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Taking Sides: Third Eye Blind vs. Sugar Ray

Actually, this isn't a real 'TS'. I know that when people lapse into sputtering profanity, they've given up their cred credibility and their cool vanishes in the face of their incomprehension, so it's not really going to make me look any less retarded than I already do, but curiosity is killing this cat so here goes: WHO THE FUCKETY-FUCKING FUCK BUYS THIS GODDAMNED FUCKING SHIT? WHO ARE THESE FUCKHEADS? HOW DID THIS SORT OF FUCKING SHIT GET TO EXIST? WHO THE FUCKETY-FUCKING FUCK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PIG VOMIT? HOW WAS IT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN THAT AFTER A CENTURY OF POPULAR AMERICAN MUSIC, YEARS OF FUSION AND UPHEAVAL AND CULTURE AND INEXPLICABLE ERUPTIONS AND EVERYTHING ENDED UP WITH THIS....THIS....FUCKETY-FUCKING SHIT! IS THERE A NAME FOR THIS KIND OF FUCKING SHIT? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK POSSESSED THESE FUCKERS TO WRITE AND RECORD THIS WORTHLESS SHIT AND WORSE YET, WHAT MAKES STUPID FUCKING ASSHOLES BUY AND LISTEN? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH AMERICANS ANYWAY? EVEN CREED HAS THE CHRISTER THING GOING ON AS THEIR LAME ATTEMPT AT HAVING AN IDENTITY, BUT THESE SHITHEADS HAVE NOTHING GOING FOR THEM WHATEVER! AND I BET THEIR FANS ARE THE SAME! WHY DON'T YOU KILL THEM? FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!

Seriously, I'm curious, what festering, maggot-ridden, loose rectal orifice did these severed tapeworm parts fall out of?
-- dave q (scrape10...), January 15th, 2002.

geeta (geeta), Monday, 10 March 2003 04:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

TS: Joy Division vs. Flipper (hint - FLIPPERFLIPPERFLIPPER!!!)

(For the remainder of this post I will replace the names 'Flipper' and 'Joy Division' with appropriate substitutes)

Band/fans thing solved definitively - who would you rather be stuck in an airline seat next to, somebody wearing a 'Charlie Tuna' friendly line-drawing t-shirt or the ubiquitous jagged-pancake-stack 'Comfort Women' one? (Either that or the Vatican postcard one?) Admit it, by now any sane person will run away from somebody wearing the 'Srebenica Serb Spunk Spitfire' top, even an MSP 'Teenage Revolutionary Glam Suicide' one is less embarassing. It's a mystery why there's so many more of the 'Doctor (Mengele) & the Medics' ones about though - 'Cetacean' invented 'emo' (which I don't care about except in the context of this sentence, i.e. 'it exists') and 'grunge' ("Life" ripped "Spirit of Radio" ten years before "Teen Spirit" did "More Than a Feeling" - important due to suggesting classic rock/underground crossover that was necessary for subsequent alteration of rock landscape i.e. people BUYING stuff that 'sounded underground' even if it was underground stuff that sounded classic and the commercial angle is crucial IMHO because isn't expanding your community enough so that it crosses over or overlaps the whole point of making music that isn't just onanism in the first place? And sadly for some idealists, commercial success [even by proxy] is still the only reliable indicator of this and Brits have a real problem with that because it involves talking about MONEY and that's a sore point as none of them HAVE any, so as a defense mechanism they prefer heroic [ha] failures like Nick Drake or Ian Curtis and use their supposed interestingness to prop up their own fatalism, the socialism of an apolitical age), whereas 'Nazi Sex Torturers' invented - Marion? 'Phlegmish'? (As in 'mucus', not that country that shelters terrorists and pedophiles) (OK there's been enough justified slating of Curtis' hilarious Kermit the Frog singing, so let's look elsewhere for 'Liebensraum''s musical features - hey, y'know those dopey bass players who say, 'They're like guitars but easier - less strings!' And then play like it IS a guitar, i.e. no rhythm whatever, just disconnected notes, like an especially slow and maladroit J Mascis solo, except an octave lower? 'SS Party Squad' made a 'sound' out of it! 'Little Mermaid' OTOH did the grinding thing AND the fast thing [Sequencing "Living for the Depression" next to "Sex Bomb", aside from being like if Coltrane out "Giant Steps" and "Ascension" out on the same album in 1959, presaged both 'hardcore'-via-'mathcore'-to-what hardcore became (i.e. 'space drone' etc.) but as in the 'emo' and 'grunge' things, they can't be blamed for those either if you don't like them but must be credited if you liked ANY of it! Heh] and if you like flawed, imperfect singing and playing (the 'Battery Cage Sex Slaves' fan's last line of defense) then 'Free Willy''s got out-of-tune Harry Partch guitarrs, cacophonous yelling and the least Neil Peart-like drumming since Kleenex but all this is actually mixed in with other stuff ("...Depression" is quite tight high-speed mathcore) and the incompetent bits are done far more energetically and (ahem) HOOK-y than the muffled, it's-COLD-in-here-let's-play-wearing-baseball-mitts stuff on 'Institutional Gang Rape''s records. Energetic maybe because 'Moby Dick' sang "Life is the only thing worth living for", and Curtis said it all with the first line of 'Unknown (ha) Pleasures (double ha)' - "I'M LOOKING FOR A GUIDE TO TAKE ME BY THE HAND" - I see, he wants his mommy. (Or his 'nanny state' - WHOAH! I didn't say that, I get in enough shit as it is, ignore that) Then again, this kind of babyishness isn't surprising for somebody who killed himself rather than face the consequences of abandoning his wife and child, but an artist's moral shortcomings aren't important, it's that he couldn't even transform his inadequacy into one decent line. ("Atrocity Exhibition" - wow, stealing titles from hip books and writing lyrics betraying no reading whatever of said book, that's so Iron Maiden. Actually I think "Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" just unwittingly reiterates everything I've ever said about the British but here's not the time or place) And yes I know that 'Miami Mascot''s Will Shatter is a dead junkie, but between him and Curtis I know who would've given a more honest answer to this fabulous couplet question (courtesy of 'Legendary SF punk band named for TV dolphin') - "EVER THINK YOU'RE SMART/ AND THEN FIND OUT YOU'RE NOT?"
-- dave q (scrape10...), July 11th, 2002.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 05:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

