teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

selective c&p-ing from the bobbins thread:

I'm posting this here, rather than the NNF thread: 100% Silk Mix for Wow Magazine.

01. I Can Feel the Heat - MAGIC TOUCH
02. What?? - PHARAOHS
03. High Reflection - OCTO OCTA
04. Wet Devil - SFV ACID
05. Milk N Honey - SIR STEPHEN
06. Queens - ITAL
07. Shadow Disco - INNERGAZE
08. Kyrie Eleison - MARIA MINERVA
09. Trickle - CUTICLE
10. I - GILLETTE

Kind of wish it was actually beat-mixed, rather than crossfaded one track to another, but still offers a nice overview of the label.

― MikoMcha, Tuesday, October 4, 2011 5:11 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Really feeling the Octo Octa EP, even if Ciara vocal samples have well and truly been done to death.

― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Tuesday, October 4, 2011 2:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

have almost started a hipster house thread sooo many times cause i duno where to talk about 100% silk, miracles club, xander harris and all the other noise ppl that jumped on this trend

new mi ami stuff and the solo magic touch/ital releases are great if you have a tolerance for this type of thing

― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:01 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark

The funny thing is that 100% Silk et. al. most definitely give off this vibe of hipster something, but i'm not sure if it's more because of their outsidery status or the fact that their revivalism has that crucial sense of artifact-fetishism, or somehow those two things intertwining with each other, or...

But in this and several other senses they're basically 2011's IDIB, right?

― Tim F, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:57 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i AM feeling stuff like ITAL but like delia & gavin or whatnot it doesn't really "work" in a techno / house set except in the loosest way

i think it is *related* to house and techno but distinct enough that it might deserve a different thread

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 3:21 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark

this has been going on for a few years now, especially in the 20 jazz funk greats / altered zones sphere of influence, but it seems to be making some serious inroads on the west coast in the last year or so (tho i guess i can only speak to this wrt sf and portland): former noise artists and others with post-indie sensibilities picking up drum machines and taking a stab at house and techno. this stuff ranges from more primitive/diffuse experimentation like cuticle and the deeep, to 80s horror-sdtk influenced stuff like steve moore and xander harris, to acid house revivalism like miracles club and soft metals, to futuristic piano house cuts by ital, magic touch and octo octa.

100% silk is an offshoot of not not fun records, and both are based out of la, so i'm thinking it probably has some influence down there too. also oberlin seems to have something to do with all this, at least in the form of merok records / teengirl fantasy / blondes. and something about me wants to throw dc stuff like the l.i.e.s. and future times labels into all this, but that stuff seems to be accepted as more 'legit' within the dance community for some reason? i definitely agree with what tim was talking about, how it absolutely comes off as 'hipstery' but the reasons why are hard to pin down

anyways, let's keep this out of bobbins cause it is definitely it's own 'thing'

beat it with that hipster trash

lol.

here are some youtubes for reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16WuhaSSIPo&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSU1b0ZSyNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzxvOgcGLmk&ob=av2n

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaBhZ1jr_M4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxhgua6K6A&feature=related

xps

There's been some talk on the Not Not Fun thread as well. It's pretty easy to draw lines from say other acts on NNF to the house-inflected material, also some of the projects Gavin Russom has been involved in (Black Meteoric Star, No Fun Acid). Most of the time it seems to be noise/avant artists trying their hand at dance rather than dance artists trying their hand at noise, which is I guess why it codes as "hipster" and a lot of it would sound odd in a club.

I haven't kept up with all the 100% Silk releases, but "Ital's Theme" is a track I've been playing a lot recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUbNXO7_CGA

i dunno man but that octo octa sleeve is gorgeous.

i like the idea of a more diy/release-heavy approach to dance music. plus, this stuff is dfa-level cheap on vinyl in the us

and yeah, gavin russom to thread for sure. pictureplane probably belong here someplace too

these dudes opened for optimo in sf recently and a good time was had by all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iWvj4UQ8zQ

(miami dolphins GET IT???)

