teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (968 of them)

Surely 100% Silk is the house to IDIB's disco? The Silk stuff is far more trackier. And I'm just going to throw in the Invisible Conga People are easily my favourite act from this axis.

Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ital's production technique is discussed here: http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.com/podcast/lwe-podcast-97-ital/

Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think IDIB is more connected to 70s and 80s disco and early house/techno, whereas this stuff is a further rooted in the 90s when house and techno were more established.

That video for Miracles Club "Church Song" looks so much fun, one for the "videos I want to live inside of" thread. It was the song I was dancing around my kitchen too a few weeks ago when I accidentally broke a glass and stood on it, so now it has a bittersweet connotation for me.

Can we also join the dots between this stuff and: "My Girls"; Delorean; Sincerely Yours (the record label); John Talabot?

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

alexis blair penney is worth checking out too- pretty embedded in the aunt charlies queen scene in sf, most of her album is being produced by teengirl fantasy, this remix is p nice imo

fellow ilxor sanfrandisco is working with her on something too (hope it's ok to mention that!)

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wish some of these artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful on a club system.

stirmonster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean i didn't mean to imply that 100% silk was just a rote continuation of the exact music IDIB started out releasing, more just like picking up the ball that IDIB sorta dropped when they turned into a comparatively standard-issue nu-disco/edits label

always got the sense that glass candy/chromatics really resisted any attempts to be connected to the larger context of what else was going on in music at the time, refusing for example to allow official remixes or cooperate with warp or dfa or any of the other labels that were absolutely pursuing them

sorta feel like maybe anyone who was a fan of theirs that followed that worldview would have valued not the fact that they referenced disco but that they approached dance music in general from a point of view that was more in line with the ethos of noise/punk/DIY music than anything people actually played in clubs

like to think of 100% silk as those people, who maybe always assumed IDIB would continue to explore that approach and follow the natural progression of influences from 80's disco to 90's house, and ended up deciding to do it themselves once it became clear IDIB wasn't ever going to get around to it

james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't meant to suggest otherwise - just to point out how 100% provide a continuum in more than just one way.

Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wish some of these artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful on a club system.

it's probably deliberate in some examples but that doesn't make this point any less valid

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wish all artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful full stop

the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah absolutely, amanda brown even sounds enough like ida no on some of those recent la vampires collaborative EPs that they almost function as elseworlds alternate universe glass candy singles that plug different influences into the same basic approach for kicks

james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm actually a little hesitant to almost dismiss stuff like the artists on 100% Silk with a name like "hipster house" (not that that was necessarily the intention here)... that area involves your more psych-y/post-drone types... who for my take tend to be a little more involved and experimental than the usual "LOLindies-going-____".

besides, the psychedelic tendency to mess with the form is a way things can mutate and evolve, so I'm kinda feeling it, actually. Maria Minerva is one of my favorite things out there right now

Chris S, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

those maria minerva releases sound a lot like nite jewel with worse recording equipment

i think a lot of ppl in this thread (me too obv) are 'feeling it', so i do apologize for a potentially pejorative term. but it is effective, no?

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

throwing a dash of the h-word in the title of any thread is a proven recipe for getting a lot posts

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well "The indie end of the noise spectrum having a go at house thread" is a bit banal for a title.

Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really like the magic touch 12", but i am a huge jonas reinhardt fan so

the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know and have had pleasant, friendly interactions with a lot of these ppl so i can only hope the term wouldn't piss them off (it probably would to a degree but it's all in the name of META). i *do* want this stuff to take off tho because it is one of the only things i care much about in the musical world of pdx (besides mississippi records of course)

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the point I was trying to make in my earlier post (quoted in the question for this thread) is that this stuff codes as "hipster" in ways that I'm almost tempted to call objective - rather than the kind of pedigree-based "oh this person is a poser"/"lolindie" implication of the word which can only ever be relational to the speaker.

Objective significations of hipsterism in this material:

1) faux-period sleeve art;

2) faux-period monikers (not "Teengirl Fantasy" which is hipster in a different way, but definitely "100% Silk", "Miracles Club", "Magic Touch", "Ital"); and

3) notwithstanding (1) and (2), an air (sonically and discursively) of distance from the very things that (1) and (2) mimic, not superiority or even necessarily straight sonic differentiation, rather a sense that the original artifact is defined by its aura of inacessibility and unreproduceability - a time of lost innocence etc. etc.

basically 100% Silk : early house :: Stereolab : space age bachelor pad music.

Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

its okay to be a hipster guys

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, for sure, guess I just wanted to note the distinction since I'm see a lot of merit in some of the stuff, and 'hipster' does have its connotations... but yeah I see where you're coming from. xxxxpost

Chris S, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't mind being a hipster! I just like to break down how the term works in particular cases b/c it's got a million different meanings.

Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Especially considering it's broadest meaning is basically people younger than the speaker who aren't bogans.

Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

said elsewhere on ilx, but I kind of know one of these dudes

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

you know a hipster?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

'this stuff was covered already on the chillwave thread' - some annoyed msgbrdr

my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

chillwave i love you but i've chosen hipster house

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like this...does that make me bad and dirty?

I AM HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING REASONS TO INVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

chillwave i love you but i've chosen hipster house

honestly i love this stuff too, time passes, the world keepsss spinning

if the latest dominant legs 7" counts then i want to mention it itt

my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ the dominant legs track i found sounds like fairly standard indie-dance fare but maybe it's not the one you're referring to?

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like the idea of a more diy/release-heavy approach to dance music. plus, this stuff is dfa-level cheap on vinyl in the us

it's outrageously expensive by the time it gets to the UK (like £11 for a 12") but this might have something to do with Phonica and fucking Volcanic Tongue being two of the main folks carrying it

I like the Mi Ami 'Dolphins' EP a whole bunch, ditto the Ital mix for FACT, but this ish is largely out of my price range right now for the most part

the green manalishi (with the big boobies) (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

A lot of the Teengirl Fantasy album sounded really hamfistedly produced to me, even when the tunes were there, you got the sense that the producers weren't really comfortable or natural enough in their approach to the music to really take off.

Love the Talabot remix of Cheaters though. Not heard any of the rest of these guys, don't really want to.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Agree that the Teengirl Fantasy album was weak overall, especially compared with the epic Cheaters original and the John Talabot remix.

Actually, Talabot holds an interesting place in this, he links up a set of coordinates mentioned already. Especially on his XLR8R mix, which connects Tri Angle (Altered Zones fave) to 100% Silk to Permanent Vacation, for instance.

i wish some of these artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful on a club system.

I sort of agree somehow, although this is obviously the most ridiculous complaint for something like a sublabel of NNF! I actually played out a track from the Maria Minerva and it was a mess on a big system, unsurprisingly. This means that the stuff probably is geared toward live performance, rather than DJing at the moment, which is a sort of rock-ist frame, but also emerges around the cultural politics of distribution that these labels are involved with. Lo-fi as a critical stance to the free content of network culture. Now that I think of it this way, probably doesn't belong at all in the bobbins thread.

Besides all that, I have to say, what I'm constantly drawn to is how tracky a lot of this stuff is (I think that was also mentioned up thread). Maybe this is something other than Tim's hipster house definition based on the distancing effects and retro-stylistics.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm patently too dance-ist.

stirmonster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha i'm glad this stuff has been delineated here, i had no idea it was a...thing. certainly didn't know miracles club were in it - they're (she's?) the only act mentioned with a song i really love ("light of love"), i'd just assumed it was some faceless balearic re-edity dude. i like the talabot remix of teengirl fantasy too but it's not a scene that appeals in any way.

lex pretend, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Errr... is it a scene though? I feel like it might just be a thing at this point ;)

(Also, this is great):

MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

truth is i never listen to this stuff after i see the artist names

DOMINANT LEGS?

i mean, how can a single live up to a name like that?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

great thread! aside from the usual debate on nomenclature I’m into it

would bookmark

Aerosol, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's hilarious that on a website dedicated to talking about music people seem to be getting more and more allergic to actually talking about music

i mean, what's wrong with a debate on nomenclature? in chemistry, there are professors whose only job is to worry about nomenclature, and whether a new compound should be classified as being in this group or that group.

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think it's the specific nomenclature that people are trying to stave off here rather than nomenclature in general

the green manalishi (with the big boobies) (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok. why this specific nomenclature?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah it’s just LOL hipster _____ that gets everyone all shook

It’s nbd really

Aerosol, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

the lack of interest many artists itt have in mastering this stuff so that it sounds good in dance clubs is interesting to me

on one hand it does limit the potential for exposure through traditional dance channels but on the other hand doesn't it also kind of foster the kind of air of exclusivity these people are used to using to market themselves

