Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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argh, I don't have white light/white heat

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

Go out and buy white light/white heat. test your stereo with it. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

before quibbling about stereo/mono differences, you might want to check that one out.
it's good.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

You probably don't have "The Murder Mystery" either, but if you did, you could check whether you had different storylines coming out off either speaker.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wait, you can use the first few seconds of "Sunday Morning" - the glockenspiel or what-have-you is on the right channel and then the bass comes in on the left.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

Or just check the wiring...

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

One of your speakers is out of phase i.e. you have the wires in the wrong way round.

MGrout, Monday, 28 February 2005 16:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

could be! I just threw the wires back there without any regard at all.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

are you sure you're a trainspotter?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

Behind my receiver is a dark and lonely place- I'll have to do this by candelight because I have no flashlight. All of you will be in my prayers!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

not even a spelunker!

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Agunaunt, I am defined by what I am not. My secret is out!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (10 years ago) Permalink


laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (10 years ago) Permalink


UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

golden ears kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:07 (10 years ago) Permalink


The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

I thought that was Everett?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

I go to school with J0hn C4le's daughter, 3d3n; she is kind've a twat.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

ian wins "post of the day" so far.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

Who's the mom, B3+53y J0hn50n?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

No, some other silly tart, Rise?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (5 years ago) Permalink


tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (5 years ago) Permalink


what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

that's a flac btw

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (5 years ago) Permalink


The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

so I'm fairly certain that these are ALL tracks from Live 1969, albeit in unedited form ... Maybe "Some Kinda Love" is different? Not sure.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 22:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

interesting... now that u mention it the track times look very similar.

sleeve, Friday, 16 October 2009 23:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

"After hearing this record, you'll want to start your own band!"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:43 (10 months ago) Permalink

more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"?

― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some time back, University Challenge, music round...

Paxman: "You're going to hear some introduction music to bands' debut albums, I want the title of the album.

(some twinkly keyboard notes, fade..)
Student: "um, Is it the Velvet Underground?"
Paxman: "No, that's their third album, that was "The Velvet Underground and Nico"

(true story)

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:16 (10 months ago) Permalink

Nice little Doug Yule interview where both he and the interviewer refer to it as "The Grey Album" which I've never heard before, either.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:58 (10 months ago) Permalink

What is your relationship with the stuff that’s on there now? I know from previous interviews you have a sort of ambivalent relationship with rock n’ roll.

Maybe I read into it wrong. I am only going by old interviews. What’s your relationship to the lost album now? Is it something you wish had been released?
What lost album do you mean?

Well, the one that is referred to as that. I know you refer to it as just demos. Is that the last word now?
That was the intent going on at the time. You’re talking about the stuff that was recorded at MGM?


I will never understand why Vice don't edit down their interviews. There's some great material there, but we didn't need to read the above interaction. Bonkers...

you fuck one chud... (stevie), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:11 (10 months ago) Permalink

see also "while not losing site of...", ouch

sleeve, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

heh, yeah, some good stuff in that interview for sure, but also some very unnecessary stuff. good to hear from dougie yule, though!

tylerw, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

Did you see his response to "I hate music" Tanya?

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:08 (10 months ago) Permalink

New mix of live "Sweet Jane":

(I think this is the same performance as on 1969 Live, but not 100% certain)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:46 (10 months ago) Permalink

where is the ibiza remix?

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:53 (10 months ago) Permalink

xp same performance, but the mix is definitely much improved...

tylerw, Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:54 (10 months ago) Permalink

well, different, anyway -- i love Live 69 so much it's hard to say anything "improves" it...

tylerw, Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:55 (10 months ago) Permalink

surely some balearic drums and a guest rap verse would improve it?

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:56 (10 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I mean, I never thought of the sound on 1969 Live as something that particularly needed to be improved (except for the dubbed-from-vinyl tracks on the CD), but...I dunno, this sounds great and everything, but the original mix seems more intimate.

(I also love how that album is sequenced: he says "good night" after side 1!)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 20 November 2014 21:06 (10 months ago) Permalink

Listening to the new live stuff now. I'd heard the Matrix samples so had a sense of how clean they were, but hearing the full songs is just kind of unreal. They sound so good, it's hard to believe they aren't some recent production. I don't think I ever thought I'd listen to Heroin again with anything like fresh ears, but the version here is amazing...probably better than the album version. Expectations greatly exceeded. I'm sorry, but this just destroys 1969 Live.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 20:44 (10 months ago) Permalink

so excited for this, I will be buying it next week

sleeve, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:44 (10 months ago) Permalink

listened to the "highlights" disc of the matrix recordings last night -- oh man, so great. basically my favorite music ever.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

and hey, here's EZ's review -- he didn't get anything wrong!

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:57 (10 months ago) Permalink

Wellp, mine's just arrived.

Mark G, Thursday, 27 November 2014 17:46 (10 months ago) Permalink

.. and you know that little bit of guitar that's on the VU album but not any CD edition of "Foggy Notion" ?

It's Longer! From the slate to the end of the track!

Mark G, Friday, 28 November 2014 15:14 (10 months ago) Permalink

Anyone seen this footage shot at the Boston Tea Party in 1967 (by Warhol no less )before?

Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah it floated around in trainspotter circles earlier this year. definitely fun to see, but also very frustrating.

tylerw, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:42 (10 months ago) Permalink


You would think Fricke would get the name of Lou's first single right, but no it is NOT "Leave Her to Me"


some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 05:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

what the fricke!
i don't even hate david fricke, but it seems like he should just call it quits on writing VU liners at this point. hasn't he said all he can say?
would prefer if they got someone interesting to write about the third record ... luc sante or somebody?