Wouldn't Pictureplane be a bit too silly (that's a description not a diss) and indebted to stuff like rave and jungle for this group?

Also, some of these artists aren't just releasing hipster house - the Xander Harris album is standard NNF tropical Italo dub iirc.

the XH album is like that for sure but the single on 100% silk is different and pretty rad imo. and yes pictureplane is p silly, it's probably useful to establish some boundaries here lol

ha ha ha imagine someone saying "standard tropical italo dub" in 1994

i see a few connections to IDIB but i see the real spiritual successor to IDIB in soft metals. this stuff is a little more out there. anyways, here is my favorite hipster-house song and video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2_6qL0GZrE

whiney is gonna frickin hate it

nice t-shirt

(^ that ital track is posted upthread too, with sexy 100% silk jacket. when i saw him live he introduced it with "here's a little something i wrote for you guys..." or something along those lines)

for whatever reason the progression of honey owens is v interesting to me and telling of this scene in general: starts out in experimental noise collective jackie o motherfucker, moves on to ethereal droney stuff as valet, then decides to cover mr fingers tunes as miracles club

xp - my point was just that some of these artists have a dilettantish approach to house material, they only sometimes put on their house hat.

yea everything about this thread is whiney bait tbf

yeah daniel martin-mccormick has a cool progression too. i still like mi ami the best but his ital detour is pretty fun

hmmm i don't want to diss a female electronic artist but imho honey owens getting into mr fingers tunes might be down to the adam forkner connection, he's been doing synth-heavy stuff for like 5 years now

valet >>> miracles club, too

speaking of valet, nobody replied to this: honey owens / adam forkner free folk power couple appreciation thread

idk i was asking forkner at what the heck fest about house/techno/if he djed at all and he pretty much avoided the question, then proceeded to stand behind the dj booth all night at the local bar where some k-rec's ppl were djing, twiddling knobs and acting v interested (and i recently saw that him and calvin johnson are starting to do some dance night at holocene together wtf). he's doing 90s rnb revival stuff as purple and green now tho, which is interesting for different reasons (also the singer is amazing)

oh yeah, i dunno if elite gymnastics fully qualifies as hipster-house but they're in that ballpark i think.

it might just be a good idea to lump all DIS magazine stuff into "hipster-house"

but yeah i really like the two valet records, and the last song on the 2nd album definitely hints at this direction

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hC8MOYoYQk

err...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hC8MOYoYQk

a lot of this stuff just reeeeeeeeeeeeks of portland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmV31r6-IW8

i guess someone who used to be in glass candy is involved w/that, to make the connection to idib even more obvious

feel like first-wave IDIB is absolutely the antecedent of 100% silk in every applicable sense, johnny jewel from glass candy started out making noise/drone as twenty-six and iirc used to brag in interviews about palling around with wolf eyes, pretty much blazing the trail from noise/lo-fi to dance that many of the people named itt are currently following

easy to look at 100% silk as filling the void IDIB left when glass candy and chromatics went on hiatus and the label mostly just put out nu-disco 12s that could have just as easily come out on dfa or permanent vacation, wouldn't be surprised if that's how they saw themselves, glass candy and jewel's solo "mystery producer" mirage singles seem like the template for so much of it

i guess to some extent the early dfa connections to no wave / black dice / six finger sattelite are the beginnings of this template, and i have no doubts that you could reach much further back than that if you wanted to.

but yeah, james brooks otm

another thing that had me torn is when i read about ital's production technique

part of me is like whoa, that's really cool, but part of me is like, why? and then all of me answers its because someone spent a lot of time in critique sessions talking about *process*

where did you read about that? i am curious (he kept deliberately unplugging the cord from the headphone jack at the aforementioned show, aiming for sooome type of effect i presume but it sounded awful and everyone was just sorta confused)

what's his production technique like?

Surely 100% Silk is the house to IDIB's disco? The Silk stuff is far more trackier. And I'm just going to throw in the Invisible Conga People are easily my favourite act from this axis.

