is it brostep?

holy shit that weetabix commercial

I feel sorry for the DEFEND REAL DUBSTEP types not cause brostep usurped their thunder so much as cause they don't realize their music sux too.

what is "real dubstep" according to these types?

it doesn't matter.

yeah it does

nah it don't

inquiring minds want to know

It's a moving goalpost I think. There are people who defend the real dubstep of benga/skream from the rank broisms of skrillex et. al. but this strikes me as fairly narc of sd.

The cartoon is probably about people who miss the glory days of DMZ and nowadays collect Swamp 81 records.

i ask because there seem to be many def'ns of "real dubstep". is it skream? rusko? youngsta?

all are plying rather different trades these days

Agreed.

But in this sense it's not really any different to people talking about "real" house / techno / jungle / trance etc.

Perhaps a sign of a genre's maturity when this happens. A bit scary to think that the first officially-designated "dubstep" mix (that I'm aware of) is now almost 10 years old.

dubstep allstars 1?

Kode9 did a mix just called "Dubstep" I think in early 2002 - the follow-up to the excellent "21st Century Skank" mix which was dubstep avant la lettre.

DA1 came out in 2004.

That was back when people were still talking about "yardcore" and "nu-dark swing" et. al.

first use of the term?

"dark garage"

http://www.udubstep.com/the-history-of-dubstep/

They don't mention the mix but do refer to Kode9's radio show at that time.

Tim is right that the DRD kru carries various banners, but I seem to hear a lot of "Fuck Skrillex, I listen to Shackleton!", who is alright and all but zzzzzz

see that's interesting to me because i don't even think of shackleton as dubstep!

Well he's not really any more. Obv he was totally dubstep on his early releases.

One of the issues here as well is that you get a lot of people who have gotten on board with dubstep since 2008 or so and then have worked backwards to the earlier stuff so when they talk in hushed tones about Loefah and Mala they're like to be talking about "Anti-War Dub" or w/e rather than 2011 material.

In much the same way that people getting into dubstep circa 2005 were talking in hushed tones about Steve Gurley and El-B.

The difference being that the official history of dubstep has been so thoroughly prepared and documented (take a bow blackdown!) that a neophyte can pretty quickly get a historical perspective on earlier dubstep without missing the point entirely.

I haven't really heard Shackleton's recent material, but yeah, he was totally dubstep at least at one point.

People I heard associated w/dubstep, not pre-dubstep per se (like Horsepower Productions):

Various, Digital Mystikz, Loefah, Mala, Coki, Benga, Distance, Hatcha, Skream

Honestly, anyone who had a name ending in "a" and I kind of felt embarrassed about saying their name, but I'm north american.

Shackleton's always been "post-dubstep" or at least outer reaches. After crossing w/other material he veered off, imo.

"Roots of Dubstep":
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Ammunition-And-Blackdown-Present-The-Roots-Of-Dubstep/release/776211

Shackleton's always been "post-dubstep" or at least outer reaches.

Why would Shackleton's early material be any more "outer reaches" than, say, Mala?

I mean if the definition of dubstep is basically Benga/Skream/Distance, then, sure, but at that point I think my narc of sd point seriously applies vis a vis Skrillex etc.

But in this sense it's not really any different to people talking about "real" house / techno / jungle / trance etc.

or punk/rap/whatever the fuck else

start @ 4:28 for some troo broness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAOfu9_ZPBc

er, 4:26

(sorta NSFW)

I guess I might be extrapolating Shackleton's later stuff to his early ones. He kind of had the Mordant Music thing, then the Shackleton/Appleblim Skull Disco roadshow, right?

I mostly know him for his Skull Disco stuff.

so i was at the punk rock pizza shop, and looking at all the fliers on the wall, and buried in amongst 1000s of indie / punk / hardcore shows and 100s of indie / electro / hip hop i see two lonely DUBSTEP nights, both at the same club, a place on the edge of downtown popular with yelpers and style bloggers that programs "hip hop / reggae / funk / soul" or "indie / electro" or "house / tech house" every other night of the month.

the first crew is called SNIPAZ

the second crew is called MAYHEM

which do i go see?

