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We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (8 years ago) Permalink


deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha i think i some signed by artists too :-/

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah i kept that shivan solely because it was worth money since i played green/white almost exclusively, i shoulda sold it off

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

I saw this stuff mostly when I was in college - 94 - 98. I was too busy playing (then) horrible blues rock, drinking and trying to get laid. Trying being the WAY operative word there.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

I sold a revised "Fork" for about 50 pounds.

Ronan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

reading a thread for the first time and then realising you posted to it four years ago c/d

webber, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Okay guys how similar is Pokemon the card game to Magic: the Gathering? Bcz I am getting stupidly good @ Pokemon (which did eat up all my spare $$$ this summer...sheesh Abbott).

Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

Y'all heard about The Eye of Judgment?

It's a Magic type game for PS3 that uses real cards and a camera, just came out. The camera scans the cards as you put them into play and then the monsters on the cards battle it out on your TV. The game keeps track of all the stats and shit too, of course. I haven't played it but it's getting decent reviews.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

This is me w/ M:TG btw, but I've also done the "use Portal decks and ignore most of the rules" thing.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

I found a coffee table on the streets of Madison once whose top was a glass plate covering a tiling of just a single magic card. I don't recall what it was, but it must have been the "unwanted" card.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

there was originally some card that involved ripping one of your opponents cards that got "banned" under the sanctioned rules...have no idea what it was called.

I had a mox sapphire! and sold basically everything i had owned at some point in '98 (when i was 19) probably for like 450 on ebay...

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

spent several hours on saturday night playing Magic with ian and was pretty consistently beaten by his blue & black deck.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

apparently people play creatures in type 2 nowadays? I am sort of suspicious of this, it's not pokemon. I wish I hadn't lost all my cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

i am so mad i couldn't find my old white/green deck when i was home this weekend.

ian, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

my favorite is the red & white deck.

bell_labs, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

-- Ronan, Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

red & white is a hard deck to play!

max, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

there were good all red or all green decks around the time the "mirages" (was that its name) edition of cards came out.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

Lightweights. I suspect Gravel may be hardcore, if he's referring to the fact that Morphling used to be the only playable creature.

Creatures are for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Magic is a game of technique.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

I can only say all this after spending way too much time sniping cards on eBay in order to play something like 3 times in the last year.

The fortunate thing is that Magic card prices seem to be way more stable than the dollar, so that's money in the bank folks.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

I did Magic waaay early on. By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

Jordan, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

Was not at all impressed by Wizards Of The Coast's headquarters. It's like a mile from Ikea in Renton and looks like any other corporate headquarters. I at least expected animatronic dragons or constant fireworks displays or something other than reflective glass and a fucking fountain.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

Thank you! Does anyone here ever compete in the pro tour? I tried having a look at those streams, but yeah...I just have no idea what those cards are. A card ID popup would be so useful - hope your friend gets that working. There are some matches for beginners on YouTube that I think can satisfy my curiosity for now.

I have a ton of cards, but they're mostly quite old. Is it important for me to have new cards in my deck?

It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Sunday, 15 May 2016 16:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

if you're just playing casually then use whatever cards you've got

for competitive play there's several different formats with different deck construction rules, the high-level breakdown is:
Standard - uses only cards from the past ~18 months worth of sets
Modern - uses only cards printed since 8th edition (essentially 2003 to present year) with a small ban list of cards that have proven too strong
Legacy - uses all cards, but with a small ban list of the most powerful cards
Vintage - uses all cards with no ban list but a 1-per-deck restriction on a few really powerful cards

ciderpress, Sunday, 15 May 2016 16:30 (1 week ago) Permalink

not sure if anyone here has played in the pro tour, it's not easy to qualify and you have to be really good to stay on the tour indefinitely like the folks in the documentary. i have a few friends who have played in 1 or 2 but didn't do well enough to continue

ciderpress, Sunday, 15 May 2016 16:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

Thanks. Casually for now, but the prospect of tournaments is very appealing for some point in the future. I just need to find people to play against now... imago is refusing to play.

It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Sunday, 15 May 2016 17:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

you can go here to get a sense of the popular competitive decks that are currently played in various formats:

probably a good resource if you want details on the decks you see on mtg broadcasts

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 15 May 2016 18:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

I've played in two Pro Tours, but I'm not very good at Constructed formats and for the PT you need to be skilled at both. Testing a new format without a team or at least a regular playgroup is also quite difficult. Both times I didn't make it past day 1 because of my terrible Constructed deck. I agree that a newcomer would have a hard time learning from the stream. Probably best to play some with friends first to get a hang of the basics.

