oh yeah, i dunno if elite gymnastics fully qualifies as hipster-house but they're in that ballpark i think.
it might just be a good idea to lump all DIS magazine stuff into "hipster-house"
― fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
but yeah i really like the two valet records, and the last song on the 2nd album definitely hints at this direction
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
a lot of this stuff just reeeeeeeeeeeeks of portland
i guess someone who used to be in glass candy is involved w/that, to make the connection to idib even more obvious
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
feel like first-wave IDIB is absolutely the antecedent of 100% silk in every applicable sense, johnny jewel from glass candy started out making noise/drone as twenty-six and iirc used to brag in interviews about palling around with wolf eyes, pretty much blazing the trail from noise/lo-fi to dance that many of the people named itt are currently following
easy to look at 100% silk as filling the void IDIB left when glass candy and chromatics went on hiatus and the label mostly just put out nu-disco 12s that could have just as easily come out on dfa or permanent vacation, wouldn't be surprised if that's how they saw themselves, glass candy and jewel's solo "mystery producer" mirage singles seem like the template for so much of it
― james brooks, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess to some extent the early dfa connections to no wave / black dice / six finger sattelite are the beginnings of this template, and i have no doubts that you could reach much further back than that if you wanted to.
but yeah, james brooks otm
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
another thing that had me torn is when i read about ital's production technique
part of me is like whoa, that's really cool, but part of me is like, why? and then all of me answers its because someone spent a lot of time in critique sessions talking about *process*
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
where did you read about that? i am curious (he kept deliberately unplugging the cord from the headphone jack at the aforementioned show, aiming for sooome type of effect i presume but it sounded awful and everyone was just sorta confused)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
what's his production technique like?
― Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Surely 100% Silk is the house to IDIB's disco? The Silk stuff is far more trackier. And I'm just going to throw in the Invisible Conga People are easily my favourite act from this axis.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ital's production technique is discussed here: http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.com/podcast/lwe-podcast-97-ital/
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think IDIB is more connected to 70s and 80s disco and early house/techno, whereas this stuff is a further rooted in the 90s when house and techno were more established.
That video for Miracles Club "Church Song" looks so much fun, one for the "videos I want to live inside of" thread. It was the song I was dancing around my kitchen too a few weeks ago when I accidentally broke a glass and stood on it, so now it has a bittersweet connotation for me.
Can we also join the dots between this stuff and: "My Girls"; Delorean; Sincerely Yours (the record label); John Talabot?
― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
alexis blair penney is worth checking out too- pretty embedded in the aunt charlies queen scene in sf, most of her album is being produced by teengirl fantasy, this remix is p nice imo
fellow ilxor sanfrandisco is working with her on something too (hope it's ok to mention that!)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wish some of these artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful on a club system.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i mean i didn't mean to imply that 100% silk was just a rote continuation of the exact music IDIB started out releasing, more just like picking up the ball that IDIB sorta dropped when they turned into a comparatively standard-issue nu-disco/edits label
always got the sense that glass candy/chromatics really resisted any attempts to be connected to the larger context of what else was going on in music at the time, refusing for example to allow official remixes or cooperate with warp or dfa or any of the other labels that were absolutely pursuing them
sorta feel like maybe anyone who was a fan of theirs that followed that worldview would have valued not the fact that they referenced disco but that they approached dance music in general from a point of view that was more in line with the ethos of noise/punk/DIY music than anything people actually played in clubs
like to think of 100% silk as those people, who maybe always assumed IDIB would continue to explore that approach and follow the natural progression of influences from 80's disco to 90's house, and ended up deciding to do it themselves once it became clear IDIB wasn't ever going to get around to it
― james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I didn't meant to suggest otherwise - just to point out how 100% provide a continuum in more than just one way.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's probably deliberate in some examples but that doesn't make this point any less valid
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wish all artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful full stop
― the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah absolutely, amanda brown even sounds enough like ida no on some of those recent la vampires collaborative EPs that they almost function as elseworlds alternate universe glass candy singles that plug different influences into the same basic approach for kicks
― james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm actually a little hesitant to almost dismiss stuff like the artists on 100% Silk with a name like "hipster house" (not that that was necessarily the intention here)... that area involves your more psych-y/post-drone types... who for my take tend to be a little more involved and experimental than the usual "LOLindies-going-____".
besides, the psychedelic tendency to mess with the form is a way things can mutate and evolve, so I'm kinda feeling it, actually. Maria Minerva is one of my favorite things out there right now
― Chris S, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
those maria minerva releases sound a lot like nite jewel with worse recording equipment
i think a lot of ppl in this thread (me too obv) are 'feeling it', so i do apologize for a potentially pejorative term. but it is effective, no?
