Magic: The Gathering C/D

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We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha i think i some signed by artists too :-/

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah i kept that shivan solely because it was worth money since i played green/white almost exclusively, i shoulda sold it off

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

I saw this stuff mostly when I was in college - 94 - 98. I was too busy playing (then) horrible blues rock, drinking and trying to get laid. Trying being the WAY operative word there.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

I sold a revised "Fork" for about 50 pounds.

Ronan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

reading a thread for the first time and then realising you posted to it four years ago c/d

webber, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

Okay guys how similar is Pokemon the card game to Magic: the Gathering? Bcz I am getting stupidly good @ Pokemon (which did eat up all my spare $$$ this summer...sheesh Abbott).

Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

Y'all heard about The Eye of Judgment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhlq_GhYGsM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eye_of_Judgment

It's a Magic type game for PS3 that uses real cards and a camera, just came out. The camera scans the cards as you put them into play and then the monsters on the cards battle it out on your TV. The game keeps track of all the stats and shit too, of course. I haven't played it but it's getting decent reviews.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

This is me w/ M:TG btw, but I've also done the "use Portal decks and ignore most of the rules" thing.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

I found a coffee table on the streets of Madison once whose top was a glass plate covering a tiling of just a single magic card. I don't recall what it was, but it must have been the "unwanted" card.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

there was originally some card that involved ripping one of your opponents cards that got "banned" under the sanctioned rules...have no idea what it was called.

I had a mox sapphire! and sold basically everything i had owned at some point in '98 (when i was 19) probably for like 450 on ebay...

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

spent several hours on saturday night playing Magic with ian and was pretty consistently beaten by his blue & black deck.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

apparently people play creatures in type 2 nowadays? I am sort of suspicious of this, it's not pokemon. I wish I hadn't lost all my cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

i am so mad i couldn't find my old white/green deck when i was home this weekend.

ian, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

my favorite is the red & white deck.

bell_labs, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

-- Ronan, Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

red & white is a hard deck to play!

max, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

there were good all red or all green decks around the time the "mirages" (was that its name) edition of cards came out.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lightweights. I suspect Gravel may be hardcore, if he's referring to the fact that Morphling used to be the only playable creature.

Creatures are for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Magic is a game of technique.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can only say all this after spending way too much time sniping cards on eBay in order to play something like 3 times in the last year.

The fortunate thing is that Magic card prices seem to be way more stable than the dollar, so that's money in the bank folks.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

I did Magic waaay early on. By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

Jordan, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Was not at all impressed by Wizards Of The Coast's headquarters. It's like a mile from Ikea in Renton and looks like any other corporate headquarters. I at least expected animatronic dragons or constant fireworks displays or something other than reflective glass and a fucking fountain.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 in particularly because not infrequently the 3 mana equivalents, e.g. awaken the bear, kill shot, can put you in awkward spots re efficient mana use on key turns.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:26 (Yesterday) Permalink

punch and bell strike are both very very good in the right decks and kinda bad in other spots, injury and feat are cards you are basically always happy to have around

there was a good marshall sutcliffe article that highlighted how strong the feat/god's willing effect has become as limited removal gets worse - feat in response to a 5 or 6 mana removal spell is a blowout

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:32 (Yesterday) Permalink

on a related note, i have had a mentality switch w/r/t face down morphs from thinking that a morph is a good plan for turn 3 to making sure i have something better in my deck for that turn and playing a morph as my fall back

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

having creatures that can be either 3 drops or late drops is not bad, but you have to account for the mana+tempo costs from unmorphing

I play 2c aggro decks 80% of the time in this format and having someone play a t3 morph, refuse to trade w/ my 2/1, unmorph it, then get it bell striked or whatever = so many easy wins

so yeah morphs are generally powerful cards but I regularly end up w/ only 2 or 3 in my deck

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:44 (Yesterday) Permalink

i think its ok for all your 3s to be morphs if it means you're picking up more good 2s and 4s which are in much shorter supply in this format

ciderpress, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah I think you really screw yourself if you don't have *some* play t3, given that that's what this format revolves around

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

i think there are enough good cards at 4, altho it is easy to fall into the trap of neglecting t4 in between the major morph turns. but yeah good 2 drops are hard to find. one of the inherent advantages of a more aggressive deck is that it forces you to have a curve, and you're not skipping your early turns just because you have a stack of powerful cards and you hate wasting a spot on gdman wetland sambar

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

haha I won a draft w/ a 5 wetland sambar deck the other day

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:01 (Yesterday) Permalink

I'm starting to think the 0/4 Outlast for B is even better than I thought. You don't often play anything turn 2 so you can usually Outlast 'em right away and if you do it twice you get a 2/6 which is pretty much a brick in this format. Plus it's a Warrior, it makes Treefolk sorcery real good, and gives you a Raid trigger for a turn 2 Mardu Skullhunter

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:21 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah it's solid, so is the 0/5 pinger wall

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:24 (Yesterday) Permalink

agreed on both. and that they are 2 of the better early drops tells you about the general quality on offer. one problem with the B 0/4, and really with injury to an extent, is that early black is otherwise pretty bad. skullhunter is your only other good black common at 1, 2 or 3 and even that is an awkward card. black seems to be better as a third or splash colour.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:49 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah skullhunter is underwhelming, you often have to hold on to it to get the raid trigger, and it feels like a one for one so often because a later-game 2/1 is just dead

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:52 (Yesterday) Permalink

or you just need a 2 power blocker. the saddest skullhunter is they have face down morphs, you have nothing on board, you play your 2/1, tapped, no trigger

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:56 (Yesterday) Permalink

skullhunter isnt great but i think people undervalue how effective hand disruption is. like a) the average cmc of most peoples decks is higher than in other formats b) people are often cheating by one or even two mana sources s c) morphs mean that people will not play cards from their hands as quickly all of which means you are v likely to get a relevant card off the raid trigger and that its not a terrible turn five play in conjunction with another card. i think the biggest downside to skullhunter is that it comes into play tapped

ancestor and skullhunter being p reliable wheels is one of the big reasons that i am drafting black in almost 80% of my drafts

≖_≖ (Lamp), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:07 (Yesterday) Permalink

I feel like the mind rot card is above average in this format for that reason

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

just read that PV piece

"Dead Drop, which Owen's team says is the third best uncommon [...] and Trail of Mystery, which Ari Lax's group thinks is a first-pick bomb"

the first one is surprising, the second is totally wtf for me. i don't think i have seen that card played even.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:37 (Yesterday) Permalink

There's a guy at my LGS who tries to make Trail of Mystery work. the problem is there isn't really a "morph deck"; Secret Plans is not very good and there aren't a lot of cheap unmorph dudes. I don't think it's a bomb.

Dead Drop is very good; I think Falconer, Murderous Cut, and Arc Lightning are all better but 3rd best isn't that out of line.

The card I'm curious about is Molting Snakeskin. Aggro isn't really a great strategy in KTK but this card at least helps you bust through all the 0/5s. I haven't played it outside of desperation but I wonder if it's secretly a good Mardu card.

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:44 (Yesterday) Permalink

I played 2 copies in an aggro dimir deck, mostly because I didn't have anything else for those 2 spots, but it actually worked really well

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

I'd say Sultai Scavenger is a pretty good black common

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

removal is bad and slow in this set, so unless they have injury you can often find a spot to get it on a guy

iatee, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

Pretty sweet Trail of Mystery/Villainous Wealth deck with double Dead Drop from Reid Duke here:

http://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-reiderrabbit-khans-of-tarkir-draft/

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 31 October 2014 16:47 (Yesterday) Permalink


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