"In summary, Apple wins again (probably)"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
As with audio, punters don't give a crap about quality and would rather watch harry potter on youtube than on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
More or less
― Ed, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
* sub-SD mobile video has taken off in a huge way; HD is useless on a phone * DVDs upscaled on HD television sets look fantastic already
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
thx!
― ledge, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
by the way, when i was in new york earlier this year i watched Letterman on a friend's girlfriend's gigantic HD television, and yyyeeeeeuccchhhh
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
* DVDs upscaled on HD television sets look fantastic already
this is more OTM than I ever imagined. The final nail for me was when I saw Assassin's Creed played on a 60" giganto-plasma that was capable of 1080p - I was all "holy shit this is amazing, is this full 1080p?" and dude is like "no this is actually just upscaled from the component signal"
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
There's one particular HD title I worked on recently - it has sold 37 copies worldwide. 37. I can think of a couple of others which can't have even reached that figure.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
What does Tay Zonday look like in HD
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
El Tomboto - that Assassin's Creed still would have been 720p being upscaled - which is fair a lot different than upscaling a progressive scan dvd, I'd imagine. You're just start with a much higher res image which can have a lot more detail, etc...
Anyhow, a good 1080p transfer is going to have a lot more detail and a lot cleaner look on a good 1080p HDTV, than a 480p dvd being upscaled to 1080p. But I would agree that the average consumer couldn't give a shit (or at least not enough to drop a couple of thousand and to bother setting up all that stuff to work right).
― Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, the comments in the article comparing HD disc formats to SACD and DVD-Audio seem OTM to me in that regard
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
Sorry, I can't type in English today :(
― Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
The one thing I've seen in HD that was really wow - 1080i NFL broadcasts on a big plasma
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
this thread does remind me I need to e-mail my landlady and ask when they're getting the roof dish upgraded
the truth is HD DOES look a lot better but upscaled DVDs still look GREAT so ya.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
it also depends on the dvd and how it's encoded too. ppl forget about that whole thing.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
Since getting HD a couple years back it's really the only thing I watch. If there's a movie I really want to see it's only theater or HD for me - anything else is kind of unacceptable. I don't think I'm the average consumer, but it's a big deal for me - I'm actually less precious about music and whether it's on a serious hi-fi etc.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
...though I care about music more.
I am considering a PS3 for Gran Turismo and Blu-Ray, but I'm still not sure. I figure $$$ upfront for the first kind of player and something $ later if blu-ray loses.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
Another problem with HD-DVD & Blu-Ray is that there still aren't really many very good movies out on either format. And of course, in most cases, what is on there is a lot more expensive than the standard DVD versions. Lots of people didn't switch from VHS to DVD until the prices on DVDs got more than competitive too. For instance, the 28 Days Later DVD is $9.99 US on Amazon right now, while the Blu-Ray disc is $27.95 - and this is a movie that supposedly looks no different in either format. Why would somebody in their right mind buy the blu-ray disc even if they had a player?
― Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
Would somebody in their right mind buy that movie in the first place...?
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 December 2007 00:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
would somebody in their right mind buy a movie?
― s1ocki, Friday, 21 December 2007 00:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
no way, movies are expensive! they cost tens of millions of dollars!
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 December 2007 00:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
The de laurentiis family bought Dune as a gift for all of us
― El Tomboto, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
They're both basically doomed, unless Warner takes a side soon, and then the other side would be immediately dead.
― Eric H., Friday, 21 December 2007 01:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
I don't care about Warner. I do care about Criterion. I just want them to start putting out HD movies - damn it. I don't care which format - I will buy either player I need at that point, which will hopefully come soon (but I doubt it).
― Jeff LeVine, Friday, 21 December 2007 03:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
Warner chooses Blu-Ray. HD-DVD is pretty much dead.
― Eric H., Saturday, 5 January 2008 00:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
ya that's somethin.
― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 January 2008 00:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
And Toshiba cancelled (or at least postpones) their CES press conference? God, this is really bad for HD-DVD. I really wish I hadn't stupidly bought a player a couple months ago when they were doing their warehouse-is-on-fire sales. At least I've only bought a couple discs beyond the freebies.
― Eric H., Saturday, 5 January 2008 09:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
if you got one for cheap you will probably be able to scoop up tons of good movies when the format dies. i mean, even if you didn't get one for cheap. the point is, you'll probably get your money's worth.
― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 January 2008 19:43 (5 years ago) Permalink
and some studios are still HD-DVD only, so it's not going to be obsolete for a while
― milo z, Saturday, 5 January 2008 19:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
Suppose HD-DVD dies. And a Blu-ray costs just as much as the DVD equivalent. Will there still be a reason for consumers to go Blu-ray?
Unless computers start making all their built-in optical disc drives Blu-ray *and* DVD compatible, and/or offer cheap portable Blu-ray readers/burners, Blu-ray is going to have to eat money for a long time.
...
I mean I still see many kids on buses use CD walkmans. It's not as if iPods have really "won" yet either, ya know?
― Mackro Mackro, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
^^^Wut
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
they're saying apple might start putting blu-ray in macs as early as this season.
― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
Blu-Ray is HD. Regular DVDs are not.