So many of these are amazing. He's long been one of my favorite posters but seeing all the stuff together drives it home.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 March 2003 05:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

LP, CD and cassette of every Roxy Music album, plus the box set. LP, CD and cassette of Breeders' 'Last Splash', CD replaced three times. All formats of Bowie's 'Diamond Dogs', Stones''Black and Blue', Motley Crue's 'Shout at the Devil'. Most frequent r-purchase is 'Hounds of Love', which is weird because I don't listen to it very much. Most of these re-purchases occured while drunk, and intense need to listen to certain tracks combined with impatience with looking for old copy. ("What, so buying another one is easier?" Welcome to the wonderful world of alcoholism)
-- dave q (scrape100...), May 22nd, 2002.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 March 2003 05:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

First, "Looks that Kill" sounds a bit similar to "TV Eye". Beatwise, fumbly-gtr-lead wise. "Red Hot" is a also close in feel to "1970" as well, let's go to a dangerous party where bad stuff might happen. That's the similarities. Diffs.? OK. Iggy was an educated guy from a liberal college town who was into free jazz and performance art and Jim Morrison, the Stooges took psychedelic drugs to reach their 'cosmic O-mind'[remember this] and the extent of their rebellion was that they hated Alvin Lee. Nikki Sixx was a fuckup from nowhere who wanted to be in Social Distortion and TSOL. (What's more 'rock'?) The Stooges sang about sex and violence but they weren't really evil, they were just celebrating the new freedoms and loveliness of a world where the huge population of teenagers would see to it that people would quit doing dull old jobs and wars and marriages and instead kick out the jams all day long and fuck everybody in sight!!! Motley Crue sang about sex and violence in a world where everybody's parents had absolved all responsibilities and were now crackheads and bikers who pimped their kids until the kids were old enough to run away from home and start bands like Social Distortion and TSOL. 'Shout at the Devil' is NOT party rock. It's an amazingly bitter album. "Now I'm killing you, watch your face turning blue." "Out go the lights, in goes my knife, pull out his life, consider that bastard dead." All the old Stooges fans shook their heads. "Sure, Iggy sang about that stuff too, but it was about existential-rage-for-life, not Motley's cheap, crass exploitation." Well who exactly created the cheap crass world Motley came from, boomer shit? Free sex-n-drugs don't look so good when it's your mom indulging in same now, does it? Iggy hated cops because they were part of a huge monolith that silenced the wisdom of John Sinclair and had the temerity to impose draconian $10 fines on Ann Arbor potheads. Nikki Sixx hated cops because the LAPD likes to beat the shit out of anybody they see, particularly punks and junkies who ended up on the street because their revolutionary-generation parents put their new freedom and assertiveness in action and dumped the kids when they got in the way of their porno-film/crank-dealing business. (Motley/Nirvana = Pistols/Smiths?) (Back to sonics - compare side-closers, "Dirt" ["I'm lerrrning..." WHO FUCKING CARES! The reason everything's so fucked up is your generation was content to 'learn about themselves', forever] to "Danger" [they rip off Judas Priest where Iggy rips off ALbert Ayler, who is more 'honest'?], and also, Mick Mars session-frustration might be less 'rock' than Ron Asheton's drug-frustration but it sounds kind of similar in the end except with a squeaky trebly grating tone instead of that thick pretty chewy Asheton thing - in fact, Mars sounds more like James Williamson) THe Stooges = hippies and a poet who protested too goddam much, and however much they bragged about being stupid (tip-off), you can't imagine any of them losing in Scrabble to Tommy Lee, could you? (Also re the Morrison thing - Vince Neil's fat, slobbering, drunk vehicular menace is truer to the Lizard King's spirit than any rippling torso. RIPPLING TORSOS! Since when is that a good thing? Since Iggy!) Final seal of argument (for dave q if nobody else) - the Stooges could, under a certain light, MAYBE pass for being English. The Crue never, ever, ever, ever could be mistaken for being English in a million years. Therefore they are both more 'rock' and 'better'. Too bad they only made one good album, but then, the Zakary Thaks only made one SINGLE and that was enough.
-- dave q (scrape100...), July 25th, 2002.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 March 2003 05:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mr. Q, while your genius is certified (and certifiable), PLEASE use that rectangular key w/ the hitched arrow in the middle row of your undoubtedly ergonomic keyboard more than once a spiel. My eyes thank you in advance.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 March 2003 06:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave Q is one of the few posters I don't wish posted more or less, his wit is perfectly spaced.
Homegro could learn alot from this wonderful example.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 10 March 2003 06:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

jbr: haha my friend chris is in a bikini in the april fool's issue of MRR!
geeta: ahahhaha!!
geeta: dave q in a bikini=urgent and key

