Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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argh, I don't have white light/white heat

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Go out and buy white light/white heat. test your stereo with it. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

before quibbling about stereo/mono differences, you might want to check that one out.
it's good.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

You probably don't have "The Murder Mystery" either, but if you did, you could check whether you had different storylines coming out off either speaker.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wait, you can use the first few seconds of "Sunday Morning" - the glockenspiel or what-have-you is on the right channel and then the bass comes in on the left.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Or just check the wiring...

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

One of your speakers is out of phase i.e. you have the wires in the wrong way round.

MGrout, Monday, 28 February 2005 16:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

could be! I just threw the wires back there without any regard at all.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

are you sure you're a trainspotter?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Behind my receiver is a dark and lonely place- I'll have to do this by candelight because I have no flashlight. All of you will be in my prayers!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

not even a spelunker!

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Agunaunt, I am defined by what I am not. My secret is out!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

arg!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

REVIVE!

UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

golden ears kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

EVEREST IS OUR FOOT STOOL

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought that was Everett?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I go to school with J0hn C4le's daughter, 3d3n; she is kind've a twat.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

ian wins "post of the day" so far.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

xpost:
Who's the mom, B3+53y J0hn50n?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

No, some other silly tart, Rise?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cool!
Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hmm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp
$189
Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

ysi?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost

what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

that's a flac btw

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

WHAT????!??!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

so I'm fairly certain that these are ALL tracks from Live 1969, albeit in unedited form ... Maybe "Some Kinda Love" is different? Not sure.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 22:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

interesting... now that u mention it the track times look very similar.

sleeve, Friday, 16 October 2009 23:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Have you guys heard that one where Lou is teaching someone -Nico?- the words to "Venus in Furs" whilst somebody else- Sterl and John? - is playing a Bo Diddley song?

Do You Like POLL Music? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 November 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that should be part of the rehearsal segment of the new box set. aren't they playing "love is strange" too?

tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Xp: Guess it's from The Factory Rehearsal: http://open.spotify.com/track/70XPQA0sXtX90xbx6hZ0Lg

Says "Crackin' Up" which sounds like "Love is Strange" so I split the difference.

Do You Like POLL Music? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 November 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

RIght, seeing as how that "Final VU" box is £25 on ebay, I've ordered one.

We Shall See!

― Mark G, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:15 (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, I got one, and have played CD1 so far.

It's funny, out of all four CDs, Doug Yule only sings one song, one time, that he sang while Lou was in the band: "Oh Sweet Nothing".

No "Candy Says", "Who loves the sun", "New Age", "She's my best Friend", nope.

Mark G, Monday, 26 November 2012 12:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

VU-related, in some important/amazing ways--be there or be square, Jim:
http://boo-hooray.com/barbara-rubin/christmas-on-earth---barbara-rubin/

dow, Saturday, 8 December 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFaOyQbDTKs

Sweet Sister Ray

Campari G&T, Saturday, 23 March 2013 13:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

http://philipjohnsonglasshouse.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/1967-glass-house-country-happening-with-merce-cunningham-john-cage-the-velvet-underground/
The film is archival footage of an event held at the Glass House in 1967 to benefit the Merce Cunningham Dance Company. Described as a “Country Happening” in Vogue Magazine, August 1967, Merce Cunningham dancers performed to music by John Cage, and later the Velvet Underground took the stage.
can't actually see any VU in the film, but maybe those groovy dancers at the end are twisting it to sister ray? funny to imagine the VU playing such a pastoral setting.

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Believe there is another thread about that.

Gallucci Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 October 2013 16:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

But surely we need to spread the word that there is a free flexidisc with every initial order from the website. I think it may be a track inside the package already but just think, rarity free with every £54.99 plus p+p spent there.

Stevolende, Friday, 11 October 2013 17:56 (10 months ago) Permalink

While stocks last !!!!!

Stevolende, Friday, 11 October 2013 17:56 (10 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

This is where The End of Cole Ave once stood. This is where much of Live 1969 was recorded. *sigh*

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:02 (10 months ago) Permalink

"much" = less than half?

what's worse, that pic or this one?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:37 (10 months ago) Permalink

sorry, "some" or "a chunk" or "the best songs from".

I never listen to 1969 anymore. Listen to the boot of the End of Cole Ave show instead.

IS that the Matrix? I couldn't bring myself to go by there when I was in San Francisco last week.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:50 (10 months ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

http://velvetundergroundacetate.com/
who's gonna buy it?!

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

Also, wtf the wooden box artifact?

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:19 (3 months ago) Permalink

They better include a free banana with that.

StanM, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...


feel like "train round the bonnnnd" is how nico would've sung that song.

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 19:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

Chelsea Girls sdtk: http://www.volcanictongue.com/tips

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 15:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

Are there any samples of this online anywhere? Saw it here:

http://littlebigchief.bigcartel.com/product/velvet-underground-chelsea-girls-s-sided-lp

and they have another record I'm interested in, http://littlebigchief.bigcartel.com/product/alien-city-lp

but I don't love to spend good money on new records I haven't heard these days.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 04:07 (1 month ago) Permalink


from lou's facebook page:

We thought it'd be cool to share a photograph of one of the more "mythical" artifacts of Lou and the VU.

