The strawman of the white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan

I mean, if you're singing along and goofing on shit, then you're liking it in some way, right? I was talking to someone who just graduated high school and I think that's probably the way she sees most radio hip-hop/r&b. It's really no more ridiculous than any other music, but all the innuendo and raps about panty lines just doesn't really describe your life at that age.

Otherwise, the whole Shadow/J5/Diplo/Prefuse/R2Dj2/whatever fan stereotype is just as much a strawman as any white guy who wants to live black and doesn't "do it accurately enough" because that's borne from a comedic, mainstream strawman/stereotype, period.

I think the border line is how the possible strawman feels about dead prez's "(bigger than) hip hop." Is it real enough? Does the production make it too commercial? Have they only heard of it because they're kanye trainspotting after finding their direction in life through "college dropout?"

I saw J5 for a second time sometime around 2003 (2002?) and I almost fell asleep because they decided to perform pretty much every song they ever recorded. I swear, it went on foreeeeever. Also, is this strawman responsible for all kinds of college kids thinking every DJ is a turntablist? Because jesus, if I could blame it for every guy who's made some sort of "wicky wicky scratch" noise during a discussion about djing it'd clear up some emotional issues.

Anyway, so I don't really get the issue. What're the sides we're discussing here? That folks who still listen to J5/DJ Shadow (I personally think he is far above and beyong any J5 link)/RJD2 aren't listening to the "real shit?" And those listening to the "real shit" think the J5/DJ Shadow/RJD2 fans have no clue? What's the issue?

And where do Tribe and De La fall in all this? I think and argument of the non-real shit fan is maybe "positivity" or "talking about things I can actually relate to." At least those are the arguments I can remember from my college days. But I still can't take a side or provide a real argument because I don't really know what the question is.

I think that for a lot of people (I'm not necessarily one of them), J5 and Shadow represent a museum curator's approach to hip-hop, a sort of "4 elements 4 life" nostalgia that keeps rap's aesthetic locked in a time capsule from which it can never evolve. Ergo, the white college kid who champions these artists is, in fact, speaking a dead language.

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Oh – De La pwns all over Talib, Mos Def, and Jurassic 5. Have you listened to their beats? Their last album shows no slackening.

Well I guess I'm the ultimate in hip-hop evil because I'm white, I'm a university student, and I like Endtroducing a lot. Don't have a J5 shirt, though.

Now that Michael Jackson is "invincible" in court (haw haw), maybe he can sue to win the rights to get "J5" back from Jurassic 5.

You're confusing MJ with Berry Gordy.

Also, N_RQ, no. Jurassic 5 are still mostly yawnfilled. Lovely guys, tho'!

But...COME ON! What the hell happened to live and let live, even in the face of others who do not adopt said credo? This smacks of the same undercurrents that lead to the hateration that is thrown in Dave Matthews Band fans faces - those without the knowledge are deemed the unwashed masses, somehow below those of us in the know.

I would suggest this instead - if you should see someone who fits any variation of the above appearance, reach into your bag and give them one of the 5 burned cds that you will keep with you from now on. On said discs, you will have burned a compilation of the music you find would be important to turn these "unfortunate souls" onto. What is actually on it? Who the fuck cares? Just do it. Spread the word, instead of wasting words.

I've seen J5 a few times, enjoyed their show once or twice, and was bored by it once or twice. I feel like "Entroducing" was an important album for me in terms of exploding what music could be, and I got it in...something like '96? '97?

Don't hate - elaborate, educate, and celebrate. How cool would it be to get Sam Bush and Ice T on the same track? What the hell kind of mind fuck would THAT be?

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IF I ONLY HAD THAT MIDNIGHT IN A PERFECT WORLD 12".

The straw-man rhetorical technique is the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents actually offer. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to your opponent.

One can set up a straw man in several different ways:

1. Present only a portion of the opponent's arguments (often a weak one), refute it, and pretend that all of their arguments have been refuted.
2. Present the opponent's argument in weakened form, refute it, and pretend that the original has been refuted.
3. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
4. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
5. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticised, and pretend that the person represents a group that the speaker is critical of.

Some logic textbooks define the straw-man fallacy only as a misrepresented argument. It is now common, however, to use the term to refer to all of these tactics. The straw-man technique is also used as a form of media manipulation.

I am also white and have been to college.

"Sometimes songs will reappear in your head for no reason. You'll start humming a tune, and only recognise what that song is a minute later. I love it when this happens, it's a true affirmation of loving a song, that it's buried almost subconsciously into you. For me, today, it was "Midnight Surprise" by Lightspeed Champion."

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If Lightspeed Champion had sold some records, we could easily have used him as a punchline more often.

Or if he had a drummer

If Lightspeed Champion had sold some records, we could easily have used him as a punchline more often.

Can't think of any other pop musician to have had no sales bump whatsoever after an untimely death. RIP big man.

I used to know a lot of "heads" (all white guys, natch) who listened to music such as this on their studio quality headphones while walking around town, their dreadlocked hair tucked neatly into their rastafarian hats

Man, that must have been an awful fictional town.

Bay Area, late 90s. But thanks for calling.

"Bay Area" indeed!

Berkeley, if you want to be specific.

cliche area

most of them seemed to live in the co-ops, now that I think about it.

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CLICHE AREA

cliche area

I see. So now if you witness something, you should change the place you saw it to be "less cliche."

that last Shadow album did pretty much suck tho (except 3 Freaks) right?

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I used to know a lot of "heads" (all white guys, natch) who listened to music such as this on their studio quality headphones while walking around town, their dreadlocked hair tucked neatly into their rastafarian hats

― Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Thursday, 29 January 2009 17:00 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Where is Ed?

no hat on Ed, he lets it flow

"that last Shadow album did pretty much suck tho (except 3 Freaks) right?"

shadow basically started hating his fans. more 'corny indie rap fuxor' self hate.

lol otm

lol otm

― The Reverend (rev), Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:58 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol otm