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 06:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dear MRR - I can't believe you printed a whole interview with those assholes Rusty Speculum. Everyone here in Turdwater knows what they're REALLY like - fucking macho jerks! I'm sick of so-called 'libertarians' defending your 'right' to publicise the antics of the latest jocks-with-guitars to rip off dumb suburban 'punk' kids (read EMp-Tee-Vee Clones) but as somebody who's seen them close up, I've gotta stand up and say something!
Ask anyone in Podunkville what the guitar player said when he broke a string in soundcheck. (Even HAVING soundchecks is a bit Green Day!) "Son of a bitch, I broke a string!" Me and Starla and Tigrette had been hanging around ALL DURING the soundcheck, so it's not like they didn't notice we were there before using the ultimate sexist insult (and yes, to all those so-called 'feminists' 'reclaiming the B-word' - this WAS guys saying it, remember?) - LET ALONE INTO THE MIC!!!
That day, I realised Rusty Speculum were just more sexist, racist PIGS!! They have no respect for their audience or society in general! There's already Maxim and Blender for stupid suburban white boys to read but why do you need to promote this kind of shit in MRR?
-- xBitch!x, Turdwater, Vt (scrape10...) (webmail), March 1st, 2003

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 March 2003 06:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

(somehow I never put together that tarden = dave q)

bnw (bnw), Monday, 10 March 2003 07:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

A recent gem:

I really fuckin' resent my ancestors (not in a P Larkin way, altho that too, have sex w/ me & I'll tell you all about it). I mean picture the scene 70 skidillion yrs ago somewhere in Africa. "Hey we're moving." "Where to?" "Some GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING PLACE WHERE IT'S COLD ALL THE FUCKING TIME! It's great, see, you have to spend loads of money on extra clothes, going out is torture, even staying IN is torture because even though we'll be coming back periodically to raid oil it still won't be enough to keep our fuckin' skyrise jerry-built little hovels fuckin' warm because nothing will be insulated properly! Everybody will be depressed and coughing and frostbitten and just wanting to fuckin' hibernate but instead we'll get to go to work every fuckin' day for the privilege of not fuckin' freezing to death! Cool huh?" "Umm.." "Wait it gets better! Half of the heating budget will go to leaving the water heater on all night and even then come morning there'll only be enough hot water out of the tap to fill a motherfucking piss bottle so everybody will be walking around even more depressed and violent cuz they're unshaven and look and smell like shit all the time!"

Why the goddamn FUCK did these idiots populate this fucking wasteland? Is this any way to live? (OK I'm 1/4 Hungarian which makes me some kind of pseudo-chink or something ["Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid, unhappier than you & me!"] but what's everybody else's excuse? (Embracing-dark-side dept., maybe that's why I don't really 'get' the historically pacifist [heh] Brits mass-demo'ing 'we're sorry about that other shit we won't raid yr oil no more' [not to mention trying to convince the world for the last 50 yrs that you're really a bunch of conscience-stricken commies] - doesn't convince me - it is in your natures. Repeat after me, "We are assholes who want to kill everybody and steal their shit but don't worry we will get our just deserts, ie annihilation, and it was all our own fault for MOVING TO A GIANT MEAT LOCKER" feels good doesn't it but the craven cowering in the face of cosmic destruction doesn't SUIT you, although if somebody can figure out how to keep a cup of coffee HOT for the space of time it takes to drink the fucker then maybe the prospect of WW3 would aggravate me a bit more (World responds - "You NEED more coffee?" Uh, sorry...)
-- dave q (scrape10...), February 19th, 2003

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 March 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ronan, do you mean to say you could have a good time in a Macedonian refugee camp as well? Because that would be about the same as this crumbling entropic abattoir of a city, which boasts more drunken thugs and coke-addled media arseholes per square inch than anywhere in Europe, possibly Earth.

Although, on days when I don't actually have to work, I quite enjoy the place for just wandering aimlessly, you find something new all the time. Every tube stop seems like a different country, which is good, you can escape without escaping. Also, I don't think I could ever live in a monocultural city ever again after living here, it would seem so arid and dull in comparison.

If ILE is to be remembered through the ages, it's most stunning achievement may be that it induced me to say something nice about London. What's happening to me...
-- dave q (scrape10...), August 31st, 2001.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 March 2003 09:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave, are you telling me those threshing, gobbing, pogoing punks, 90% male, deeply neurotic, dressed in bin liners, happy to agree with Lydon that sex was 'two and a half minutes of squelching noises', poised on the cusp of turning Punk into the semi-fascist Oi, were in fact warm- blooded mammals just trying, in their way, to 'get it on' with the opposite sex?
-- Momus (nic...), August 31st, 2001.