Vinnie, Monday, 16 May 2016 07:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

both Constructed and draft*

Vinnie, Monday, 16 May 2016 07:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

I did watch a LoadingReadyRun stream where they had an excellent card ID popup thing. Whenever a player played a card, they put it in the middle of the table and it would get scanned and pop-up on stream. I hope they can introduce that on the PT. It didn't seem to slow the game too much.

Vinnie, Monday, 16 May 2016 07:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

pretty entertaining article on the history of Limited here:

frogbs, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

Steve: My second Top 8 was also Rochester—the win in Los Angeles. My semifinal match with Terry Lau might be one of the only Top 8 matches to ever go to six games. I don't think anyone had ever drawn a game in the Top 8 before. That was the Mono-Black Befoul/Corrupt deck in the Top 8. It's probably the only time in Magic I've ever been threatened to be punched in the face. I was playing against Mike Long. I went first and played a Swamp. He played Pouncing Jaguar. I went Swamp, Dark Ritual, Befoul his Forest so he couldn't pay the echo and would lose the Jaguar too. He tried to put his Pouncing Jaguar in the graveyard and not his Forest. "Nope," I said and pointed to his Forest. Later he ripped a Forest and played his Acridian. I played my fourth Swamp and Befouled the only green source he had to pay the echo with.

This I've had happen to me and yeah it is probably the most frustrating thing that can happen in Limited

Saga was so poorly designed, in retrospect

frogbs, Monday, 16 May 2016 18:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah it took them a while to go from 'we're now thinking about limited play when making sets' (mirage) to 'this is actually fun to play limited with' (invasion) and then it's not for another several years after that that you get the first limited format that resembles their current design approach (champions of kamigawa)

ciderpress, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

Did y'all watch the talk Mark Rosewater gave at GDC? Pretty great talk about the lessons R&D has learned designing Magic, though maybe not much new if you've been reading his column over the years. I think Echo is a more interesting mechanic than a fun one (it's kind of a pain, really), and he talks about how mechanics should be fun rather than interesting. His example was how in Odyssey it was advantageous to dump your hand for Threshold, which I agree was not very fun

Vinnie, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 03:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

nyc people: are there any good places to FNM in manhattan these days?

ciderpress, Thursday, 19 May 2016 14:02 (1 week ago) Permalink

montasy comics is okay. are you in town?

iatee, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

no, was asking for a friend who just moved down there and is trying to find the spot with the most competent players

ciderpress, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:10 (1 week ago) Permalink

okay here's the scene:

montasy (midtown) - decent standard/draft fnm, nice people, competitiveness depends on who you end up playing but your average fnm draft pod and standard fnm is about 50% casuals 50% srs players. also has legacy/modern nights which are roughly the same casual/srs ratios. the playerbase is generally pretty friendly but the store is poorly run and just coasts off being the only real option in midtown.

uncommons (village) - also has fnm and some other stuff, generally runs more casual than montasy

geekery (queens) - my favorite store, I'm friends w/ the people who run it and has pretty competitive modern/legacy scene, decent drafts at fnm. doesn't have a standard scene.

20s (brooklyn) - still runs some magic stuff but it's spotty. I know the run fnms at least, I don't know who shows up. it was more competitive in general than the other stores when they were more magic focused.

king's games (brooklyn) - I have never actually been here, it is very far in brooklyn and everyone hates it

nebulous (LES) - kinda out of the way and not a reliable choice for events, but they have the occasional gpt etc.

I run a google group w/ a lot of fairly competitive friends and we have lots of social+magic get togethers if he's interested in meeting people

iatee, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

thanks, appreciate it

ciderpress, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

art on the EMA animate dead is a real treat. actually some real nice new art in general in what's been spoiled so far

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 17:06 (3 days ago) Permalink

Too bad they can't update the ugliness of how the card works as well

Vinnie, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 17:08 (3 days ago) Permalink

I mean, it works intuitively, but it's such a shame that the card is still so wordy and hard to parse after all these years

Vinnie, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 17:12 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah "enchant dead creature" is just something that doesn't work within the rules. and yes it sucks because I really like that effect - it's powerful but there's an extra way of killing it. Makeshift Mannequin I liked because it played around in that space.

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 17:45 (3 days ago) Permalink

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