2008 Primaries Thread

You're probably right about Giuliani, Gabb. I'm just saying that this is probably what he would have hoped for, short of him doing very well in early states where he basically conceeded the contest and didn't campaign. It's just not a very good strategy.

blacks and well-off reformers overwhelmingly for Obama, poor and lower-middle class whites overwhelmingly for Hillary

This is true. I've begun to see Obama as a "Bill Bradley plus" candidate, basically as outlined above. Like Bradley, he has the highly-educated, high-information voter (cutting across racial lines), but perhaps unlike Bradley, he can also draw a significant block of African-American voters who don't already fall into the "Bradley constituency."

But (a) the key may be Hispanic voters who aren't already in the "Bradley constituency," (b) seeing Obama this way makes him look less like a transformative figure and more like a candidate that pops up in every Presidential cycle, with traditionally limited appeal and (c) it highlights a criticism of Obama that I liked to upthread (that, for any number of reasons, he doesn't tap into the outrage of the Democratic base as well as, say, HRC or Edwards).

Depressing, since I have such high hopes for Obama. If Obama wins the next two contests, tho, he can regain that momentum moving into Super Tuesday. But I see that HRC's national support has recently neared 50% of Democrats again, which means Obama probably has a hard road to travel.

yea, if obama doesn't get SC or nevada, i think he's pretty much done - not that he doesn't have a strong chance of winning those states, though. it does sadden me though that HRC is probably going to be the nominee.

Yeah, I think that's true. He's sort of a "movement" candidate, and he needs to ride that wave. But I think he has a very good shot at winning both contests.

are you guys talking about what they call "common wisdom"?

i mean what a bullshit phrase and oxymoron to boot.

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Stop hurting America, Tucker.

Zogby: Clinton and Obama tied nationally; Obama leads in Clinton's age demo

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1554681020080116

i'm sorry if this was already done but it's too funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

being that ppl actually pay attention to like current events, y'all have probably seen it like 20 times, but it just made my mornin ; )

Hillary: "John, who is, as we know, the son of a mill worker..."

Admittedly, not bad for a race-baiting, change-agent elitist c*nt who just found her voice.

Except I'm not sure she was consciously trying to be funny.

You then, must see the continuing saga of Obama Girl.

She rocks.

(xp)

yes i just saw that, how funny!!

wait, guyz, this is too funny! you hafta see this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE&feature=related

was that Tracy Flick/Hillary video from slate posted upthread? (i can't be "arsed" to look) pretty obvious but i lolled.

For Elmo: The Adventures of Conventional Wisdom Man.

haha: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/mccain-campaign-responds-to-mailing-in-sc/

“Today, a shadowy political organization calling itself ‘Vietnam Veterans Against McCain’ launched a vicious attack on John McCain in an attempt to impugn his character in the closing days of the South Carolina Republican Primary,” Orson Swindle, who was a fellow prisoner of war in Vietnam with Mr. McCain, said in a statement put out by the campaign. “The group claims that John McCain turned his back on his fellow POWs in order to save his own skin.”

There's something just so hilariously lazy about some of these jerk-offs thinking, "well, hell, it worked last time, let's do it again"

"Orson Swindle"

OMG. Jim Pinkerton, new advisor to Mike Huckabee, on how he (and, presumably, Huckabee) would deal with American Muslims.

Orson Swindle sounds like a failed porn name.

^^^lolz

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_wasmccainbrainswashed.htm

http://www.madore.org/~david/images/cards/english/queen-diamonds.png

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080116/capt.dfdb107a18814ba597d5f66388e00a54.huckabee_2008_scab238.jpg?x=400&y=248&sig=hPdIbWXlO0nE_Ixw2bdq8g--

He looks like the grinch.

http://churche.home.mindspring.com/tb/irish.jpg

http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/McCain%20Angry.jpg

http://www.doublespeakshow.com/images/2006/08/mccain_wow.jpg

http://tusb.stanford.edu/mccain0508.jpg

oh my wau

http://www.stanforddaily.com/article/2008/1/16/editorialChelseaLacksClassAtExclusiveEvent

http://nymag.com/arts/theater/features/42753/

yes, that's exactly what she said

i'm sure she was just tired and babbling tho

Mamet: if there were the two candidates, McCain and Obama, either of them would probably make a hell of a president... But I’m not the guy to ask about politics.

well, obviously.

great from Colbert last night after MSNBC Hil montage-

HILLARY '08: What Barack Said

shocker that mamet doesn't like the girl

mamet on just about anything but dramatic theory and practice = sucks (including his actual directing)

You also directed a Ford commercial. Why?
I did it for the money. Why do you think I did it?

all my favorite people are endorsing my favorite candidate

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/01/leahy_for_obama.html

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003697586

Hilarity ensues.

it's better with the visual aid

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jan/17/joke-leaves-em-gasping/

(Haven't been able to get that site to load.)

wtf I don't get how that's an "inappropriate" joke at all

http://www.duke.edu/~tmc/motherpage/covers_gcpfas/cov-paintwhitehouseblack.gif

shakey are you serious

I dunno, maybe. depends on who said it and how it was said, I guess.

he's just the first guy to get called out for a joke everyone's already thought of but then decided not to tell because it's a dumb, unfunny joke.

everyone, huh

yes. even george clinton.

but feel free to interpret my offhand remark through the narrow lens of dull literalism if you wish.

lolz

Edwards made his bed - http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064006.php

Rielle-ty bites.