"Two and a half minutes"? Christ, what am I, Superman on Viagra?
-- dave q (scrape10...), August 31st, 2001.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 10 March 2003 09:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

What is the greatest country in the world? (5 matching messages)


Russia - hundreds of years of perfecting every conceivable sort of human misery, and they're still coming up with new ones, which is some sort of achievement.
-- dave q (scrape10...), September 28th, 2001.

geeta (geeta), Monday, 10 March 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

a v funny and incredibly knowledgeble person who listens widely and comes up with all sorts of insights and a damn fine writer as well.

I love his sense of humour too.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 March 2003 09:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

(alt q - 'Diet consisting 100% of instant coffee and marijuana, C or D?') :)

Thanx ppl - shall be sadly absent from board over next sort while while I finish 'Donna Summer project'. (Actually, see 'stoner rock' thread on ILM for the true facts...)

dave q, Monday, 10 March 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

the infamous "Hong Kong Electrobutt"

I've got a CD by Kelly Chen and the only thing that isn't in Chinese is the release date (1999), it's the one with the poster in it. HK pop ROOLS! Maybe somebody could tell me more about this CD because I can't read Cantonese!

Defn. 'electrobutt' - the ultimate 80s working-class art form. Think Berlin ('Top Gun' period), Pat Benatar, Loverboy, Billy Squier (whose 'Emotions in Motion' is a lost classic for ANY era!) - buttrock for people who actually talked to GURLZ! Syndrums, VERY processed distortion buried in the mix, ballads with piano/synth/gtr lines in unison. This music owed quite alot to Prince (aforementioned buried-metal, the 'squiggly' kybds, electro-slap bass in place of plodding AOR bass), and in turn, was the source of the mesh-top/legwarmer thing that allowed Madonna to burst out of the NYC art-dance ghetto into the hearts of Middle America (from whence she [AND Prince] came) - "Burnin' Up" is a veritable homage to this most forgotten of forms - forgotten everywhere but MTV Asia it seems - I'll get to that in a minute - but first, if Madonna made the style OK, then it was transmuted into ART by...(drum roll)...

BILLY IDOL. The ultimate electro-cruising music with (crucially) cheeze-metal on top - everybody who was raving about crap like 'Graceland' and 'So' and 'Dream of the Blue Turtles' should've moved their Reeboks down to the 7-11 and stuck their ear in the Camaro with the GURLZ in the front seat, because if they heard 'Rebel Yell' they would've heard the most plasticky-beautiful glowing neon fake-genuine rockin' disco EVER! "Flesh for Fantasy", Jesus! And the next album, 'Whiplash Smile', has a six-minute symphony that's the "River Deep Mountain High"/"Stairway to Heaven"/WHATEVER-you-use-to-mean-apotheosis ("Don't Need A Gun") and other stuff that's equally good. But did anyone notice, besides the kids who were too smart for Maiden but still not dessicated/prematurely senile enough for Sting? NO! Because these crits were wetting themselves over the latest David Byrne or Sinead O'Connor atrocity, that's why! Fuck them!

Anyway, Kelly Chen! Here's the info and anyone who knows can tell me more! Track 1 is a Prince-like thing, where Kelly sounds like Sheena Easton. Track 4 is an absolutely swell soft-metal ballad, the only words in English being "You Don't Have to Say Goodbye", with those half-step time changes before the chorus like Erasure, and it's easily as good as if not better than "Take My Breath Away" (Berlin's and possibly Rex Smith's). Track 7 is the contempo one, it starts off with 10 seconds of drum'n'bass, then turns into this Hi-NRG thing that sounds really anguished about I know not what. It's got that mad effect where it pans from left to right with every syn-drum (yes, SYN-DRUM, not 'programmed', this ain't IDM!), like I haven't heard anyone do since some of the mixes of New Order's 'Round and Round'. Then it stops and does the d'n'b thing again. Track 11 MUST be heard. In the only other English text on the sleeve, it's called the "Kelly Mix" of Track 1, and it is weird. A half-assed Casio beat, synth horns, the vocal vaguely shoehorned into this rhythm, and a Devo-like mutant surf guitar louder than everything repeating the same lick all through the song. But all produced IMMACULATELY, which makes all the difference!

If ANYBODY can tell me more about this CD, Kelly, or HK pop, please do so! Even all the websites are in Cantonese. And if you want to discuss the genius of Billy Idol feel free to do that too!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tracer, I had just copied that and was about to post it! I think that's when I first fell in love with dave q.

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I had no answer to this question until last night when a drunken flamate rolled in and put 'Abbey Road' on AGAIN, and I was lying in bed praying "PLEASE take it off before 'Octopus's Garden', it was like being a kid again and lying in bed dreading your alcoholic father returning home or something - then the fucking song came on, and I thought that once the fucking thing had started I would be able to withstand the pain but I couldn't, I just lay there shaking uncontrollably like I was in Room 101, and the drunken fucker was also SINGING ALONG to te fucking thing as well. For booby-trapping an otherwise pleasant, inoffensive record right in the middle of Side One with that, may they burn!
-- dave q (scrape10...), August 7th, 2001.