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
throwing a dash of the h-word in the title of any thread is a proven recipe for getting a lot posts
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well "The indie end of the noise spectrum having a go at house thread" is a bit banal for a title.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really like the magic touch 12", but i am a huge jonas reinhardt fan so
― the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know and have had pleasant, friendly interactions with a lot of these ppl so i can only hope the term wouldn't piss them off (it probably would to a degree but it's all in the name of META). i *do* want this stuff to take off tho because it is one of the only things i care much about in the musical world of pdx (besides mississippi records of course)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think the point I was trying to make in my earlier post (quoted in the question for this thread) is that this stuff codes as "hipster" in ways that I'm almost tempted to call objective - rather than the kind of pedigree-based "oh this person is a poser"/"lolindie" implication of the word which can only ever be relational to the speaker.
Objective significations of hipsterism in this material:
1) faux-period sleeve art;
2) faux-period monikers (not "Teengirl Fantasy" which is hipster in a different way, but definitely "100% Silk", "Miracles Club", "Magic Touch", "Ital"); and
3) notwithstanding (1) and (2), an air (sonically and discursively) of distance from the very things that (1) and (2) mimic, not superiority or even necessarily straight sonic differentiation, rather a sense that the original artifact is defined by its aura of inacessibility and unreproduceability - a time of lost innocence etc. etc.
basically 100% Silk : early house :: Stereolab : space age bachelor pad music.
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
its okay to be a hipster guys
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, for sure, guess I just wanted to note the distinction since I'm see a lot of merit in some of the stuff, and 'hipster' does have its connotations... but yeah I see where you're coming from. xxxxpost
― Chris S, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't mind being a hipster! I just like to break down how the term works in particular cases b/c it's got a million different meanings.
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Especially considering it's broadest meaning is basically people younger than the speaker who aren't bogans.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
said elsewhere on ilx, but I kind of know one of these dudes
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
you know a hipster?
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
'this stuff was covered already on the chillwave thread' - some annoyed msgbrdr
― my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
chillwave i love you but i've chosen hipster house
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like this...does that make me bad and dirty?
― I AM HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING REASONS TO INVEST IN YOUR BUSINESS (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
honestly i love this stuff too, time passes, the world keepsss spinning
if the latest dominant legs 7" counts then i want to mention it itt
― my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ the dominant legs track i found sounds like fairly standard indie-dance fare but maybe it's not the one you're referring to?
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like the idea of a more diy/release-heavy approach to dance music. plus, this stuff is dfa-level cheap on vinyl in the us
it's outrageously expensive by the time it gets to the UK (like £11 for a 12") but this might have something to do with Phonica and fucking Volcanic Tongue being two of the main folks carrying it
I like the Mi Ami 'Dolphins' EP a whole bunch, ditto the Ital mix for FACT, but this ish is largely out of my price range right now for the most part
― the green manalishi (with the big boobies) (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
A lot of the Teengirl Fantasy album sounded really hamfistedly produced to me, even when the tunes were there, you got the sense that the producers weren't really comfortable or natural enough in their approach to the music to really take off.
Love the Talabot remix of Cheaters though. Not heard any of the rest of these guys, don't really want to.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Agree that the Teengirl Fantasy album was weak overall, especially compared with the epic Cheaters original and the John Talabot remix.
Actually, Talabot holds an interesting place in this, he links up a set of coordinates mentioned already. Especially on his XLR8R mix, which connects Tri Angle (Altered Zones fave) to 100% Silk to Permanent Vacation, for instance.
I sort of agree somehow, although this is obviously the most ridiculous complaint for something like a sublabel of NNF! I actually played out a track from the Maria Minerva and it was a mess on a big system, unsurprisingly. This means that the stuff probably is geared toward live performance, rather than DJing at the moment, which is a sort of rock-ist frame, but also emerges around the cultural politics of distribution that these labels are involved with. Lo-fi as a critical stance to the free content of network culture. Now that I think of it this way, probably doesn't belong at all in the bobbins thread.