100% silk's use of the 12" format i think is an appeal directly from collectors to collectors, the fascination with house or disco probably being sparked by collecting old music rather than by going out and hearing it in clubs, the archival activities of the internet, used record shops, and reissue campaigns usurping the role of the dj in exposing people to the music. the idea of tailoring records to the needs of DJs and club culture probably seems bizarre to them, allowing outsiders to share in the revenue streams coming from music that from the point of view of the people making it exists completely outside contemporary club culture

the name hipster house is maybe not the greatest name but i get the impression that taking this stuff out of the bobbins thread would be entirely in line with the interests of the people making it

james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

good analysis ... i think my favorite stuff is def the stuff that fits the needs of club culture, "ital's theme" and "church song" in particular

the rest of it seems sort of ... labored

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw in the church song video is that adam forkner in the white varsity jacket behind hottie owens?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I gotta say that I picked up the first two Ital 12"s because I liked the idea of where the continuation of Black Eyes --> Mi Ami --> House-ish stuff would lead. Unfortunately, I've felt a bit nonplussed. With each new release it feels like just pulling from some point in dance music's past, making the recording sound muddy/cloudy, and not really doing much else with it. So much of it feels very generic once the fuzziness is removed.

matt2, Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

a good deal of it is probably totally functional when it comes to being played loud at a party while people dance, especially in basements or DIY spaces or dive bars and places like that where the american audience for this stuff prefers to do those things

the mastering/production just makes it very incompatible with proper dance records that have been mastered to sound good in clubs on good sound systems, iirc a lot of the johnny jewel stuff had this issue too, it's very difficult to play in proper house/club sets because it just sounds v. messy and thin compared to the professional stuff

what's kind of cool to me i guess is that there's getting to be enough of the stuff that these guys could start booking themselves around as DJs and playing nothing but h****** house, never running into the problem of the music's incompatibility with proper dance culture because they operate in a completely separate niche version of it

james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost but you could say the same thing about GERJHARD RICHTER DO U SEE

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah... imo it sounds more like post-electroclash idm? like mochipet or dj donna summer or something

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 23:57 (10 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

you know i have to admit i quite like this new steve moore

http://soundcloud.com/stevemoore2600/nemesis

the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 06:38 (8 months ago) Permalink

^ this is great. i waited far too long to check out the lovelock album, but it is totally great too. he has his own thread right?

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:06 (8 months ago) Permalink

very excited about the mood hut stuff mentioned upthread btw, pacific nw represent

feels like an insult to call young marco hipster house, but hey w/e i'll run with it since others are already talking him up here. this remix from last year is going for CRAZY $$$ on the discogs, it was only a run of 100 tho and i guess it's getting a repress from rush hour soon: https://soundcloud.com/#youngmarco/tony-g-simple-dreams-young

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:23 (8 months ago) Permalink

zombi has a thread, but this doesn't really sound like zombi

are we going to need a rolling ambient synth thread this year?

the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:25 (8 months ago) Permalink

i definitely wouldn't be opposed to it. i like the knew age hippies thread but then i end up missing out on the darker spectrum spools-type stuff

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:33 (8 months ago) Permalink

i guess it would work in the IDM thread

the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:46 (8 months ago) Permalink

Steve Moore just posted about a movie he scored:

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/01/15/dan-stevens-the-guest-youre-next/

What is the IDM thread?

dan selzer, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 19:46 (8 months ago) Permalink

it's called "idm in 2014"

the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 19:51 (8 months ago) Permalink

idm in 2014

the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 19:52 (8 months ago) Permalink

'rolling golf channel 2014'

Lamp, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 20:29 (8 months ago) Permalink

that channel is so boring! a thread on it would only be more so imo.

just (Matt P), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 20:33 (8 months ago) Permalink

not as boring as idm in 2014 amirite

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 20:54 (8 months ago) Permalink

I'm down with Golf Channel IDM in 2014

dan selzer, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 21:00 (8 months ago) Permalink

i want a thread where ppl who post in this thread, balearic, and knew age just post stuff they find that they know ill like. rolling recommendations for max thread

max, Thursday, 16 January 2014 00:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

did you like SPIKE?

the late great, Thursday, 16 January 2014 00:31 (8 months ago) Permalink

max what are your thoughts on the secret circuit album

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Thursday, 16 January 2014 00:45 (8 months ago) Permalink

I'm down with Golf Channel IDM in 2014

Yes, this.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 16 January 2014 12:13 (8 months ago) Permalink

i liked them both!

max, Thursday, 16 January 2014 15:37 (8 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

buddy of mine with a new record coming out on 100% silk: https://soundcloud.com/100percentsilk/golden-donna-pale-dream-rider

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 27 February 2014 19:42 (7 months ago) Permalink


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.