Aaron A., Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

dave q needs to write a book.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

if they had him rewrite the new testament I'd become a Christian!!

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

dave q needs to write a book.

Strangely enough I started writing a story where one of the characters is based on Dave Q, kind of. I don't really think I have captured the essence of Q yet, my writing is kind of disappointing.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

does he have a blog or anything?
some hilarious stuff upthread...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

dave q needs to write a book.

If I had the time, I'd compile all his posts and print them out. ULTIMATE bathroom read. (I can't pay a higher compliment.)

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://scrape.blogspot.com

dave is so right re. flipper and the crue it isnt even funny

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Drugs: C or D... or C, then D... now perhaps C again? (2 matching messages)

Crystalmethcrystalmethcrystalmethcrystalmethmakesyouwritealotsoifyouwantotengagecreativeimpulsesmotorneuronsfiringsynapsefillserotoninfirste ssentialssunlightNO!WHY!Sunlightagainmarkcalendardaysoffthreeweekswrit eontoiletrollswriteonbutcherspaperwritewriteuntillimbiccorticalamygdal acerebrationretinalpersistencecrystalmethcrystalmethcrystalmeth!YEAH!
-- tarden (scrape10...), July 7th, 2001.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just more fallen souls broken on the wheel of the innate reluctance of English ppl to sing without being all fuckin' silly about it. Neither the first or last. Kill 'em all and let the council sort 'em out. I started this post intending to say something nice about them, particularly "So Young". That is beautiful. Then I remembered that idiotic zoo-animal squeak he does at the beginning, for no reason I can fathom, and the dream evaporated. I honestly don't think there's ENOUGH bullying in Brit schools. ("Stay Together" is better than anything on OK Computer, true. OK Suede are better than Radiohead and always will be even if they all die tomorrow and Radiohead releases a record a day for the next 50 years, all different. Radiohead is all about 'becoming' as opposed to 'being'. They don't have 'it'. It's almost exhausting hearing the gears grind in their head with how hard they're trying. They've got the Brit paralysis of always attempting to negotiate the 'right' course [ie not the 'pleasurable' or 'necessary' one] even at the submolecular level. They probably think of their own records as 'pretty good, but with areas to be worked on'. Which is not rock, at all. Or even art. Suede probably forget what their old albums sound like, which is what artists+pop ppl both SHOULD do. OK I'm agreeing with you now, Suede will be seen in 10 years time like Mott or Butthole Surfers or some other band that really was pretty great. [Perhaps a less cliched way of saying 'albums that prove influential over time' is 'albums where there was complex and unorthodox thinking and methods that went into the details that are revealed over a lengthy period of listening which of course only can happen when the surface is attractive enough to encourage this type of analysis, ie the listener has enough purely selfish reasons [the only TRUE ones!] for listening to it a) over and over, or b) 10 years after it came out?'] And all you had to do was mention Radiohead. That did it. Radiohead will never ever be great. Twenty years from now their present fans will reminisce about their 'Radiohead' phase like ppl who were Iron Maiden fans in the 80s. Because Radiohead are all about audibly finding 'solutions'. Whereas wizards and true stars don't have 'problems' in the first place.

-- dave q, March 2nd, 2003

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Don't really like foreigners in your midst do you? Despite all the multiculti cant."

Have you ever been to Bristol, Dave?

chris sallis, Saturday, 15 March 2003 23:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Of course Dan would find fault with the Dead's brand of alterno- capitalism - he's a Richard Marxist!
-- dave q (scrape10...), July 24th, 2001.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 March 2003 07:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

TOP 5 WORST THINGS ABOUT LISTS

1. They encourage people to use the word 'anal', but not in a 'good' way. Use of the word 'anal' contributes to blind acceptance of bogus Freudian mythology that ppl seem to think is more valid than astrology for some reason.
2. They usually lack annotation. Come on, I want to see ppl 'show their work' as yr math teacher used to say!
3. One always forgets the killer list addition until 20 minutes after they've done it, then gets anxious about having misrepresented themselves.
4. Following on from 3, heavy pot users seem to have more difficulty with this than most.
5. Umm, nothing! List away! (btw I hate threads that criticise thread ideas. No like, no read. Oh wait I just did, shit)
dave q (scrape10...), March 29th, 2003 9:55 AM

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 29 March 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

His Chocolate Starfish review makes me feel less lonely.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 29 March 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

though his Sugar Ray review makes me feel sad

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 29 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

he's right, you know

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 29 March 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

where are the above mentioned reviews published?

robin (robin), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

the Sugar Ray is up on this thread somewhere. The Chocolate Starfish review is on a classic/dud thread he started for the album.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 30 March 2003 21:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh ok,i thought that you were referring to published reviews or something...cheers...

robin (robin), Sunday, 30 March 2003 22:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
'Vampires' - in the 'music-recast-as-horror-film' setup, there's also an equivalent to the 'extras playing corpses'(more like 'victims dispatched off-screen in the back-story), Pete Best's unluckier brothers - Best was famous for missing his chance to be famous, but fate was crueller to John Rutsey, John Mayhew, Wally Nightingale, Michelle Stevenson, Egyptian Prince,and Chris Hutton. (The undead - Keith Levene, Dick Taylor. [Alan Jardine = flatlined lab animal])

Mark - everyone knows about F Mac's encounter-group on wheels (fuck that, private jets),but their weird dynamics were already at high-tension levels way before the Buckingham/Nicks era - it was drugs and mental illness that featured in the Green/Spencer era, and perhaps a couple of Californian flower children were a cakewalk in comparison. I think a more interesting band to put to this kind of scrutiny would be Husker Du - I don't think the full story has ever come out. Also, do you think W. Marsalis imagines himself Completing the Arc of ALL OF JAZZ?