Ital's production technique is discussed here: http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.com/podcast/lwe-podcast-97-ital/

I think IDIB is more connected to 70s and 80s disco and early house/techno, whereas this stuff is a further rooted in the 90s when house and techno were more established.

That video for Miracles Club "Church Song" looks so much fun, one for the "videos I want to live inside of" thread. It was the song I was dancing around my kitchen too a few weeks ago when I accidentally broke a glass and stood on it, so now it has a bittersweet connotation for me.

Can we also join the dots between this stuff and: "My Girls"; Delorean; Sincerely Yours (the record label); John Talabot?

alexis blair penney is worth checking out too- pretty embedded in the aunt charlies queen scene in sf, most of her album is being produced by teengirl fantasy, this remix is p nice imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5gBd4YN8eQ

fellow ilxor sanfrandisco is working with her on something too (hope it's ok to mention that!)

i wish some of these artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful on a club system.

yeah i mean i didn't mean to imply that 100% silk was just a rote continuation of the exact music IDIB started out releasing, more just like picking up the ball that IDIB sorta dropped when they turned into a comparatively standard-issue nu-disco/edits label

always got the sense that glass candy/chromatics really resisted any attempts to be connected to the larger context of what else was going on in music at the time, refusing for example to allow official remixes or cooperate with warp or dfa or any of the other labels that were absolutely pursuing them

sorta feel like maybe anyone who was a fan of theirs that followed that worldview would have valued not the fact that they referenced disco but that they approached dance music in general from a point of view that was more in line with the ethos of noise/punk/DIY music than anything people actually played in clubs

like to think of 100% silk as those people, who maybe always assumed IDIB would continue to explore that approach and follow the natural progression of influences from 80's disco to 90's house, and ended up deciding to do it themselves once it became clear IDIB wasn't ever going to get around to it

I didn't meant to suggest otherwise - just to point out how 100% provide a continuum in more than just one way.

i wish some of these artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful on a club system.

it's probably deliberate in some examples but that doesn't make this point any less valid

i wish all artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful full stop

yeah absolutely, amanda brown even sounds enough like ida no on some of those recent la vampires collaborative EPs that they almost function as elseworlds alternate universe glass candy singles that plug different influences into the same basic approach for kicks

I'm actually a little hesitant to almost dismiss stuff like the artists on 100% Silk with a name like "hipster house" (not that that was necessarily the intention here)... that area involves your more psych-y/post-drone types... who for my take tend to be a little more involved and experimental than the usual "LOLindies-going-____".

besides, the psychedelic tendency to mess with the form is a way things can mutate and evolve, so I'm kinda feeling it, actually. Maria Minerva is one of my favorite things out there right now

those maria minerva releases sound a lot like nite jewel with worse recording equipment

i think a lot of ppl in this thread (me too obv) are 'feeling it', so i do apologize for a potentially pejorative term. but it is effective, no?

throwing a dash of the h-word in the title of any thread is a proven recipe for getting a lot posts

Well "The indie end of the noise spectrum having a go at house thread" is a bit banal for a title.

i really like the magic touch 12", but i am a huge jonas reinhardt fan so

i know and have had pleasant, friendly interactions with a lot of these ppl so i can only hope the term wouldn't piss them off (it probably would to a degree but it's all in the name of META). i *do* want this stuff to take off tho because it is one of the only things i care much about in the musical world of pdx (besides mississippi records of course)

i think the point I was trying to make in my earlier post (quoted in the question for this thread) is that this stuff codes as "hipster" in ways that I'm almost tempted to call objective - rather than the kind of pedigree-based "oh this person is a poser"/"lolindie" implication of the word which can only ever be relational to the speaker.

