

dunno about the hardware vs. software thing, i remember reading interview quotes from ital somewhere where he talked about making his tracks in audacity and going "shhhhh" into his computer mic to make the hi-hat sounds

feel like the differences between these guys and more conventional house producers run deeper than just "these guys use synths" and "these guys use software"

how did dissident records sound in clubs? i live in the states so i'm not sure i ever actually got to lay eyes on one

i bet, given the circuit-bending influence, that they are at least not above things like hardware emulation and DSP

dissident stuff sounds ridiculous, as does the underrated supersoul label

ital uses a laptop, yes, but a lot of these acts don't. i have no idea what it'd sound like with better mastering, i guess the future times/l.i.e.s. stuff is an example of this tho

feel like the differences between these guys and more conventional house producers run deeper than just "these guys use synths" and "these guys use software"

this is absolutely true, i was referring to fidelity tho

but less chilled than future times

iirc the ital stuff is done on a computer but the mi ami record was done under a specific remit to use hardware samplers or trackers or something

sort of enjoy the notion of house sonics being explored by people who are more promiscuous in terms of production/process, fetishizing the sound of old house records in a more abstract way than retro-minded producers elsewhere that fetishize the hardware that was used to make them or in the case of the NYC necro-disco hotel lounge edit house thing, samples of the records themselves

the case of the NYC necro-disco hotel lounge edit house thing

^^ new thread?!?

saw this stuff described as "art-school techno" in a review today

link?

sort of enjoy the notion of house sonics being explored by people who are more promiscuous in terms of production/process

Is this comparison limited to the examples you then cite? Or just a general statement?

Because i don't think house music is particularly afflicted by a lack of sonic promiscuity.

http://www.yellowgreenred.com/

ctrl+f innergaze

what is necro-disco?!?

http://www.drben.net/files/China/Source_Materials/BooksALL/Communism/Mao-ManNotGod-FrThQ.jpg

whoops wrong thread

TS: standard tropical Italo dub vs NYC necro-disco hotel lounge edit house

i want to hear this impossibly exotic-sounding yet no doubt totally mundane crap house music!

Is this comparison limited to the examples you then cite? Or just a general statement?

Because i don't think house music is particularly afflicted by a lack of sonic promiscuity.

― Tim F, Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:47 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

yr right i take it back nvm

he probably means wolf and lamb

ital uses a laptop, yes, but a lot of these acts don't. i have no idea what it'd sound like with better mastering, i guess the future times/l.i.e.s. stuff is an example of this tho

again, i think a lot of this is about process and a lot of aversion to the use of laptops in performances (it's a philosophy i also subscribe to in my compositions). steve summers for instance will use only hardware on his performances and for his remixes he will do a single take using his live setup. the use of shhhh sounds for hats and other lo-fi sampling/production techniques is very true to house's roots as well, which is where i believe the philosophy derives. there's an idolization of people like rick wilhite who did not have access to serious mastering techniques and much of his stuff was legitimate bedroom studio production. whether these artists have access to mastering or the funds to spend on it is another question, but i feel like that is where the inspiration comes from.

necro house must mean like art department or wolf + lamb black

standard italo dub ... is that like social disco club?

but like i said there are connections to the more traditional house scene. On The Prowl just came out with a release on their sublabel Let's Play House (inspired by the monthly of the same name) that features a beautiful swimmers remix of a Runaway track. Runaway is undoubtedly part of the more refined sounding house music, but they don't perform live and neither do Beautiful Swimmers. all of these people are running in very close circles and we are a small community of like-minded individuals but people are doing very different things.

i don't think H&LA and Wolf + Lamb really belong itt

I thought Wolf + Lamb were being cited as a negative point of comparison.

house producers have been fetishizing the past since forever, and altho the necro-disco comment almost makes sense within the context of that post i agree that h&la and w+l do not belong here at all

sorry to harp on about this but i don't think the mastering / pressing thing is an aesthetic choice but rather down to not really giving it much consideration.

dissident records sound great btw.

Legowelt's record label is based in Portland now, I believe

did he move to portland?

I dunno I just got an email from their mailing list last year saying they wouldn't be accepting orders for a month due to moving to Portland.
Most of the stuff on that label is just nice dark lofi ambient stuff, not all that jackin.

I can see NNF folks being way into Legowelt's Smackos and Franz Falckenhaus stuff.

which label?

legowelt does not live in portland

sorry to harp on about this but i don't think the mastering / pressing thing is an aesthetic choice but rather down to not really giving it much consideration.

this is pretty much what i said. process driven composition that puts little priority on dance-floor mastering.

so 100% silk is putting out a 12" of peaking lights remixes huh

anyway i like this thread a lot, its like alien anthropology or s.thing, laptops in performance vs. laptops in dissemination idk

It's a nice twist, I must say.

moonship, his label is Strange Life

Anyway, the whole DIY angle of this stuff is interesting. Techno/house is so intrinsically DIY, it's cool seeing different permutations of how that mentality is expressed.

wow all the stuff on that label sounds awesome so far. legowelt is one of those guys with an intimidatingly massive back catalog, and then when you throw side projects / related artists / stuff on his labels into the mix it's just insane

if anyone has dug through it all and can give me a rough primer i would be v v grateful

favorite track itt so far is that magic touch one (last youtube posted before this post)

i want to hear it on a big system so bad!!

Magic touch best of the bunch imo

What a weird thread to read. I've known the boys from Blondes since 2003, and was at the first Teengirl Fantasy show. Those boys raided my computer in 2007 & 2008, and I know Nick in some other ways ;-) ....so I dunno, I'm totally biased.

What I will say is that I saw Teengirl Fantasy twice in late September, and though the first night looked like lolcollege (they were opening for James Blake), the second night was....genuinely a gay, gay party scene. And in addition, Nick and Logan just tore the fucking roof off the place. It was the best live performance I've seen this year. A lot of their newer stuff sounds infinitely more....Detroit. Like one thing they played totally channeled Delano Smith's early work.

also, does Ital dude still perform under the Sex Worker moniker? i fucking hope not.