Tracer - there are quite a few examples from the 60s of attempts to forge new band models - think Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead (bohemian/preppie/academic/lowlife - later to contain both a married couple and a drummer who quit due to his manager/father embezzling from his own son's band),MC5, Sly & the Family Stone, etc. (In light of the 'Dictator' category, the prevalence of army brats (Buffalo Springfield, Doors)in the peace-n- love era is interesting. Steven Stills and Jim Morrison were both notorious for maintaining control through unpredictability, violence, and limitless capacities for mental and physical cruelty, and an Alpha Male sense of supremacy, qualities definitely not fashionable in the pre-Altamont daze - odd that their music remains among the most 'of its time' of these bands[I don't want to use the 'dated' epithet] - and like every bully, they both had weedy, introspective nerds as sidekicks/mascots. (Morrison always struck me as the school bully who would pants the classroom poet in front of all the girls when there were crowds around, but would corner the guy alone later with "I...um...wrote a song...it's about my feelings and stuff...". Stills, the jock who made your life a misery, until you see him 20 years later and he's a fat guy with a nowhere job and a wife who cheats on him and you have a beer with him, gloating inside at his endless complaints about the manager of the furniture retailer that employs him.)

Another 'power behind the throne' band? How about the Byrds?
-- tarden (scrape100@hotma....), June 16th, 2001.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 20 April 2003 08:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Velvet Goldmine' = the 'Pearl Harbour' of rock flics, what could've been just pointless, amateurish garbage raised to atrocity level by appropriation of half-digested 'real-life' details conflated with improbable and unbelievable events and distortions and given a bogus camp/lit gloss to further insult everybody a) who 'inspired' the flick b) everybody viewing. I cannot overstate how much I hated that bullshit fuckin' movie
-- dave q (scrape10...), April 18th, 2003. (later)

I liked that Tom Hanks one
-- dave q (scrape10...), April 18th, 2003. (later)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

amphetamines war hmmmm well it would seem 2 be at cross purposes because while altering neurotransmitters to maximise processing of information and enabling the autonomic nervous system to operate far above and beyond the capacity parameters applied to a normal existence ie one where the levels of input and necessity for reacting to same w/out recourse to the default noradrenalin position relatively constant notwithstanding psychological capacity adapting to fluid environmental conditions premise being cortical spheroid duality reflected balance equilibrium necessary for condition beneficial for limbic system bio-imperatives despite macro-situation referred to implicitly counter to ingrained systematic conditioning replicating pos-neg molecular activity enabling amino acid reactions tessarating carbon ring organic analogue which bring me back to the original point re circular movement form of eco-stasis parallelled via medulla sim. reflected oblongata reifying 'conflict' and while all this is going on you're trying to figure out how to fire some huge piece of metal they just gave you unconditionally external criteria redefined on basis coded by alphanumeric hierarchy system and that's how they got to be 'embedded' in the first place but do they know it themselves? Got any gum?
-- dave q (scrape10...), March 28th, 2003.

Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

that jim morrison comparison is spot on...

robin (robin), Sunday, 20 April 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Personal favourite song: People Get Ready - Mayfield said it straight: there's a train a-comin'...you don't need no baggage, you just get on board.
-- Tim Roxborogh (ti...), July 24th, 2001.

Dunno, I'd be suspicious if a train conductor insisted I didn't need any baggage. Like, where are we going, Belsen?
-- dave q (scrape10...), July 24th, 2001.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

from the kraftwerk v. devo thread

Devo, for updating that N'awlins groove. (Don't believe me? Where d'ya think 'Working in a Coal Mine' came from?) For being the missing link between the Ventures and Slipknot. For being known as an electro- synth-whatevah noowave unit but still having an incredibly great drummer. For "Uncontrollable Urge", "Gut Feeling", "Smart Patrol", "Snowball", "Girl U Want", "Through Being Cool", "Beautiful World", "Speed Racer", "Peek-a-Boo", "Be Stiff", "Turnaround", and every cover version they ever did. For being a noisier, trashier, funnier and more American version of Roxy Music.

