So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

the swiss surely

*Gallic shrug*

What I read (possibly in Rolling Stone) was that her lying about Lumamba's involvement (and maybe alibi and other things too?) was for Italians basically conclusive of her guilt. Then there were the highjinks in the police station. Kind of an honour-based way of looking at it. You can see the appeal of that approach when it comes to judging character, but it's still a whole other thing whether they did the murder or not.

The tension in court as the verdict was delivered exploded into gasps when the presiding judge, Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, began by declaring that the American student's appeal had been rejected, before adding that the rejection only applied to the slander charge.

this is really awful

that claudio! what a prankster

you're being REJECTED ... from italy!!!

i find you GUILTY ... of being in prison too long!!!!!

I sentence you to death... by chocolate!

it was like this Blue Jam sketch where the guy gets his HIV test over the phone but i'm sure no-one remembers that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_HD2MMNv_c

The tension in court as the verdict was delivered exploded into gasps when the presiding judge, Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, began by declaring that the American student's appeal had been rejected, before adding that the rejection only applied to the slander charge.

lol - "This. Is. AMERICAN IDOL!"

"I'm sorry ..... but you're going to have to GET RELEASED FROM PRISON!!!!"

i assume it takes a certain kinda culture to swallow the "she's obv a ho so she must have done it" line

"He (Berlusconi) is the longest-serving post war Prime Minister of Italy, and third longest-serving since the creation of Italy, after Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Giolitti."

idk whether it was a specifically Italian thing. I get the impression that her alleged promiscuity was only one element of a more complex picture that was built up around her. She wasn't painted as immoral, she was painted as a psychopath. There was a huge amount of pop-psych commentary that fitted her behaviour in the police station and in court into a template of the 'textbook psycho' - cold, manipulative and incapable of feeling.

There are so many problems with clinical diagnosis of psychopathy, trying to do it via new bulletins is always going to be tricky.

*news bulletins*

Well there's still a guy doing 16 years for the murder

This is the thing I don't really get. If Knox and Sollecito are innocent, why could it not just be that one guy already sent down for it? Are they saying there might be another accomplice still walking round?

I could be wrong, but all that stuff about her being a "she-devil" and a "witch", wouldn't that have got laughed out of a British court? Maybe it got laughed out of an Italian court, I don't know. Italy seems a fairly misogynistic or at least sexist society (I know, where isn't). (xxp)

"He (Berlusconi) is the longest-serving post war Prime Minister of Italy, and third longest-serving since the creation of Italy, after Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Giolitti."

xp Yes, there was a lot of misogyny in the language which may be something you wouldn't find so readily in a British court (as opposed to a British tabloid).

It's more this general "Hollywood Beckons" slant, as if:

1) the best kind of validation of anything is if Hollywood makes a movie of it
2) that somehow someone 'getting' this in an 'undeserving' way is purely to rile the general population

This is the thing I don't really get. If Knox and Sollecito are innocent, why could it not just be that one guy already sent down for it? Are they saying there might be another accomplice still walking round?

Looks like the family are saying that - the father is reported as saying that there were two knives used and there's no way that one person could be responsible.

how familiar is the father with the evidence and how much can he trust it based on what appear to be a string of procedural botches?

i don't really think we can trust anything the family says about the case tbh, harsh but fair.

otm

however, the early Daily Mail version:

http://davesaysthings.com/delicious-cake/dailymail-knox-guilty.png

ah, it's here in it's entirety:

http://davesaysthings.com/delicious-cake/dailymail-knox-guilty.png

shorter version:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7kpZKZc9VTs/ToohMMFaQTI/AAAAAAAACQQ/D-k0JAXFPiQ/s1600/guilty.jpg

The link has the full version, including quotes from all parties, and suchlike.

sidebar is still the most compellingly weird thing about the daily mail site. i don't know what mail readers' angle on the new pac sextape is, i guess it is maybe something to disapprove of.

Weeping tears pof self-pity and still denying he's a peadophile...Chris Langham plotting his comeback

Underneath pics of 'sultry' Kendal Jenner (15). You Couldn't Make It Up.

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg806/scaled.php?tn=0&server=806&filename=ypgq.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Foxy Knoxy: Would Ya?
So Amanda Knox has been cleared of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher. She’s entirely innocent. She’s also undeniably fit and loves wild sex. Or did. So if you were a guy who’d met her in a bar and she invited you back to hers, would you go? I’m being quite serious. Or would something in your brain make you think twice?

Or would something in your brain make you think twice?

Some biochemical process I assume?

i would hit it but but my parasitical brain-weevils say nuh-uh

acquittal removes much of the frisson or perhaps increases it

Also she's been in prison for four years, eh boys? Knowhorrimean? Wahey! Eh? Eh?

was digging at the media and its speculators, not Knox who i'd guess wants to disappear, like max said

oh no I got that, I was marveling at the combo of ice cold and hilarious

Even if she does want to disappear, it's not going to happen -- her family has a lot of debt to pay off due to legal fees so she's likely to be making the media circuit w/paid interviews and probably publishing a book as well.

couldn't she/wouldn't she/would she not shoot for compensation on account of wrongful conviction?

does her family really have that much debt? i was under the impression that they were pretty rich--father was a microsoft exec or something?

Whatever she does, I imagine Italy's off the itinerary for a while

Taking Sides: pizza in the joint, or pizza in Seattle?

I gotta know

"Amanda, I hear real Italian pizza is worth going to jail for..."

The lady at the post office checked my ID yesterday (was using a cc to pay for overseas shipping) and she was like "this reminds me of that GIRL! they set her free, right?" and we proceeded to talk about Foxy Knoxy for at least 3 min while other people waited in line.

Knox's father is a vice-prez at Macy's. Well off but not wealthy, I'd imagine.

Can somebody link to something that explains why the Kerchers think there was a second murderer?

La Lechera pics or it didn't happen

Can somebody link to something that explains why the Kerchers think there was a second murderer?

BBC keep saying this too as if it's fact that there must have been more than one murderer

... or maybe it was Channel 4 News with that terrible reporter who looks like Penfold from Dangermouse

this is not a link but I think guede's conviction was based on the fact that there was one or more others involved not sure why

xpost

"There were 47 wounds on Meredith and two knives used, one person couldn't possibly have done that." (Kercher's dad) - I think it's basically a line used by the prosection.

The one knife submitted as evidence was the one found in Knox's boyfriends kitchen, which the discredited forensics said had her and kercher's dna; a defence expert testified that the three cuts to Kercher's throat were made by a smaller knife.

When asked if there could have been two knives involved, a theory put forth by the prosecution when it had to admit that the smaller wounds could not have been made by the big kitchen knife, Torre replied, "It would be the first time in history that a murder was done with two knives.

translation of the report by original trial judge, including all forensic evidence heard by the court:
http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/2011/3/Massei_Report.pdf

So:

- Acquitted couple's DNA found on big knife
- Murder was done with smaller knife

Wow, what a stumper

I mean.. the Kerchers have to be operating on some data that is more complicated than that?