― milo z, Saturday, 5 January 2008 23:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I was thinking of pawning off my HD-DVD player, but that was just crazy talk off the initial shock of the announcement. I'd only do it if I was a gamer and wanted a PS3 anyway, which I sort of don't.
― Eric H., Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:40 (5 years ago) Permalink
i'm glad we could talk you down.
― s1ocki, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
Haha
― Eric H., Sunday, 6 January 2008 01:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
I do have to say this will probably curb any future HD-DVD buying for now.
― Eric H., Sunday, 6 January 2008 01:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
lol @ warner brothers rescuing the playstation 3
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 January 2008 01:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=friS4OOcdgQ
^^^ lol
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 22:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
Even I have to admire the bloodshed today with both Best Buy and Netflix effectively telling HD-DVD to fuck itself.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 05:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm glad this all seems to be coming to an end, hopefully people will start flocking to Blu-Ray and the prices will eventually drop to my affordable range.
I'm actually a little surprised that the clearly (or so I'm told by film geeks and tech-heads) superior format actually one this battle. I still remember my parents' dismay at the Betamax fiasco.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 05:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
Blu-Ray is not the clearly superior format.
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 07:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
so they're still going to be regionally coded? Fuck THEM
Fuck them ALL
― Ste, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 11:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
fuck it anyway -- dvd is fine as is. regional coding is a big pain in the arse, about half of my dvds are from outside of my region, and i have a six sense-type feeling that blu-rays will be harder to hack than my venerable five-year-old samsung.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 11:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'll confess to not knowing a whole lot about either format as far as specs go, but every person I know whose opinion I really trust when it comes to these types of things swears that Blu-Ray is much, much preferred to HD.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 13:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
it's preferred but not better
^^^this
― DG, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 13:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
eh downloads will win in the end
― jhøshea, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
not really
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
for the foreseeable future "hd" downloads are so compressed that they're not gonna look much different than dvd.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
Back in the day you'd never have seen that detail on the big screen, what with all the cigarette smoke in the theatre, everyone blurry eyed through being stoked up on whisky and gin since breakfast.
― ●-● (ledge), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Misread this as "Showing my wife Finding Nemo on Blu-Ray was how I conceived her" etc etc
― ‘Neuroscience’ and ‘near death’ pepper (Eazy), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think the (kinda jarring at first) details one picks up on like makeup, wrinkles, obviousness of studio sets vs. location shots in a sequence, etc. become less distracting the more you watch. Also, if the film is just plain engaging these things do fade into the b-ground. Some of my SD DVD's upres'd thru my new blu setup look great as well, esp. Criterion stuff (later Melville, b+w Renoir).
― Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
However all the stuff I burned from 700 mb avi's originating off some c. 1983 vHS - many of my favorite films like hard to find Rivette/Tourneur/etc. - looks like blobby shit.
― Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyone seen any good Blu Rays lately?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
Do you mean films that are good in themselves, or stuff that shows off the blu medium as well? If the latter then Hugo looks fabulous, as do Melancholia and the Tron set with old and new; Tron Legacy in particular is stunning. Don't know if you're multi-region equipped for blu, but the Criterion BBS Story boxset is *fantastic* and seeing stuff like Head and Easy Rider in glorious grain-heavy HD, with uncompressed audio is a total treat too.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Peeping Tom looks amazing on Blu-ray. Along with Alien, that's the one that has really stood out for me.
― DavidM, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Road Warrior bluray is pretty a+
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Star Trek reboot looks amazing on blu-ray.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
otm
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, Alien is one I saw recently that was most O_O. Beautiful.
― circa1916, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Some recent purchases that look great: "Mysteries Of Lisbon", "Ronin", "Kuroneko", "Seven Samurai", "Excalibur".
― Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
There is a simply AMAZING slapfight going on at Jeff Wells's "Hollywood Elsewhere" over the upcoming Criterion Rosemary's Baby blu-ray disc and the proper aspect ratio for the film: http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2012/07/criterion_cleav.php (It's being mostly propagated by Glenn Kenny.)
(Note: Wells has not called anyone "fat" yet, but "fascist" has been busted out nearly a dozen times.)
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 14:25 (10 months ago) Permalink
Yeah that whole thing is v entertaining!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:02 (10 months ago) Permalink
I'm purple-faced with rage. I've got stomach acid. I'm spitting saliva on the rug.
lol jesus
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:10 (10 months ago) Permalink
Who cares? It's not 48 fps so it'll suck.
― StanM, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:15 (10 months ago) Permalink
I liked when Wells got in a tizzy over the Anatomy of A Murder edition and how someone at Criterion dug up a photo taken from the audience perspective at the film's original premiere that proved they were using the correct A.R. and uploaded it to Facebook.
― Don't Feel Like Santana, But Oye Como Va To Them (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:56 (10 months ago) Permalink
Wells admits he was misinformed, talks about steak, harasses a widow
― Don't Feel Like Santana, But Oye Como Va To Them (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:18 (10 months ago) Permalink
Oddly enough, the actual ratio was 1:1
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:22 (10 months ago) Permalink
all the reality shows out there and THIS isn't televised
priorities
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:31 (10 months ago) Permalink
haha, was Wells called a fascist by Polanski?
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2012/07/letter_to_polan.php
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2012 01:40 (10 months ago) Permalink