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Pash, I like the other forum, so I don't really want a load of ppl going there to cause havoc for him.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

BNP's never made any progress in Scotland but it has a potential power base amongst Loyalists/ Orangemen

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I figured that was the case pink, don't worry abt it please!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

that's what i'm thinking... hence the reason that i want to hear more about this rather than people just yelling the usual kneejerk calum-abuse (not that it isn't normally absolutely understandable). and why is wanting to find out about the stuff that bothers me a "nasty little cause"? i'd like that explained, too.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the problem here Dave is Calum's other thread du jour 'can women be trusted to vote'.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Being a racist in Scotland is interesting if you also happen to be a Scottish Nationalist - you can hardly vote for the BNP can you? You just vote SNP instead!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave - my area is actually full of retired people, and some youngsters but not many. It's not somewhere I'd have expected the BNP to rise up - especially since we have only about 4 shops and one is run by Pakistani family who are awfully nice and their shop has never been subjected to vandalism or grafitti or anything that might indicate a "warning sign". But then again, the place I live is sandwiched between two bigger, cosmopolitan towns and I'm thinking that the BNP campaigning may have spilled over to the village. But I never thought they got much credence in Scotland.

P.S. SNP is hardly a racist party.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't say the SNP was racist just that racists vote for it

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I'd argue that as well.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

go on then

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember when my sister - who likes in glasgow - was really upset when her so-called "left-leaning" scotnat "friend" got pissed up and started haraunging her - "all scotland's problems are because of sassenach cunts like you" etc etc. FFS. Petty nationalism = teh sukc.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Just on the basis of knowing/ have known a lot of SNP voters I suppose.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

well, the bnp have been working in rural areas and small towns for quite a while.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Well is being anti-English racist? If so, plenty of SNP voters are racists

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I would say that many Scottish people feel angry towards the idiots down South who voted for four consecutive Tory governments, at the expense of us (who REALLY felt the brunt of it). If the Southerners weren't caring about what was going on up here, should Scottish people not have a right to vote for an independent country? (I say this without having any allegiance to the SNP BTW).

But I'm not sure SNP voters are anti-English any more than Tory voters are anti-Scottish (though I'd say that Tory voters have invariably never been outside Southern England).

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus, the postman delivered a bunch of election pamphlets thee other day, incl uk|p and b|\|p bumf (it went straight in the bin) he was royally fucked off abt delivering such stuff & said that last year he'd pitched all the racist stuff in a ditch. This year, head office watched them a bit more closesey. At the same time, letter deliveries in the uk are fukced up, as in these bike parts i ordered last week too 8 days to arrive from gosport, yet the postman is delivering election pamphlets wtf?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Racist can vote for it. It is a Nationist Party. Scotland for the Sots. Now it may be primarily racist against the English, but nationalist parties tend to have some sort of ethnocentric bias which is easily assiminlated into a racist mindview.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Again, I didn't say all SNP voters were anti-English, most of them aren't, some of them certianly are.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Don't patronise me" - biggest pot/kettle juxtaposition EVAH! How many times have you waltzed on to a thread and rubbished it?

Calum, if you're not happy about the BNP standing, vote against them and encourage others to vote against them. Stop ranting like a Daily Mail editorial.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Calum, if you're not happy about the BNP standing, vote against them and encourage others to vote against them.

100% OTM there, barry!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

But until North Sea Oil and the advent of Thatcher, the vast majority of SNP voters were good old fashioned Anglophobes. They weren't nicknamed the Tartan Tories for nothing.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"sots"?!

I recall reading a single article some years ago about how there was severe colour-of-skin based racism in Scotland, both in the cities and outside them. Its argument was that it wasn't spoken about because no-one wanted to make a noise about it esp since the people who might have made a noise about it are happy with the image of Scotland as a sound left-leaning country. But I've never seen anything similar since, was it a load of made-up nonsense?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Daily Mail in anti BNP shocker?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(though I'd say that Tory voters have invariably never been outside Southern England)

you should take a look at the stats before making such general assumptions, the north of england, particularly areas of the north west, was, and in parts still is, a bastion of support for the tories.

― Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't patronise people by saying "you obviously have brains" because in many cases i'm not sure that's true. i just tell them they're talking bollocks.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

It wasn't nonsense Tim, I certainly wasn't surprised by it in spite of the "Aren't we all great and friendly" rubbish you're bombarded with in Scotland - mega xpost!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

and if you have a problem with calum's other thread, address it there rather than screwing up one that couuld grow to be interesting.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't like the use of the term 'racism' with regards to Scottish v English and vice versa but perhaps it's pedantic

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

and tim, i've found scotland to be virulently racist when i've worked there. anti-english sentiment is not racist, it's regionalist and also has some grounds thanks to the powerstructure of the past few hundred years.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

