I LOVE DRUKQS+

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"I think if a musical career lasts long enough, "bad progress" is almost inevitable" ---- What about David Bowie, super long career with all good progress.

A Nairn, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i really wish Mogwai would progress from being one of those bands with skips full of potential to a band capable of greatness.

and, no, they do not nessecitate the same thing.

Wyndham Earl, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four years pass...
I still love drukqs too.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i've obviously jumped on the ilm bandwagon about 4 years late. wilco used to be revered here!

and yeah, i like drukqs too

was actually my favourite until i was told i should be liking the 'ambient' stuff more.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Me too, I love it.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Drukqs is kinda shitty.

jimn (jimnaseum), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

And you should be liking the "ambient" shit more.

jimn (jimnaseum), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

It suffered from not having a coherent direction. I did dig the piano jams tho, the other stuff not so much...

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if people's reaction to Drukqs depends on how much of an Aphex fanboy they were when they first heard it? i.e. those who were waiting with bated breath were more likely to be disappointed.

For me, it's got plenty of good things but it's the least interesting of the "proper" studio albums, no doubt.

It's Tough to Beat Illious (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I started liking it after some review pointed out that there is something coherent in there, piano things, typically followed by more typical Aphex things (or at least stuff a bit like RDJ), followed by thing that sound a bit like Japanese temple sort of stuff, like Nanou 2, for example. This isn't exact, but it did make me like it more, for whatever reason.

I pretty much thought it was shite when it came out.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

It's pretty exact! Noisy beats followed by short prepared piano piece and repeat. It works for me.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah this cd is good it goes in headphone rotation probly every 3-4 months for the past 5 years

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i havent heard summer teeth since i was in h.s. but it soundtracked alot of good times with friends, im sure its still pretty good

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

luff dis album (drukqs). prefer the tonality of the prprd. disklavier pieces to the prepared piano pieces of cage.

held tony (held tony), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

there is a good cohesion in the sequence of tracks, but unsure that it's not just a result of being familiar w/the album. it has a natural flow

held tony (held tony), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually just put the ambient/treated piano tracks on my ipod when I ripped it. To me that's a fantastic album and the one he should have really released. If it'd been like some of the Analord stuff I'd have had more patience but it would've still added little to what would've been a very coherent album for him.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"I wonder if people's reaction to Drukqs depends on how much of an Aphex fanboy they were when they first heard it? i.e. those who were waiting with bated breath were more likely to be disappointed."

I got into Aphex Twin way late and sorta heard everything all at once. Drukqs struck me as the best. It's still my favorite.

Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i find drukqs to be his most listenable album.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hey yeah i never got all the drukqs hate when it came out. i thought there was a lot more going on in/with the drill tracks on drukqs than on richard d. james, and the prepared stuff is fantastic. i'm kinda meh on aphex in general though--love 'i care because you do,' squelchy early stuff, SAW 85-92, don't care for SAWII or richard d. james. i might pull out drukqs right now; it's probably been five years since i've heard it.

plan b: videodrome (fauxhemian), Friday, 9 February 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i think drukqs suffered from a critical short-circuit

friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Drukqs is every bit as unlistenable as Metal Machine Music.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you heard the entire album?

Zachary S (Zach S), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

and the race to post on the wit & wisdom thread begins

and what (ooo), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, besides the piano bits of course. Those are lovely.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I was a fanboy from 92 and I thought the quality of releases had been going down for a while when it came out. It has some good bits, particularly the piano stuff which is still great and some of the drill stuff was actually pretty good.

but... the drill stuff was already getting kinda old when this came out and he was looking to end his relationship with warp. I found the analord stuff actually pretty good and at least had a bit of a new direction.

hector (hector), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i like metal machine music.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 9 February 2007 04:25 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...

I keep replaying "Avril 14." Is the rest of the album this good?

Tape Store, Sunday, 21 October 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i finally picked this up a couple weeks ago. it's a bit of an inconsistent album, but i think there's some great stuff on it. i've not yet really digested disc 2 (which seems a little spottier) but disc 1 is excellent.

it kind of got trashed, it seems, when it was first released, but i'm quite happy i finally picked it up. it's a lot better than some of those early reviews made it out to be.

Mark Clemente, Sunday, 21 October 2007 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Tape Store, it's his most complete album, however it was let down by the fact it came out about 4 years too late. Rather than a huge stylistic leap, it's a sprawling double album that concentrates on refining what he had been doing since 1996, so to seasoned fans who expected another wacky twist in the ongoing Aphex saga, they were to be disappointed. It has an awful lot of material, some of it excellent and a lot of it, well, awful. But that was always the idea with Aphex I suppose. It was never about being polished and more about the fun ideas. Throw it at a wall and see if it sticks, and if it doesn't chuck it in the pot anyway.

the next grozart, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link

"54 Cymru Beats" is one of his all-time best.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link

The stretch between "vordhosbn" and "Afx237 V7" is great, but after that I usually turn it off or skip 7 tracks

robertwolf8080, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

You can makea a dinky 60 minute cut by ripping out all the whoops-I-left-the-tape-running moments.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 October 2007 05:51 (sixteen years ago) link

grozart's response intrigues me; I'm going to buy this.