Kraftwerk = hippies. I can see them driving their VW van through Morocco, everything. Their beautiful tunes ("Radioactivity") were beautiful but they didn't have any kick-ass tunes and are thus responsible for trance music and all those besieged chrome-domes screaming about how there's still NOIZE assaulting their poor calibrated eardrums, get rid of it now, it's all the fault of the rockist conspiracy etc etc etc. Actually, fuck Kraftwerk and everybody who followed them. (I still like "Radioactivity" though, but I think somebody should do a really shitty version of it)

-- dave q (scrape10...), January 21st, 2002 8:00 PM.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 19 June 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
from Kings of Leon thread:

PRIMAL SCREAM - Give Up But Don't Give Out *****

What's it called when you 'sample' stuff, except actually 'play' it? Let's invent a new word! 'Recordcollected'! By nature of what they 'recordcollect' here 'Give Up' is the crucible of TRUE FANS who may be admitted into the inner sanctum of the mystery of the PS constellation of reference points. By exposing it to the light and thus risking evaporation they instead justify their way of making records by making it seem like the LISTENER is a conundrum, ie if somebody doesn't 'like' them then that means they don't like their 'record collection'. But who but a really sad person would dislike somebody on that basis? That's the question PS are asking and they drop the first and last hint with the genius intro to "Jailbait" (y'know, the two drum intros), although burying the stellar "Struttin'" near the end is also a nice touch, if a bit cruel and malicious, but since when has that ever bothered me? A masterpiece.
-- dave q (scrape10...), July 16th, 2003.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 September 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
from "They Parted Ways with Nigel Godrich for This?"

'vocals should be louder' = 'i should stick to acoustic singer-songwriters'!! They are THE STROKES. See the 'S' on the end? Like it's a band, there's five of them and the voice in a band is another 'instrument'. The great thing about studios is you can mix them anyway you want! It's 'The Strokes', not 'Julian Casablancas Recites Poems in Tribute to Elliot Smith'!! I've spent so much time defending this record that I'm almost dreading actually hearing it, but these criticisms are just WEIRD! Like yer grandmother saying "b-b-but [asthmatic whine] I can't make out what he's s-s-saying!!!"
-- dave q (scrape10...), October 30th, 2003.


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See, they were 'tight' w/ the producer, so I assume they had some say in how it sounded. So to say 'I like the Strokes but not the production' makes no sense whatever! The production IS the band! Like saying, "Honey you're beautiful but you really need a fuckin' facelift!"
-- dave q (scrape10...), October 30th, 2003.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:29 (twenty years ago) link

Dave's advice column on "Proven By Science" has been the highlight of my week.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

Dave in general is a highlight of life. Why didn't he show up for the Wedding FAP? :-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

hail!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 31 October 2003 01:57 (twenty years ago) link

I will forever remember the words 'Oberheim OBX' because it was officially 'the FIRST APPEARANCE of a synthesiser on a Queen album'('The Game'). Not strictly 80s synth-pop I know but the first couple seconds of this disc is the most synth-qua-synth synthness of anything ever, it's like "WE ARE NOW CHAMPIONS OF THE SYNTH!!!" Just totally overbearing in that we're-the-first-to-every-use-this!!! overkill fashion. (It's the intro to "Play the Game" if anyone has the greatest hits compilation) Even better, it has nothing whatever to do with the rest of the song. The local minor-league hockey team used it as intro music for about 8 years, I think it took over from the '2001' theme, it's that kind of synthness
-- dave q (scrape10...), October 30th, 2003.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 08:48 (twenty years ago) link

Dave Q and Vic Fluro are my new Godz.

Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:14 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Pram makes the walls spin around really slow, and I have to go and lie down, it's a hot summer day and I'm age 7 and I have just eaten 16 scoops of pistachio. Because I had this idea that picking the flavour with the longest name would make me seem more sophisticated among my peer group. Good job I liked it, and this isn't an entirely unpleasant sickness, because it means I can go and lie down in the quiet room away from all of their silly banter, but they won't think I'm a wet or a sissy because they saw me eat all the ice cream. It's like a 'Rug Rats' version of 'Cool Hand Luke'
-- dave q (scrape10...), January 12th, 2002

etc, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

dave q to be interviewed by ME and MARK S on the radio!!!

broadcasting this Tuesday on Resonance 104.4 FM at 10pm GMT

podcast to be available here --> http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 24 April 2008 13:30 (sixteen years ago) link

this is GO

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 11:43 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

revive!!!!!

geeta, Sunday, 12 June 2011 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

KROKUS - Stayed Awake All Night

The Americans have spoken! The world will not be made smaller by computers but by grinding gears and great oil-burning engines. It’s not about security or secularisation, it’s about keeping the motorik running. The reason electronic pop music never became culturally dominant in the demonised heartland is that synth duos didn’t have large trucks loaded with equipment backing up to venues. The future was not designed by Kraftwerk but by Bachman-Turner Overdrive, although this 1983 BTO cover by a Swiss band incorporates “Metal on Metal”, except with volume-swell mirages evolving into a circular guitar pattern like the lights of the city coming into view after driving through the methamphetamine night. The DEA claims that “methamphetamine is attractive to people in rural communities because labs can be set up in abandoned barns”, when the real reason is that you have to drive about three hours to get anywhere! Those eerie green night-vision Iraq broadcasts are a good approximation of how rural people actually see things, especially during the nocturnal segments of their 96-hour days. The album this appears on is called ‘Headhunter’, and was apparently recorded at ‘Bee Jay Studios’!