Besides all that, I have to say, what I'm constantly drawn to is how tracky a lot of this stuff is (I think that was also mentioned up thread). Maybe this is something other than Tim's hipster house definition based on the distancing effects and retro-stylistics.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm patently too dance-ist.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha i'm glad this stuff has been delineated here, i had no idea it was a...thing. certainly didn't know miracles club were in it - they're (she's?) the only act mentioned with a song i really love ("light of love"), i'd just assumed it was some faceless balearic re-edity dude. i like the talabot remix of teengirl fantasy too but it's not a scene that appeals in any way.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Errr... is it a scene though? I feel like it might just be a thing at this point ;)
(Also, this is great):
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
truth is i never listen to this stuff after i see the artist names
i mean, how can a single live up to a name like that?
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
great thread! aside from the usual debate on nomenclature I’m into it
― Aerosol, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's hilarious that on a website dedicated to talking about music people seem to be getting more and more allergic to actually talking about music
i mean, what's wrong with a debate on nomenclature? in chemistry, there are professors whose only job is to worry about nomenclature, and whether a new compound should be classified as being in this group or that group.
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Really feeling that Holly Herndon album, it's like the Laurel Halo one if it was as easy to listen to as it is to admire.
― boxedjoy, Monday, 26 November 2012 10:47 (6 months ago) Permalink
i found that laurel halo album unbelievably disappointing so maybe ms herndon is the lass for me
― monotony, Monday, 26 November 2012 13:14 (6 months ago) Permalink
laurel halo album is so bad lol
― flopson, Monday, 26 November 2012 16:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
I really don't understand Ital; either of the releases this year. I kind of want to though... It does really nothing for me :-/
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:05 (6 months ago) Permalink
not feeling the minimal vocal pieces i've hear4d from that herndon record, it sounds like someone playing around with ableton pitch-shift in a really unadorned and unappealing way.
Ital is great. i really like the analog texture, and the sense of hardware machines interacting and not being quantized together (whether or not he actually uses hardware & tape, i don't know).
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:25 (6 months ago) Permalink
I heard it's all done in Audacity (a bit like Burial), which is formidable if true, but I'm just not sure I can get my head around the aesthetic. The idea of it being house you can't dance to, or home-listening electronica that sounds like dance music, well it frustrates me. I guess there's loads of music that could come under this banner, but the Ital albums seem like they've been purposefully created to be jarring in a lot of ways and it just comes off unpleasant. I can neither dance around to it nor space out and enjoy the sounds. That said I have a feeling it's perhaps a matter of things "clicking" into place for me.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:37 (6 months ago) Permalink
i really like this octo octa from earlier this year: http://soundcloud.com/mixmag-1/octo-octa-oh-love
― jabba hands, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
dog that surprises me cause aren't you like mr idm?!?
― the late great, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:54 (6 months ago) Permalink
ital is great, im not really into the new one atm but wtvr
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 30 November 2012 16:55 (6 months ago) Permalink
I saw Holly Herndon perform last night. I don't know if I'd group it with this discussion/hipster house, if we were to define hipster house as having distinct CHICAGO references/genesis. More of a someone coming out of experimental type stuff into a minimal thing. I suppose you could group her with this if you want, but at this point every new band has some sort of 4/4 dance thing going on, so that definition would get pretty loose.
Her set was cut short however because Large Professor and RZA wanted to go on. Also performing was Driphouse, Forma and Mas Ysa. It was some sort of clusterfuck in the financial district thrown so the Motherboard blog/site of/from Vice could celebrate itself. Large Prof wasn't billed so that was a weird surprise.
― dan selzer, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:39 (6 months ago) Permalink
Sounds like a strange event! Great artists though.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:30 (6 months ago) Permalink
yea i didn't really feel like starting a 'holly herndon' thread so i brought it up here. i guess mostly because she embodies that experimental music / house music dichotomy. but loads of music does that so w/e
we should make a thread where we can talk about newer east coast stuff on labels like rvng or l.i.e.s. or even (to tempt fate) pittsburgh track authority
i made a future times thread but it never really caught on
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Saturday, 1 December 2012 02:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
i wonder would jamal moss fit in that thread too?
― the late great, Saturday, 1 December 2012 04:16 (6 months ago) Permalink
I almost brought this up before but figured it'd open a can of worms and maybe I'd get shit for it, but maybe I can coin another genre (if you recall I'm partially responsible for "beardo") and suggest simply post-house. To me, it makes a lot of sense. As something of a post-punk expert, I'm often explaining the obvious and less obvious sources of that term, generally you're talking about people coming out of punk and pushing it's envelope with these other influences (disco, funk, dub, krautrock, prog mostly), but the term later came to also describe acts that existed along with punk, and even before it. So wrap your brain around a concept like calling Pere Ubu or Television "post-punk" when, in an earlier and more obvious history, they are bands that helped invent punk, but in hindsight and in consideration of the "sound" of punk and the associations of post-punk, that makes sense.