Objective significations of hipsterism in this material:

1) faux-period sleeve art;

2) faux-period monikers (not "Teengirl Fantasy" which is hipster in a different way, but definitely "100% Silk", "Miracles Club", "Magic Touch", "Ital"); and

3) notwithstanding (1) and (2), an air (sonically and discursively) of distance from the very things that (1) and (2) mimic, not superiority or even necessarily straight sonic differentiation, rather a sense that the original artifact is defined by its aura of inacessibility and unreproduceability - a time of lost innocence etc. etc.

basically 100% Silk : early house :: Stereolab : space age bachelor pad music.

http://images.hhv.de/catalog/old_detail/00247/247914.jpg

its okay to be a hipster guys

yeah, for sure, guess I just wanted to note the distinction since I'm see a lot of merit in some of the stuff, and 'hipster' does have its connotations... but yeah I see where you're coming from. xxxxpost

Sounds like a strange event! Great artists though.

yea i didn't really feel like starting a 'holly herndon' thread so i brought it up here. i guess mostly because she embodies that experimental music / house music dichotomy. but loads of music does that so w/e

we should make a thread where we can talk about newer east coast stuff on labels like rvng or l.i.e.s. or even (to tempt fate) pittsburgh track authority

i made a future times thread but it never really caught on

i wonder would jamal moss fit in that thread too?

I almost brought this up before but figured it'd open a can of worms and maybe I'd get shit for it, but maybe I can coin another genre (if you recall I'm partially responsible for "beardo") and suggest simply post-house. To me, it makes a lot of sense. As something of a post-punk expert, I'm often explaining the obvious and less obvious sources of that term, generally you're talking about people coming out of punk and pushing it's envelope with these other influences (disco, funk, dub, krautrock, prog mostly), but the term later came to also describe acts that existed along with punk, and even before it. So wrap your brain around a concept like calling Pere Ubu or Television "post-punk" when, in an earlier and more obvious history, they are bands that helped invent punk, but in hindsight and in consideration of the "sound" of punk and the associations of post-punk, that makes sense.

So....post-house describes people coming out of conventional dance contexts and bringing in other influences (noise, krautrock/cosmische) etc, or acts coming from other genres into dance music and bringing their baggage. Now this brings up another discussion, which goes back to the beginnings of this thread, about authenticity (in sound). Someone coming out of post-punk/indie-rock or whatever making dance music that easily slotted into the mainstream of underground dance music, even while bending the form a little bit, wouldn't necessarily fit, but if they don't slot in easily, either because they're not competent enough to perfectly emulate chicago/detroit/etc(which is not a bad thing!) or because they bring something else to the table altogether different, then they do.

So a lot of the nu-disco stuff of the 2000s for instance, I wouldn't call "post-house" because they were producers reworking/reintroducing past dance forms...stretching the envelope a bit at times, reviving sounds, mixing up styles etc, but not breaking the mold.

Of course a lot of the stuff we've discussed in this thread fit that idea. I haven't heard enough of it all and don't like naming names anyway, and we discussed this when the thread started, but there's people emulating in a purely revival sound, and there's stuff that is something else alltogether...often they're the same labels, the same people, even the same 12", so who wants to bother breaking all that down.

Am I making any sense or is that just stupid? It makes sense to me. Of course we can all say "why bother trying to label anything, man" but you know what, it's fun and some of us get off on these kinds of discussions and if you don't, you can ignore or disagree but don't bother saying "don't label us bro" because you're gonna get labeled and maybe it's best to own it. In any case, a term like Post-House, as in post-punk, is not a value judgement but an understanding of shifts and trends.

I'm sorry, I don't really care this much, just rambling on putting off doing some other stuff, like making some post-house.

and let me beat anyone to the punch by saying, I've got your Post-House right here...

http://ncwportal.com/media/jpg/photo/2005/grant/2005_outside_ephrata_post_office

if you recall I'm partially responsible for "beardo"

new name up for grabs

beardo (tm)

'Post house' makes sense, especially when applied to Ital. TLG - i agree it's strange I should be making these complaints as an IDM head, but somehow I have trouble mapping this stuff onto the same values as Warp-style artists. This record is shamblingly scruffy in every way - sometimes it stumbles into the sublime, but more often keels over into incompetency. Most of the time it walks this tightrope over both of them.
In a way I guess this guy is approaching noise music from a dance perspective, a bit like Black Dice have more recently doing vice versa.
But I'm just having trouble parsing it - I should like it on these terms, but there's just something unpleasant and sickly, maybe something about the overall frequency of the record (lots of grainy midrange) that I seem to have an aversion to.

live right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoSsnOAtNyE#!