SNIPAZ will prob have more girls & ppl on drugs but MAYHEM will prob be more of a spectacle

Someone put Shackleton over that "Sorry For Partying" vid.

a lot of the songs on this thread weren't on spotify, but here is a brostep playlist: http://bit.ly/rk0QC1
enjoy, bros. also what ever you do do not listen to the pandora dubstep station.

Thanks! I've been trying to recreate some chainsaw/brostep sounds in Reason as an experiment, and it's harder than it sounds. Some of those wobs are really tricky to pull off.

Last weekend, I dl'd a bunch of 2005-2011 era dubstep tracks off of the ilm "dubstep" thread. Then I dl'd Skrillex's BBC Essential Mix. Then I took them both out on some long car trips I had to take this week anyway. This helped immeasurably improve the dubstep experience for me because on my previous attempts to listen to it, I had just been listening through laptop speakers and those obviously don't capture the bass.

I liked them both well enough. There were a few places where Skrillex went off into real corny territory. I had done my best to get myself into the frame of mind of my 19-year-old self though, and from that perspective it felt like Christmas. It doesn't strike me as being terribly far off from Daft Punk or Underworld as far as enormous, mass-appeal dance music goes.

The "actual" dubstep I picked up was a mixture of different styles, from moody, atmospheric stuff to brash, noisy, dancehall-ish kinda numbers. Some of it had a lot of spirit, some of it was intensely boring. Based on what I've heard so far, I don't think that I prefer it to most of the drum n bass I was listening to back in the 90s.

much of the dubstep I picked up was straight from this list:

dubstep

I had done my best to get myself into the frame of mind of my 19-year-old self though, and from that perspective it felt like Christmas. It doesn't strike me as being terribly far off from Daft Punk or Underworld as far as enormous, mass-appeal dance music goes.

totally agree. And tbh I rather wide eyed 'filthy bass' brostep kids to the angry hardcore 'mosh' kids that were everywhere when I was a teenager.

ohhhhh, but they're definitely moshing to brostep :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea_8gyCeXbw

poor attempts at moshing

for the most part, moshing has always been poor attempts at moshing. oblivious me thought that everybody would be over moshing now in 2011.

one would have hoped

psh says y'all

Nero totally fucked up "Crush On You" as my dope rediscovered 80s pop song of the year. :/

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/remaining-doors-members-record-with-skrillex-for-new-documentary-20111006

i

..can't

amazing

So I dunno why it took me this long, but Justice were a huge influence on this stuff, right?

yeah, I'm hearing some French house production technique in some of it

The first wave of carpetbagging dubstep producers were mostly escaping the death of DnB, the second wave were almost all people getting out of the ass end of electrohouse.

I'm guessing Skrillex is the latter, what with the hair and the "complextro" or whatever he calls it.

I find all of this pretty fun and non threatening really, when I was 19 I liked breakcore. Could totally see myself being into Skrillex if I was 19 too.

i can see being 19 but i know mostly late 20's / early 30's into it. eh, breakcore's fine.

everything about this from visual to track to comments apropos lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbPjiJ-4jMA

When Darkness Falls

1. Protocol X - Our Storm
2. Vex'd - Thunder
3. Distance - Koncrete
4. Emalkay - Gut Feeling
5. SPL - Lust
6. Lone Wolf - The Plague
7. Scarecrow - Snakes And Ladders
8. Aaron Spectre - Music is the Weapon
9. King Cannibal - Aragami Style
10. Milanese - Sight beyond Sight
11. Toasty - The Knowledge (vexd rmx)
12. Coki - Spongebob
13. 16Bit - Chainsaw Calligraphy
14. Reso - Armored Core
15. Skrillex - Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites
16. Noisia - Alpha Centauri (Excision & Datsik remix)
17. Pendulum - The Island (Statelapse Remix)
18. Plan B - The Recluse (Nero Remix)