That's sour.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't consider Glasgow and its environs to have anything to do with the rest of Scotland. Where's Robbie Lumsden when you need him?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

and if you have a problem with calum's other thread, address it there rather than screwing up one that couuld grow to be interesting.
Was just guessing as to ppl's hostility Dave. Ppl's opinions may be that they have given him enough chances. This is not my opinion, but I understand if it is the opinion of other posters.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i've at times felt more uncomfortable being chinese in scotland than in england. but that may well be irrational, and it could be an away from home thing, esp since it's never an issue around where i live. and maybe because i mostly end up in bars with a lot of very drunk old people while in scotland.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

that was to markelby, pink

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

it's always very difficult to take CRW seriously on ILX because of the majority of threads he has started. that's not to say this particular thread shouldn't be taken seriously.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

you can take the subject seriously without necessarily taking crw seriously. in fact the latter is impossible anyway.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevem otm here.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

thoust kannst not taketh seriousthly one whom doth talkth shit.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

well it doesn't exactly encourage him to start making decent threads if people just trash hime WITH THE VERY FIRST POST on threads that could be half decent, steve

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

and dave s otm

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

thoust kannst not taketh seriousthly one whom doth talkth shit.

well that's all of us screwed, then

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Scotland = White, Presbyterian, Dour Hardworking Miserable Tight-fisted Cunts
Greater Glasgow = Catholics, Asians, Chinese, Fun-loving Fops

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

.. with two branches of Fopp?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

smee to thread, obv.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

you forgot the drunks

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes and the fucked up N.E.D.s hassling you for money.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

anywy, i'm just curious why the bnp would be trying to make inroads in scotland when the country has a much more palatable "brand" of nationalism that's a lot more successful. you'd have thought this would be the last place they'd go.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

then again it's always been seen as an "english" nationalist party anyway, so maybe they're trying to break down borders, be inclusive!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Pash: non-executive directors?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Like I say Dave, they have a potential powerbase with Loyalists - those guys love Britain and the Queen more than you lot.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

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― lee b, Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps Mr Brooker has encountered people on a council estate before that he felt were scumbags based on their attitude and behaviour - a horrible generalisation is sadly implied but otoh it's not a big leap, certainly not for the purposes of the 'joke' at hand. i agree too much about locking Trisha away to find it that offensive.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I like her.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 30 May 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Backtracking a bit to the Sightbill asylum seeker discussion, a point that seems to have been missed is that there was a large amount of very cheap, empty housing available in the Sighthill/Springburn area because local residents would rather have stayed on the waiting list for something nicer than go into the tall flats (not surprising - although they've been done up a bit on the insides, the outsides are covered in supposedly pigeonproof netting and caked-on shit from the birds that made it through to roost on the balconies and when it rains the car park turns into a lake).

As far as I'm aware, there is not such a surplus of accommodation in Milngavie.

― Madchen (Madchen), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone who appears on Trisha gives their demographic a bad name or risks appearing a cornholio prolio - it's kind of in the rules.

Madchen, it's always amazed me just how urgently needed and desirable high-rise flats suddenly become, usually by people who've turned down similar housing, when asylum seekers move into them.

― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
We got one of those B|\|P leaflets through the door with all the other election rubbish, the irony of it did not escape us….

As for the Royal Mail delivering this crud, well that’s the biggest irony of all, if only they’d done that last time around!

― Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

hi plinky.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, hello RJG...

― Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it is a huge worry that racism seems to be on the increase thanks to Blunkett/ tabloid fueled paranoia about immigrants. It also, on the flip sides, puts the liberal press on the defensive meaning that ANY sort of valid debate about issues regarding religion (be it the suppresion of women/ circumcision et al) gets thrown out the window as taboo. So no one wins.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Stelfox and Mark C = perfect additions to a Calum thread

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Can we bump Carmody's "I was watching videos of black men being lynched the other day, and that happened to remind me of Stelfox" thread?

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

God I was a dick.

― Mark C, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, everything was overheated by then!

― Mark G, Friday, 6 July 2007 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exbnp-activist-recruiting-prisoners-to-join-alqaida-851592.html

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:02 (fifteen years ago) link

"If you can get someone that's so right-wing to be converted, then a normal prisoner is going to have absolutely no chance."

lololololololololololololol

― DG, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Nice to see some sympathy for the BNP upthread.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:14 (fifteen years ago) link

God I was a dick.

-- Mark C, Friday, July 6, 2007 9:57 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

lawl

― banriquit, Saturday, 21 June 2008 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

my local asshole threatens national asshole with death

― Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link

How are these clowns doing in Barking btw? Anyone seen any polls on that constituency?

― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link

According to...ahem...a Daily Mail article by Peter Oborne - "Local opinion polls show that BNP leader Nick Griffin stands an excellent chance of unseating veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge". Don't know where he's getting his info from though.

― Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link

... inside his head

― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link


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