Teengirl Fantasy live tonight at the Brooklyn Museum of Art. Also the hipster disco band Midnight Magic and the hipster DJ Dan Selzer. Also custom nail art inspired by work in the museum. Sponsored by hipster online "radio" station VIva Radio.

http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/calendar/event/6274

That reminds me, this track:

https://soundcloud.com/100percentsilk/pharaohs-miraculous-feet

I dig some of the Pharaohs stuff. I think one ep on ESP? Speaking of which, my favorite new school house/techno dude somewhat of this ilk is Young Marco. Maybe I mentioned that already. 2 12"s I think on ESP, he's the house designer for Rush Hour I think? His stuff has that pretty techno vibe I love.

Oh yeah, that Young Marco mix is really great from the mixes thread.

Yeah it's amazing. The Boiler Room set is cool too.

This has been my retro house jam recently:

https://soundcloud.com/brutal-music-1/justin-velor-back-to-the

(Longer album version on Spotify is even better)

the coyote cleanup album is pretty good, silk fans. stream here:

http://www.dummymag.com/new-music/2013/05/01/coyote-clean-up-2-hot-2-wait-album-stream/

new octo octa streaming : D

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feed-item.aspx?id=64162

Really enjoyed the Pharaohs album while walking home from work in the sun today.

alex burkat tarot ep is nice

http://vimeo.com/66846598

So according to that Huerco S. article, this is called Outsider House now?

(cue OutHouse jokes)

I don't quite get Huerco S. Tried to get into it and I like some of it ok but over the course of the album it just starts to sound like anonymous warehouse techno (but not danceable)

that Cosby album on 100% Silk that someone mentioned on the regular house/techno thread sounds pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r2BH9BETMg

What else should I listen to on Trilogy Tapes?

Checked out Huerco S this morning in the background, like the textures and atmosphere, but it did seem to lack dynamics.

Is this the thread where we say how great the Unicorn Hard-On album is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RccHLLOhoc8

I like Night Diamond on that release, but as much I might regret saying it, I'm not sure it really qualifies as hipster house!

yeah... imo it sounds more like post-electroclash idm? like mochipet or dj donna summer or something

you know i have to admit i quite like this new steve moore

http://soundcloud.com/stevemoore2600/nemesis

^ this is great. i waited far too long to check out the lovelock album, but it is totally great too. he has his own thread right?

very excited about the mood hut stuff mentioned upthread btw, pacific nw represent

feels like an insult to call young marco hipster house, but hey w/e i'll run with it since others are already talking him up here. this remix from last year is going for CRAZY $$$ on the discogs, it was only a run of 100 tho and i guess it's getting a repress from rush hour soon: https://soundcloud.com/#youngmarco/tony-g-simple-dreams-young

zombi has a thread, but this doesn't really sound like zombi

are we going to need a rolling ambient synth thread this year?

i definitely wouldn't be opposed to it. i like the knew age hippies thread but then i end up missing out on the darker spectrum spools-type stuff

i guess it would work in the IDM thread

Steve Moore just posted about a movie he scored:

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/01/15/dan-stevens-the-guest-youre-next/

What is the IDM thread?

it's called "idm in 2014"

idm in 2014

'rolling golf channel 2014'

that channel is so boring! a thread on it would only be more so imo.

not as boring as idm in 2014 amirite

I'm down with Golf Channel IDM in 2014

i want a thread where ppl who post in this thread, balearic, and knew age just post stuff they find that they know ill like. rolling recommendations for max thread

did you like SPIKE?

max what are your thoughts on the secret circuit album

I'm down with Golf Channel IDM in 2014

Yes, this.

i liked them both!

buddy of mine with a new record coming out on 100% silk: https://soundcloud.com/100percentsilk/golden-donna-pale-dream-rider

with all the octo octa love around here, this is definitely a recommendation

https://vimeo.com/41865217

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