--dave q, 2004

geeta, Sunday, 12 June 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

missed out on hearing sinker & dave q on the radio???? :(

ysi tracer?

brodie_odie_dope (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 12 June 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

think you have been praising him for some time, geeta

i've enjoyed all these revives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link

^Yes

brodie_odie_dope (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 12 June 2011 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

hey brodie - it's linked on this page (it's the story called "the red brain") -

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime/

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 June 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

got it thx Tracer

symbol of the paramount chaos (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 12 June 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

re: http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime

dave q has a great voice. drawly and swaggering, like a literate garfield. id expected a sharp quick snappy voice, quite surprised

NI, Monday, 1 August 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

(from The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald...)

in a sea of weed/ where everyone/ would love to drown
― dave q, Saturday, 28 August 2004 17:17 (8 years ago)

etc, Friday, 15 March 2013 05:41 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

From Molly Hatchet vs Lynyrd Skynyrd

I think Hatchet made a mistake when they switched producers from Frank Frazetta to Boris Vallejo. Thank God they never sunk to working with the brothrs Hildebrandt

― dave q, Friday, September 28, 2001 5:00 PM (11 years ago)

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 31 May 2013 01:05 (ten years ago) link

seriously though what happened to him? we were in touch for a while but that's a lifetime ago now, and he had the Virgin Killer piece in that Marooned book but where is Dave Q anyway

i assume he returned to the q continuum

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 31 May 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link

I'm in very irregular touch with one of his old bandmates, he might know.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

DQ on ZZ Top's Mescalero

Todavia Tres Hombres

Filthier than a buck-nekked dip in the Rio Grande downstream from a maquiladora. Filthier (in every sense; there's even a "motherfucker") than XXX, which itself was better than anything to come out of Japan since Locust Abortion Technician, if not "You're Gonna Miss Me." And that's no slight on the honorable Japanese, compañeros. They made cars once, but maquiladora is the new "industry." To quote Pigface—"Welcome to Mexico . . . Asshole!"

Mescalero is structured like a blues show with really old guys—unsurprisingly as the ZZ arc = Stones arc reversed (i.e., Deguello/El Loco/Eliminator = Exile/Bleed/Beggars). Except ZZ aren't "done" yet. (Next album = Reconquista!) The new album's first third is Afterburner-type stuff (i.e., "chords"), except with vocoders. Daft? Zizi! Then just when you're resigned to another Afterburner the constant involuntary-volume-raising starts, and you're like "Master of Sparks" Jeb Bush cranking the lever up and down. Then they bring back Alfredo Garcia's head, then "Dusted" "combines IDM and rock" a lot more effectively than some other popular bands I could name, then you take the Alamo and bless it in the name of the tres hombres and Billy says (over a Don Brewer-type drum solo—that is the genius of this record in particular, in that the '80s bits are like being in the '80s except better, and the '70s bits are exactly like the '70s bits that everybody probably missed because they'd passed out by the time J. Geils or ARS or whoever was opening finished), "Bitch took my liquor."

Jesus was actually going to New Orleans to talk to Mr. Trafficante, by the way. Heard it on the (Camp)X(Ray), when I was swimming to Cuba. From Mozambique. ZZ Frelimo!? How do they know about all this shit that went down, anyway? Well I think it's something sinister. They were the bikers at the Capitol Altamont, and if you don't feed them their liquor'n'dust ("Piece": "gimme a piece . . . gimme a piece . . . of YER LUUUUUUUVE"), the reconquista promised since the foreboding Rio Grande Mud(whose cover shows them wading across it) is gonna be muy ugggly. Quite a lot of Mescalero is in Spanish, which leads me to believe it will play a major role in Project Eliminator in the bloody early days of New Aztlan. Viva la muerte!

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 08:37 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Why Gordon Lightfoot continues to captivate us so...

Here's another vote for "Sundown". Poke holes in the stereo speaker cone and you'll hear the missing link between VU and the Stones. Speaking of VU, "Edmund Fitzgerald" is a far more crushingly monolithic droney dirge than they (or Spacemen 3) ever managed, plus it's about Mother Ocean reclaiming us all (the gravitational response to Can that was later adopted by Parliament and Drexciya), proving that Canada has evolved a sophisticated strain of nature mysticism that matches that which appeared in Russia centuries earlier (though entirely dissimilar - N. American variety characterised by a) existential will-to-power v. elements ['manifest destiny' on macro level] b) problems/opportunities of testing Enlightenment emancipation on crucible of 'nature' in purest form [the realpolitik that passeth all understanding] whereas Russian variety = syncretic combination of Orthodox Christianity and Siberian folk traditions/survival strategies [i.e. 'culture'?])

― dave q, Monday, July 8, 2002 5:00 PM (11 years ago)

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 12 June 2014 02:19 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

Defending the As-Yet-Undefended: The Manhattan Transfer

That album's "Java Jive" did for caffeine what VU did for heroin, therefore MT invented DC hardcore

― dave q, Friday, July 11, 2003 3:13 AM (11 years ago)

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link

This can't be Dave, can it? Heavily edited?

http://www.cxmagazine.com/sscxwc-single-speed-portland-dave-queen

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link

Really strongly doubt it.

Westing (By Musket Anne Sexton) (get bent), Friday, 31 October 2014 09:08 (nine years ago) link

If that is Dave then well done for getting in shape!

xyzzzz__, Friday, 31 October 2014 09:29 (nine years ago) link


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