So....post-house describes people coming out of conventional dance contexts and bringing in other influences (noise, krautrock/cosmische) etc, or acts coming from other genres into dance music and bringing their baggage. Now this brings up another discussion, which goes back to the beginnings of this thread, about authenticity (in sound). Someone coming out of post-punk/indie-rock or whatever making dance music that easily slotted into the mainstream of underground dance music, even while bending the form a little bit, wouldn't necessarily fit, but if they don't slot in easily, either because they're not competent enough to perfectly emulate chicago/detroit/etc(which is not a bad thing!) or because they bring something else to the table altogether different, then they do.
So a lot of the nu-disco stuff of the 2000s for instance, I wouldn't call "post-house" because they were producers reworking/reintroducing past dance forms...stretching the envelope a bit at times, reviving sounds, mixing up styles etc, but not breaking the mold.
Of course a lot of the stuff we've discussed in this thread fit that idea. I haven't heard enough of it all and don't like naming names anyway, and we discussed this when the thread started, but there's people emulating in a purely revival sound, and there's stuff that is something else alltogether...often they're the same labels, the same people, even the same 12", so who wants to bother breaking all that down.
Am I making any sense or is that just stupid? It makes sense to me. Of course we can all say "why bother trying to label anything, man" but you know what, it's fun and some of us get off on these kinds of discussions and if you don't, you can ignore or disagree but don't bother saying "don't label us bro" because you're gonna get labeled and maybe it's best to own it. In any case, a term like Post-House, as in post-punk, is not a value judgement but an understanding of shifts and trends.
I'm sorry, I don't really care this much, just rambling on putting off doing some other stuff, like making some post-house.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 1 December 2012 05:02 (6 months ago) Permalink
and let me beat anyone to the punch by saying, I've got your Post-House right here...
― dan selzer, Saturday, 1 December 2012 05:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
if you recall I'm partially responsible for "beardo"
new name up for grabs
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 1 December 2012 07:43 (6 months ago) Permalink
― the late great, Saturday, 1 December 2012 07:58 (6 months ago) Permalink
'Post house' makes sense, especially when applied to Ital. TLG - i agree it's strange I should be making these complaints as an IDM head, but somehow I have trouble mapping this stuff onto the same values as Warp-style artists. This record is shamblingly scruffy in every way - sometimes it stumbles into the sublime, but more often keels over into incompetency. Most of the time it walks this tightrope over both of them.In a way I guess this guy is approaching noise music from a dance perspective, a bit like Black Dice have more recently doing vice versa. But I'm just having trouble parsing it - I should like it on these terms, but there's just something unpleasant and sickly, maybe something about the overall frequency of the record (lots of grainy midrange) that I seem to have an aversion to.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Saturday, 1 December 2012 09:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
live right now #!
― caek, Friday, 15 February 2013 06:52 (4 months ago) Permalink
Teengirl Fantasy live tonight at the Brooklyn Museum of Art. Also the hipster disco band Midnight Magic and the hipster DJ Dan Selzer. Also custom nail art inspired by work in the museum. Sponsored by hipster online "radio" station VIva Radio.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 16 May 2013 14:11 (1 month ago) Permalink
That reminds me, this track:
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:22 (1 month ago) Permalink
I dig some of the Pharaohs stuff. I think one ep on ESP? Speaking of which, my favorite new school house/techno dude somewhat of this ilk is Young Marco. Maybe I mentioned that already. 2 12"s I think on ESP, he's the house designer for Rush Hour I think? His stuff has that pretty techno vibe I love.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:30 (1 month ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, that Young Marco mix is really great from the mixes thread.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:33 (1 month ago) Permalink
Yeah it's amazing. The Boiler Room set is cool too.
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:35 (1 month ago) Permalink
This has been my retro house jam recently:
(Longer album version on Spotify is even better)
― scintilla (seandalai), Thursday, 16 May 2013 16:05 (1 month ago) Permalink
the coyote cleanup album is pretty good, silk fans. stream here:
― ... (LocalGarda), Friday, 17 May 2013 13:42 (1 month ago) Permalink
new octo octa streaming : D
― cholo naco y super gallo (wolves lacan), Monday, 20 May 2013 14:43 (1 month ago) Permalink
Really enjoyed the Pharaohs album while walking home from work in the sun today.
― boxedjoy, Monday, 20 May 2013 22:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
alex burkat tarot ep is nice
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 14 June 2013 06:32 (6 days ago) Permalink