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more like deluzional, amirite?

― jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

predisposed to pass it over?

I think Paul Autonomic's (great) mix might be all the Dubstep I really need this month to listen to at home. Also, I just don't think I'm in the mood for any more gloom & despair at this precise moment.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was listening to this with headphones on the way to the store tonight...its perfect night-time music.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love you, DJ Martian, but I do leave the house and all.

I think this is the cruellest comment I've seen Ned make yet.

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

Did Boxcutter get a thread and is this at all comparable to his album?

― hector (hector), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Boxcutter album was streaming online for a while, it was more like technically well-done & clean, slightly orientalist (by way of Photek maybe) bassy IDM in the autechre-electro style.

It was ok, but not much melody or anything else gripping for me, I couldn't make it through the whole thing.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

a review from http://www.failme.net/

First thing that has to be stated is that this isn't a straight up dubstep album. It can't be, there's far too many clever rhythmic and

melodic twists and turns to keep it held down by something as trivial as genre or style. He takes dubstep's distinctive motif's (warping b-lines, downward drums, silent gaps) and furnishes incredibly layered pieces of futurist funk.

The eastern sunrise opener of 'Tauhid' might be weighted down with swathes of sub. But, like the rest of the album, there's a light footprint to it all. Even the murky, out-of-focus echo of 'Skuff'd' seems to have a spring in its step. Whilst bass-heads will find solace in darker moments like the magnificent 'Brood'. The rest of us will find this a seasonally apt piece of accomplished electronic music.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

"First thing that has to be stated is that this isn't a straight up dubstep album. It can't be, there's far too many clever rhythmic and melodic twists and turns to keep it held down by something as trivial as genre or style."

I agree that the album ain't straight-up dubstep (although it basically is in parts - the weakest parts ha) but the second half of this statement is ridiculoid.

The beats at their best are better than most current dubstep but not all (and generally not as good as first-wave Horspower/El-B etc. for the sake of an easy comparison) - the focus here is really the texturological side of tings, the heaviness of the synths and samples which gives the music a physicality not in the sense of groove, but in the sense of it feeling physically tangible, like you're gonna get damp if you listen to the tracks with rain sounds.

Still think it's an amazing EP masquerading as a decent album.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

At it's best it very handily inspires a lot of purple prose (see immediately above) which i think is reason alone to at least like it, and will probably propel it to quite a bit of crossover critical (if not commercial) success.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tim F you know that review is for the Boxcutter album? I didn't make it clear sorry(!)... not sure if that's what you're referring to there, seems like it.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ah that explains it. I was astonished that someone would say that about the Burial album. Still, I doubt the Boxcutter album transcends genre!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

speaking of hyperbolic, this is from the latest bleep newsletter: "Its everything that Goldie´s Timeless ought to have been." (quoting k-punk)

that comment pretty much makes me want to avoid this album even though i am intrigued. i am very resistant to this premature canonization stuff. was "timeless" critically reviled on it's release? i recall reading a few recent posts here that tear it apart pretty well, but "ought to have been"?

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

If I liked Witchman several eons ago, will I like this? Are there any points of comparison? I have never heard dubstep, as far as I know.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Possibly. The album it reminds me most of in vibe is a Guy Called Gerald's Black Secret Technology - in particular the lo-fi original version. Same vibe, different beats.

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Timeless had rave reviews at the time of release. It still sounds great.

Once Blogger is back up and running, I will deliver a more persuasive argument for you purchasing the Burial album.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't understand why he would even mention tricky. one is shiny & lazer sharp & the other is murky, decayed, *buried". it's like slagging off superpitcher record for not being a basic channel record i.e. they sound completely different.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

eek

i don't understand why he would even mention tricky.
i don't understand why he would even mention Goldie.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

marcello - every time i look at CoM now it's formatted so the text runs way off the page. is that my fault (seetings?) or yours?

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

~~seetings~~ settings! jeez

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

i tried to listen to the samples somewhere, but i imagine its not something that would lend itself to that. whats a good track to download?

― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

try you hurt me or gutted

― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

jed_ I get that too, I think it's the text in the Scott Walker review that breaks the page layout (I'm on 1024 x 786 on a smallish monitor, Firefox, XP, etc).

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

(it happens for me too.)

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's all a bit silly, this.

― rtccc (mwah), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

CoM text breaking did indeed happen with the Walker review. It'sbcz of the word that I am shortening to WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATZ.....ZKSCREAMSGOOOOOOOD.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 1 June 2006 07:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

I thought that a record as cinematic as The Drift demanded a cinemascopic treatment...also that particular passage had to stand as it was because it was perhaps the most painful thing I've ever written in CoM, or the thing which has caused me the most pain to write because it involved confronting personal demons which I had long strived to avoid, but which listening to the record had provoked.

In any event I have divided the passage up into digestible lines, and the Burial piece is now up for lovers of "nonsensical flowery prose."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 08:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Much more readable now.

Good job on the Burial, Marcello. And I might buy that Ishiguro on the way home from work.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

when i said it was like urban tribe i just meant that it's all whispery haunted house noises, eerie synthsd and jay dee boom clack boom clack beats. so far it doesn't seem to have the range of UT. also it doesn't have the whole afro/jazz thing going on - this could be positive or negative, depending on yr mood.

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

marcello, nothing personal, but your blog piece sums up why brit music writing disgusts me.

three paragraphs of deeply gross classist handwringing about the "working class" - do you really only see "wretchedness" every time you see someone in the lowest tax bracket? and i like this one: "they are given the illusion of education and enlightenment" - aren't you also culpable? why are you so willing to see the education of "people who work in call-centre servitude" as illusion?

followed by five paragraphs of blogging about blogging.

followed by several paragraphs of vaguely musicological nonsense:

"record looks and feels like something unofficial, unauthorised; an urgent samizdat, a desperate plea from an ending world, an artefact whose emotions are so necessary to communicate that packaging would constitute both delay and distraction."

dude, it looks like any techstep album from the early 2000s!!

"The beats are too shadowed and distant for dancing; this music is to be felt in other parts of the soul as well as listened to"

yuck, stale IDM rhetoric pt 9,000,000

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

etc etc

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

sorry. that was sort of weak. brits in failure to keep it real shocker. anyway, don't buy the burial album for any of the reasons marcello said, unless yr british. i think americans and brits just have different emotional buttons or something, it's really hard to take all of the hyperbole about burial seriously.

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

let me bring the positivity to counter my out-of-line dissing of the UK - i hope ellen allien makes a faux-dubstep album!!

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think "DNFTT" is the only rational response here.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

only thing that can save dubstep from itself = IDM!! ellen allien, shadetek, junior boys, etc etc all have tremendous energy to add to the scene. the upshot is that unlike drill'n'bass this round of IDM-infused bass music will be LISTENABLE.

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm hardly a troll but maybe i'm trolling. still, is this thread about burial/dubstep or is it a vanity thread about CoM? if it's the latter, i have no place being here and i'll get off the thread. if it's the former, i think i'm within my rights to say that your piece on burial is pretty bad. and that your opinions are wrong.

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

ILM is all about disagreement, right??

anyway you should be apologizing to ME, i've worked in a call center and i don't think you should be calling me "wretched".

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

sometimes I'd like to live the American Dream vahid

I'm wondering if the relative unoriginality of the cover makes it any less powerful if you're coming to it with a fresh mind? In isolation I think it's a great cover.

I think Marcello was just trying to avoid the pat, idiotic "this is more of a listening album y'know" staple than reinforce IDM cliches. Though they are annoying, I'll take the anything over the former, and I think the latter is almost dead for anyone but sheltered "alternative music" fans by 2006.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

and the "nonsensical flowery prose" takes a bow. i still can't wait to see what luciano brings out.

who doesn't use stale IDM rhetoric these days, vahid?

i second the faux-dubstep album - but isn't that what Various Productions is trying to do?

― natedey (ndeyoung), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

I couldn't disagree more about IDM "saving" Dubstep (have you heard the Boxcutter album? Dreary.) but I agree it has pitfalls to avoid (from d'n'b mostly).