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:20 (9 months ago) Permalink

You should have done it!

Root It Oot (Tom D.), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:23 (9 months ago) Permalink

Then again, curse of the sub-ed and all that...

Mark G, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:28 (9 months ago) Permalink

fricke's liner notes for peel slowly and see were revelatory for me as a young'un...

Nixon head is essential. (stevie), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:40 (9 months ago) Permalink

put me in coach! i've been vu trainspotting for 20+ years now...

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah, i think those PSAS notes are good

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

fwiw the liner notes are good, it was just that one little thing and it's right at the beginning and it jumped out at me.

the photos and gig flyers are amazing. haven't actually listened to the Matrix CDs yet, just got it yesterday.

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:46 (9 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

This 6CD thing is a revelation. I mean, all the live Matrix stuff is amazing enough, mixed crystal clear, after decades of dodgy audience recordings this is like thunder from the heavens. Complaints about the incomplete nature of this set are legit (I think there were four nights taped?), and I am resigned to all of it coming out in five years, but whatever. I just wish there was more banter besides the instant-classic intro to "I Can't Stand It" - I may have missed something my first time through, though.

On top of all that glorious live material, the individual mixing decisions on the 1969 sessions disc seem very well thought out. Guitars sound so good on the new mix of "One Of These Days', all kinds of cool things I'd never noticed. second guitar seems much more prominent on the new mix of "Lisa Says" as well. Pretty much everything sounds better than/as good as the VU/Another View versions - I think the ones that have new mixes were never properly mixed down in the first place, as opposed to the ones w/original mix acetates? It's so confusing. The new mix of "Coney Island" in particular has much better vocals w/o the effects, you can practically see a young Jonathan Richman taking notes. The original mixes suit "I'm Sticking With You" and "She's My Best Friend", the new mix of "I Can't Stand It" really brings out the guitars again, fuck this whole disc is like a new listening experience!

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 04:41 (9 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...


tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

fwiw a single-disc edit is now on Spotify

the top 40 is just the sound of autotuned crying (sleeve), Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

ha yeah, i've got the two discs, i just mean, release every second of these things.
anyway, i like the new VU mixes for the most part EXCEPT Ride Into The Sun -- what is going on there? bass sounds out of whack for most of the beginning, kinda messes up the whole experience for me. i guess it's cool hearing a new mix, but it is definitely not my preferred version.

tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:30 (8 months ago) Permalink

The only new VU mix that I think misses the mark is "Lisa Says." The reverb on the 1985 mix was so perfect, and reinforced a certain quality that it shared with the Pretenders' version of "Thin Line Between Love and Hate." The new mix sounds claustrophobic and insular.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 January 2015 21:04 (8 months ago) Permalink

hmm will have to listen back to the VU Lisa Says mix...
as long as we're picking nits, the sequencing on both the 1969 sessions disc and the matrix discs could be better...

tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 21:23 (8 months ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

A listing is up for the Matrix tapes as a 4-CD set to be released on Oct 30.
This Amazon listing looks curiously bare, though. No details at all. Despite mountains of talk at Steve Hoffman, I really wonder whether this is happening... or if it's a boot... or....

hardcore dilettante, Sunday, 6 September 2015 20:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

Well, remember when Amazon listed My Bloody Valentine boxed set

Mark G, Sunday, 6 September 2015 22:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

There was a letter printed on the Steve Hoffman site saying that something had started being prepared from the Abram tapes. Didn't sound like it would be ready for the 30th October release date that that Amazon site has since it was only just starting to be prepared.
But would be great to get a full Matrix box set

Stevolende, Sunday, 6 September 2015 22:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

That letter -- if I'm looking at the same thing you are -- is from 2002! I think negotiations broke down sometime. By the Abrams tapes are what showed up in incomplete form on last years 3rd album box set. Hopefully this release (if it's real) will be uncut.

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 00:10 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

If it was legit, I can't imagine they would release it on the same day as the Loaded box.

Hideous Lump, Monday, 7 September 2015 04:48 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, there's also a Lou Reed solo box coming out on the same day apparently.
I missed the date on the letter and obviously if it's a while back negotiations must have been successful. It would cover 2 discs worth of that material appearing on last year's s/t box.
Am hoping a legit complete set does appear though.

Wonder what other delights await release from the VU archive. Or is that it?

Stevolende, Monday, 7 September 2015 08:13 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Lou was saying there would be no more "Bootleg Series" and I would guess these tapes were what he was referring to.

Of course, this is a different thing now.

Mark G, Monday, 7 September 2015 09:46 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

If this is some sort of hoax I shall cry.

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 7 September 2015 09:50 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I'd really love to see it but having seen what was (or possibly wasn't i.e. anything but a title & release date) on that Amazon page a couple of days ago I could see it being almost a glitch, otherwise some form of mistake.

Stevolende, Monday, 7 September 2015 11:21 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm positive they'll put out a complete matrix set at some point -- just would be odd to have both the loaded box set and it out at exactly the same time.

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 14:08 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

...and the Lou solo thing.

It should be noted that all three of these things would be coming from different labels: The Matrix set from Universal; Loaded from Rhino/Atlantic; and Lou solo from Sony Legacy--so a last grag physical media free-for-all is not outside the realm of possibility.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 7 September 2015 14:21 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe! Excited to hear it all whenever. The matrix stuff they put out last year sounded so nice. Getting that epic "ocean" and the definitive Lou-sung "new age" in that quality will be amazing.

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 14:40 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Also more Lou monologues!

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 14:53 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

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