Tape Store, Monday, 22 October 2007 06:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

"Avril 14th" is like the best soundtrack piece Jon Brion never wrote.

jaymc, Sunday, 10 August 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

i love drukqs

Creeztophair, Sunday, 10 August 2008 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i wonder if druckqs will be one of those albums that gradually gets the kudos and props that weren't there initially, until, one day, it is described as a classic (probably around the time of the next release, when people will say "man this, shit is just druckqs redux, now that was a cool lp"???

― gareth, Monday, March 11, 2002 8:00 PM

^^

am0n, Saturday, 5 September 2009 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

miss gareth :(

ian, Sunday, 6 September 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm, I just noticed that my copy of "Druckqs" has a parental advisory sticker on it. What am I missing?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 September 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link

It has a song called "Cock", no other reason really.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Sunday, 6 September 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Which I guess makes Richard James the only other act besides Frank Zappa (at least that I can think of) to get a parental advisory notice stuck on an instrumental release.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a swear on one of the tracks I think?

Relatin' Jews to Jazz (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah 'Cock/Ver10' has the word "cunt" on it

braveclub, Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah. All I could hear in my head was the Squarepusher track with "I'm the fucking daddy" on it.

Relatin' Jews to Jazz (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Jeez I bought my copy from Warp and I actually have a sticker somewhere that says "Come On You Cunt Let's Have Some Aphex Acid"

Relatin' Jews to Jazz (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

I have just bought this album again, and am about to listen to it for only the second time in 10 years.

It's just become such a "thing," my fear of this album. I think I'm such a different person and have such different tastes in music and different expectations that it will be interesting for me to see how my reactions to it have changed.

The Curve Of Binding Energy (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 20 May 2010 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link

how can you even remember your reaction to an album (a double disc album no less) that you heard once over 10 years ago?

I always wrote this album off due to hearing a lot of bad reviews (ok, just from allmusic, but in my teen years AMG was biblical to me), I'm kind of curious about it now.

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Friday, 21 May 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i remember my reaction and that was that it was good, but nothing new - and "something new" was what i'd come to expect of aphex, and therefore druqks was a bit of a failure. i've dug this out recently and it's a real re-assessor. Ziggomatic is a good fun tune peeps.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 21 May 2010 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i was disappointed by this when it came out for the same reason. i've since come to see it as the last word in "drill n bass" shit or whatever, with a pretty brilliant mix of other material thrown in. doesn't always work though, and admittedly i most often listen to a single-disc redux of favorites i made if i put it on these days...

Billy Crystals (another al3x), Friday, 21 May 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link

i love this album and i really can't wait to see what he comes up with next

ma/y/aoi (Future_Perfect), Friday, 21 May 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link

i didn't really get into chosen lords or much of the analord stuff but bwoon dub off analord02 is very nice

ma/y/aoi (Future_Perfect), Friday, 21 May 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link

(for me, anyway)

let’s get intertwined (morrisp), Friday, 29 March 2024 04:38 (three weeks ago) link

Ween has a lot of Aphex-coded tracks too so I'd say the feeling was mutual

frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2024 04:45 (three weeks ago) link

> PEEK 824545201

a lot of the cheat codes in magazines at the time POKEd 201 (RET in z80) into memory to terminate routines before lives were decremented. but you are right that PEEK is lookup and even 824545 is way too large for a 16 bit address space (65536 bytes)

(i can't remember the day of the week sometimes but i do still remember random z80 opcodes. 205 call, 195 jmp...)

koogs, Friday, 29 March 2024 08:11 (three weeks ago) link

morrisp OTM

octobeard, Friday, 29 March 2024 08:46 (three weeks ago) link

Koogs OTM

Keith, Friday, 29 March 2024 09:02 (three weeks ago) link

"PEEK 824545201" is a missed opportunity. He could have named it so as to perform a public service. For example, POKE 59901,82 fixes the Attic Bug.

Vast Halo, Friday, 29 March 2024 09:42 (three weeks ago) link

Haha

Keith, Friday, 29 March 2024 09:51 (three weeks ago) link

Beautiful classical guitar version of Avril 14 on Shane Parish's forthcoming album.

https://shaneparish.bandcamp.com/album/repertoire

Composition 40b (Stew), Friday, 29 March 2024 12:03 (three weeks ago) link

okay I got RDJ Album on now, it's still very freaky, just pure cartoon alien shit. or maybe music for the little mushroom guys. I like how he's sampling so many "small" sounds like water drops or tapping on coke cans, and even household objects like his modem (I think?), but then in spots it'll suddenly go all orchestral. especially like the last track having all those percussive instruments in it, obviously can't be done in your bedroom with your machines. so it feels big and very small at the same time. it does still sound good but not as good as his 21st Century stuff. "Peek" always makes me feel like I have sinus pain.

frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2024 20:12 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah would agree it's not as good as the newer stuff, but it is still great, and it was a big step (well, that and Hangable Autobulb)—I guess it's a bit like Revolver is clear big step, but whilst they're both great, I like listening to Abbey Road more.