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've worked in a call centre and I don't take it personally, they can be wretched. Since our industry went south (no, not London) it's all a lot of people can do, and I mean over-educated people people with degrees that now are useless, not people happy for a break from unemployment, working themselves up, retraining, new skills and all that. And even these existing jobs are being outsourced to India a lot of the time.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

boxcutter= amazingly well produced and engineered rubbish. A million dazzling effects and edits you've heard a million times before. Its almost the precise and diametric opposite of the Burial album...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

vahid's comment that the burial record looks like techstep from the early 2000s has sold me on this more than anything else.

marcello you made the ishiguro sound worth checking out. it sounds like a zenned out cross between houellebecq and murakami.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think what annoys me about these "cinematic" dubstep beats is that they often sound so stiltedly unphysical. One of the points about having beats hovering at circa 135 bpm is that you can get a really great hip-focused groove going, but dubpstep extracts the hips and frequently what is left is this stilted anti-flow, this stiffness that sounds like the music has been broken or winded or crushed by a corsette, a machine that's had some vital part removed and can't work properly.

Techstep did this too (this is part of the similarity) but the speed and the shameless use of breakdowns and climaxes gave it a sense of a broken machine spiralling out of control. With dubstep - slower and seemingly suspicious of the notion of song dynamic - that never happens.

The Dom & Roland Industry comparison makes a lot of sense for me, above and beyond the fact that Industry is definitely my favourite techstep album. I think Burial beats out Dom & Roland on the texture front, the warp and weave of the samples etc. But D&R beats out Burial on the beats/grooves front because, even when it's basically a straightforward 2-step groove (maybe 4 tracks or so), there's a real energy and intensity to the groove, a friction between the physicality of the beats and the lush mournfulness of the textures and melodies - when this is combined with an excitingly syncopated rhythm (on tracks like "Thunder", "Chained On Both Sides" and especially the peerless "Elektra") it's unstoppable.

It's clear that Burial can construct excitingly syncopated rhythms and on the best tracks that's what he does, but frequently he still sounds caught within dubstep's horizon of wounded undynamic grooves, like a post-Timbaland version of the leaden, lumpen boom-bap which drags down so much comparable downtempo.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

but dubpstep extracts the hips and frequently what is left is this stilted anti-flow, this stiffness that sounds like the music has been broken or winded or crushed by a corsette, a machine that's had some vital part removed and can't work properly.

OTM. i just cannot get as excited about this as other things going on.

― trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

Isn't that, er, the point?

Finney's comments are akin to criticising Saint Etienne for not being Menswear.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

???? Marcello help me unpack that analogy, I'm feeling tipsy and dense and can't even work out what the relationship b/w Saint Etienne and Menswear is right now, let alone how my comments relate to it.

NB 1. I don't have an issue with rhythms sounding like broken machines. It's just that ideally a broken machine should sound, well, dangerous, rather than merely, well mildly impaired.

NB 2. I'm not saying that the entire album suffers from this, only about half.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Might you not consider it a simulacrum of "dangerous"? The punctum here lies in how it suggests, and perhaps even seeps "dangerous" without snarling it out in capital letters (which is another reason why "Spaceape" doesn't really work)?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

industry is not my favorite techstep album, but it's very close to the top.

can someone finish this? industry is to blade runner as burial is to ... ? artificial intelligence??

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

and can anyone do without using the word "punctum"?

― jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hi Jess!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

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It's credited as Dusk + Blackdown +

the second + being Burial

― Number None, Wednesday, 4 July 2012 19:24 (10 months ago) Permalink

ahhh

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 July 2012 04:34 (10 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

There's a new single

― azaera, Monday, 3 December 2012 09:09 (5 months ago) Permalink

Please please please be a Christmas single

― ILM Communication (seandalai), Monday, 3 December 2012 12:54 (5 months ago) Permalink

Or at least get the xmas number 1 spot via a Facebook campaign.