Lou mentioned this in an interview a while back (Q Magazine in 1996, I think), that he'd recently unearthed a demo he had mailed to himself in 1965, the reason for which is known as "the poor man's copyright."

In classic Lou style, he had this to say about the discovery:
"I'm not going to listen it. I don't want to hear these things any more."

Well, here's what it looks like. And no, we haven't opened it.

tylerw, Thursday, 17 July 2014 18:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

would be interesting if it was different stuff than the demo released on Peel Slowly & See

as for the chelsea girls sdtk, i think this is at least part of it. sounds pretty great, would be curious to know if the bootleg is better sound quality (which is dire)

tylerw, Thursday, 17 July 2014 18:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

According to the post below (originally from the Velvet Forum, reposted on Steve Hoffman), 3rd LP box coming:

Hi all

Good to see that folks are starting to wonder about the status of the 3rd Deluxe 45th.

So far Universal has been doing an excelent job with the Banana and Wl/Wh Deluxe sets, and the 3rd Album will not be an exception. Our guys will take good care of us!
This is what I can say at this point: a selection of the Peter Abrams Soundboard Tapes half inch, 4-track, stereo live recordings of the band at The Matrix Nov 1969 will be part of the Deluxe issue. The quality of these recordings is absolutely fanstatic
and the performances are superb.
As you know there are 42 songs in 4 hours of recordings. Universal still working on which songs will appear, looks like 20 songs in 2 cds. Night and day with the Quine Tapes and Live 1969.

Juts these 2 cds will make the 3rd Deluxe a must for any VU fan.

Stay tuned

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 11 August 2014 17:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

oh my god the Matrix recordings!!!!!!!

sleeve, Monday, 11 August 2014 17:16 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

fanstatic indeed!

StanM, Monday, 11 August 2014 17:23 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

hmm this is the one I may have to get, if true

Οὖτις, Monday, 11 August 2014 17:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

this would be nice. Hope it's true.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 11 August 2014 17:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

So, presumably it will be
CD1: Stereo + singles/promos
CD2: Mono + "VU" + "Another View" and a couple more rarities/unreleased
CD3+4 : Matrix selections

Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2014 18:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Not all of VU etc, obv, just the Yule tracks

Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2014 18:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I hope there is a cheap version of this with the live material. Though the 4 disc described above makes sense

Stevolende, Monday, 11 August 2014 18:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

will they include the closet mix and the regular mix, I wonder? This is looking like a must buy

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Monday, 11 August 2014 18:49 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

As you know there are 42 songs in 4 hours of recordings.

SO RELEASE THEM ALL!!

Sporkies Finalist (stevie), Monday, 11 August 2014 18:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I was thinking that too, but I'm wondering if the other half (or near-half) has already been released on Live 1969. Because those are (mostly? kind of?) the same tapes, right?

And anyway, if they release part of the shows on this box, and then later release a Complete Live Matrix Recordings box, knowing Velvets fans will buy both, it's win-win! For Universal!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 11 August 2014 19:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

closet mix is so pointless

Οὖτις, Monday, 11 August 2014 19:18 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

...except for the alternate 'Some Kinda Love", which is amazing

sleeve, Monday, 11 August 2014 19:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah that's the main diff. excited for the matrix stuff! it's about time. yeah, they might just go with stuff that is not the same performances as on Live 1969.

tylerw, Monday, 11 August 2014 19:37 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm p squarely in the regular mix camp, just curious how complete this'll be. I guess closet mix could be left as an enticement to backlist banana box purchasers.

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Monday, 11 August 2014 19:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah..

There was a mono third l.p. In the sundazed box, which 'version' was it, closet or Valentin?

Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2014 19:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

(which is the definition of a Velvet Underground trainspotting question)

Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2014 19:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

vu & nico was 6 discs, right? this could easily be 6 discs if they decide to include the closet mix + "lost album" material. I think levenson has said that session tapes exist for the album, so there may be some cool alternates or or chatter. lou telling doug how to sing candy says, etc.

tylerw, Monday, 11 August 2014 19:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

haha "sing just like me"

sleeve, Monday, 11 August 2014 19:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

hmm, have only ever heard the closet mix

Sporkies Finalist (stevie), Monday, 11 August 2014 21:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Really? The Valentin mix is more prevalent these days.

Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2014 21:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeh i only heard the Valentin version recently for the first time, sounded all kinds of wrong after 20+ years of closetness

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 11 August 2014 21:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Back whenever, I bought the (expensive) Japanese issue, as it has always used the Val mix, for to hear it, finally.

Felt daft about 6 months later, when the cd edition came out with the val mix for ever..

Mark G, Monday, 11 August 2014 21:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Definitely prefer the Valentin mix but i heard that one first so that may be why. Like the Valentin some kinda love better.

tylerw, Monday, 11 August 2014 23:18 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I was so baffled when I heard that new Some Kinda Love on the 80's reissues, I had tracked down a french copy of the 3rd LP. I guess I prefer the Valentin mix (which is actually the original, right?), but I much prefer the closet take of SKL and feel sentimental about that mix as a whole.

sleeve, Monday, 11 August 2014 23:23 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I prefer Valentin mix/"Some Kinda Love" too, but not by a huge margin. It's the one I heard first and am most familiar with.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 11 August 2014 23:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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