Keith, Friday, 29 March 2024 20:56 (three weeks ago) link

That analogy perfectly explains our respective taste differences. I'm a Revolver >>> Abbey Road guy and put it on far more often.

octobeard, Sunday, 31 March 2024 07:40 (three weeks ago) link

I like how minimal and 'in the box'it feels even though it's totally maximalist. I'd compare it to Autechre's LP5 in that respect

your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Sunday, 31 March 2024 10:22 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah I get this, I find it amazing how spacey some of it is, given how much he seems to jam into every track.

Another thing I love about Aphex Twin is how every time I want some more stuff, you just kind of Google around and he seems to have squeezed at least another LP's worth of stuff out there. Currently listening to Oslo 2 +6.1, which is an unreleased track off of Rushup Edge and it's great; in fact, it might be better than most of the stuff on the actual release.

Keith, Thursday, 11 April 2024 19:56 (one week ago) link

Wow, [S770SCI 3000,powertran] beautiful Japanese people might be one of his best.

Keith, Thursday, 11 April 2024 20:30 (one week ago) link

Isn't Cheetah like "Hey I made an album thar sounds like my other stuff except on a redundant piece of hardware that's really difficult to use"?

I've heard similar concept albums by VSnares and Si Begg and my reaction with all of these is "That must have taken you fucking ages, I shall waste no time in listening to it"


I have such complicated feelings about this issue.

Like, would anyone else here be surprised if all (or most?) of his tracks supposedly made with certain pieces of gear in fact weren’t? If all of his prepared piano stuff was actually sampled? Or the Analord series was all done on computers and digital gear? Or that he has never bothered to record with a Korg Minilogue? Which of course would be making its own statement about gear fetishization.

I’m not suggesting he doesn’t know how to use this gear BTW or hasn’t. His interviews, such as the Syrobonkers one, suggest exactly what you say above: that he is capable of wringing his music out of almost any piece of gear. But the guy is such an unreliable narrator par excellence that literally nothing would surprise me.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 22 April 2024 13:57 (yesterday) link

if the piano stuff was sampled surely someone would've discovered from what by now?

I get I can see him just loading up samples of the Cheetah and making stuff that way, in fact certain bits I could swear it's like he's loading up a Syro track through a different set of sounds. I can't specify what exactly but there are bits which sound a little too familiar. That said I can definitely see RDJ getting obsessed with that equipment at a young age and pumping out an EP made on it definitely seems like the sort of thing he would do at this stage in his career, like he's got nothing to prove anymore but I think he does still want to challenge himself.

frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2024 14:03 (yesterday) link

I agree with the thrust of what you're saying. To be clear tho: I don't mean sampled whole cloth from another piece of music -- but using prepared piano samples and then constructing the pieces on a computer as opposed to outfitting his MIDI Disklavier piano with bolts and the like to record those sounds himself (which is what he supposedly did).

My guess is that he is using the gear he says he is BTW -- at least most of the time. But Analord is probably the stuff that made me think about this issue the most -- because as much as I love the TR-606/808/909s, the MC sequencers and the SH-101 and TB-303, all of those sounds and programming styles can be very credibly replicated using computers.

My bigger point was that this is the guy whose 26 Mixes for Cash includes numerous tracks that have no relation whatsoever to their supposed source material. And so much of what he's done since Syro has cited the gear he used (some of which I own) that I can't help but wonder whether he's taking a bit of a piss by challenging people like me to strain to hear things in his music that literally aren't there.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 22 April 2024 14:55 (yesterday) link

ahh I see what you mean. yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the prepared piano stuff was actually fake. I wondered about that with that Computer Controlled Instruments EP he did, like it could easily just be samples right? though when I listen to it, it very much does sound like the product of an actual studio. something about the reverb especially sounds authentic.

the Autechre guys were talking about analog vs. digital once and while they agreed the analog stuff sounded special, they did say you can recreate all that digitally if you knew how, it's just that most people don't. I suspect RDJ is one of the guys who knows how.

frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2024 14:59 (yesterday) link

the computer controlled instruments are real

https://www.logosfoundation.org/instrum_gwr/HAT.html
https://www.logosfoundation.org/instrum_gwr/snar2.html

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:47 (yesterday) link

I can only hope their instrument manufacturing is more sophisticated than their web design.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:50 (yesterday) link

i like their web design

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:54 (yesterday) link


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