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 3 December 2012 13:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

60-second clips (can't listen at work). Probably hard to judge based on these, I imagine.

http://www.factmag.com/2012/12/12/stream-clips-of-burials-new-ep-truant-rough-sleeper-a-k-a-one-two/

― azaera, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 18:42 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'm enjoying just letting the two clips loop endlessly

― Brakhage, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:18 (5 months ago) Permalink

IT'S HERE:
http://noisey.vice.com/blog/burial-just-dropped-a-new-ep-and-hot-damn-is-it-good

― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 14 December 2012 17:09 (5 months ago) Permalink

Or more importantly, here's where you can actually buy it:
http://www.hyperdub.net/releases/view/207/HDB069

― mh, Friday, 14 December 2012 17:18 (5 months ago) Permalink

GOOD TRY MR. VICE STREET TEAM

― mh, Friday, 14 December 2012 17:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

Bought it last night, listened to it a few times with errrr 'suitable' accompaniment...not sure what to make of it yet, feels/is more framgented than we're used to from him. Some of those fragments are lush, almost-housey in their bounce, others are Burial-by-numbers spectral washes with that chain on metal sound he loves. One of the sections samples some late 90s/early00s dance track that's super obvious but I can't quite place it for some reason.

We put on the Kindred EP straight after and I've got to admit that it made this new one sound a bit slight.

― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Saturday, 15 December 2012 10:17 (5 months ago) Permalink

rough sleeper is fantastic!

― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Saturday, 15 December 2012 14:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

They're both fantastic. There's very few producers who can come with a similar sound every time and not get boring

― paolo, Saturday, 15 December 2012 17:11 (5 months ago) Permalink

I find "Truant" to be the stronger track. They're both messier and 'sketchier' than his previous releases (including "Ashtray Wasp"). "Rough Sleeper" has some great passages, but it's a bit of a mess as a whole, with some parts more successful than others.

But the build up and sequencing of the first eight and a half minutes of "Truant" are breathtaking... Bevan has a great sense of drama. The segment between 3:50 and 5:13 is some of the best work he's done. I might lazily describe it as Indo-Caribbean Futurism (?) that only could've come out of the UK. It easily gives Shackleton a run for his money. The track sounds a bit like an evolution of the aesthetics of "Fostercare".

A bit of a mixed bag as a whole. Still a worthy effort, though. Would love to see a proper album built on some of the ideas heard here and on Kindred.

― azaera, Saturday, 15 December 2012 19:41 (5 months ago) Permalink

Feels like a mini-album of many short tracks. Took a few listens to get into, but I do love this now.

― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Sunday, 16 December 2012 22:00 (5 months ago) Permalink

I sort of agree with that 'mini-album' comment. Each track does seem to have 2 or 3 distinct sections. The first time I listened I thought the tracks had changed but they hadn't.

― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 16 December 2012 22:17 (5 months ago) Permalink

"Rough Sleeper" has some great passages

well that's what happened to me. one particular passage in Rough Sleeper is in loop in my head. the perfect soundtrack for the rainy saturday

― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Sunday, 16 December 2012 23:52 (5 months ago) Permalink

On first listen I think Truant sounds a lot more interesting. Most of Rough Sleeper is kind of rote.

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 17 December 2012 13:31 (5 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

This thing's a grower.

Still not quite sure what to make of the whole organ segment of "Rough Sleeper". There's little as far as momentum to the beat and not really an ambient feel either; kind of stuck somewhere in the middle. But god do things pick up after that. The "light surrounding you" vocals and the chimes are such a welcome new direction.

And "Truant" is still a stunner.

― azaera, Monday, 7 January 2013 16:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

feels like the most refined, 'pop' thing he's done. even if it's a complex series of developing sections or movements. even if he's using a chintz-y lexicon unit to pitch his sounds. don't really consider myself a burial fan, but i've played this new one(two) endlessly. nice to have such frequent, and increasingly varied output from somebody.

― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 00:22 (4 months ago) Permalink

was pretty bored by these tracks myself

― beard papa, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 00:31 (4 months ago) Permalink

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