Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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argh, I don't have white light/white heat

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Go out and buy white light/white heat. test your stereo with it. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

before quibbling about stereo/mono differences, you might want to check that one out.
it's good.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

You probably don't have "The Murder Mystery" either, but if you did, you could check whether you had different storylines coming out off either speaker.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wait, you can use the first few seconds of "Sunday Morning" - the glockenspiel or what-have-you is on the right channel and then the bass comes in on the left.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Or just check the wiring...

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

One of your speakers is out of phase i.e. you have the wires in the wrong way round.

MGrout, Monday, 28 February 2005 16:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

could be! I just threw the wires back there without any regard at all.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

are you sure you're a trainspotter?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Behind my receiver is a dark and lonely place- I'll have to do this by candelight because I have no flashlight. All of you will be in my prayers!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

not even a spelunker!

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Agunaunt, I am defined by what I am not. My secret is out!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

arg!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

REVIVE!

UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

golden ears kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

EVEREST IS OUR FOOT STOOL

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought that was Everett?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I go to school with J0hn C4le's daughter, 3d3n; she is kind've a twat.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

ian wins "post of the day" so far.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

xpost:
Who's the mom, B3+53y J0hn50n?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

No, some other silly tart, Rise?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Cool!
Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hmm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp
$189
Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

ysi?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost

what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

that's a flac btw

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

WHAT????!??!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

so I'm fairly certain that these are ALL tracks from Live 1969, albeit in unedited form ... Maybe "Some Kinda Love" is different? Not sure.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 22:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

interesting... now that u mention it the track times look very similar.

sleeve, Friday, 16 October 2009 23:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

just donated to public radio (which i was meaning to do anyway) with the strategic purpose of winning tickets to this dinner
fingers crossed!

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 October 2014 23:47 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

i guess i'd know by now if i won so :(

i gave it my all, shamelessly
that's all a person can do

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Friday, 3 October 2014 13:56 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Lechera Says....

Mark G, Friday, 3 October 2014 14:03 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

great news! i haven't lost yet! the drawing continues into next week. i think they're trying to sell more tickets and then maybe they will fill seats with winners like me and my date.

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 October 2014 13:45 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

dude in the comments on that article seems to know what's up:

This is probably what it is:

May 11, 1965
Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York

8-16 43rd Ave, Queens, NY 11101
Google Maps May 11, 1965 tape

John Cale - Lou Reed - Jerry Vance or Jimmie Sims

Buzz Buzz Buzz (one complete take + a couple of attempts breaking down)
Why Don't You Smile Now
Heroin (take 1)
Heroin (take 2)
Untitled Piano Piece 1
Untitled Piano Piece 1
A full review of this demo tape is available in White Light/White Heat - The Velvet Underground Day by Day by Richie Unterberger. Buzz Buzz Buzz is a Lou Reed original, not a cover of the 1957 hit by The Hollywood Flames. Untitled Piano Pieces are by John Cale alone.

Source: The Velvet Underground Web Page: http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/andsoon/studio/studio.html

If it is this, the second take of Heroin surfaced when Hal Wilner played it at a tribute event to Lou:
(skip to 13:48 to hear the recording). So at least part of it is in the hands of a select few. We need to hear this.

Brio2, Friday, 10 October 2014 13:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Buzz Buzz Buzz is a Lou Reed original, not a cover of the 1957 hit by The Hollywood Flames.
Was wondering about this, since Jonathan Richman did in fact cover the Hollywood Flames tunes.

Bobby Ono Bland (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 October 2014 13:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

wrote a little about it here over the summer: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/92161978367/lewis-reed-copyright-demo-may-1965-something

tylerw, Friday, 10 October 2014 14:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

would be awesome if they opened it and it was actually a bag of 50-year-old heroin.

tylerw, Friday, 10 October 2014 14:13 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Boping it's actually a cover of Buzz Buzz A Diddle It by Freddie Cannon.

Brio2, Friday, 10 October 2014 14:43 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It's the remains of Waldo Jeffers.

dlp9001, Friday, 10 October 2014 18:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Amazon.es (Spain) has the 3rd album box for around $55 shipped (US Amazon is charging $100):
http://www.amazon.es/dp/B00O1GGAZI/ref=pe_386191_41384461_TE_item

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 October 2014 19:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

i can't remember which parts of the matrix tapes have been excerpted & what's new but i'm listening to waiting for the man on npr & it isn't a zillion times different from the tumbly live 69 cut but still: it's so much fun

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:43 (4 days ago) Permalink

The Matrix Tapes on this are O_O

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:46 (4 days ago) Permalink

Just was listening to that NPR broadcast and of course they repeat the canard about how unknown the VU were: "only 72 of us" were fans they claim here. Has anyone ever addressed whether this kind of thing has any basis in fact? Or is it all just relative - ie they were obscure compared to the Byrds but bigger than the 13th Floor Elevators but since no-one knows anything about the 13th Floor Elevators we'll just pretend that the VU were the epitome of obscurity?

eg. in late 1968 they played two four-night residencies in my city in a venue that still exists, so I know it's quite a big venue that can hold almost 1,000. Other acts that played at the same time were Muddy Waters & Bo Diddley. Why is this supposed obscurity always so heavily stressed with the VU?

everything, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:05 (4 days ago) Permalink

Elevators had a local radio hit

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:11 (4 days ago) Permalink

charted on Billboard and everything

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:12 (4 days ago) Permalink

Thackeray Zax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 21:12 (4 days ago) Permalink

The Matrix Tapes on this are O_O

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:46 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

schlump, Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:03 (2 days ago) Permalink

squeeeeeeeeeee!

tylerw, Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:05 (2 days ago) Permalink

13th Floor Elevators only got to play live in Texas and (for a brief period) the San Francisco area.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:25 (2 days ago) Permalink

i think the velvets were pretty well-known but i imagine their rep was bigger than their sales

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 31 October 2014 04:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

I finally took the plunge and bought a copy of Sweet Sister Ray for about £90 recently and it turns out it's worth every penny. Can't stop playing it.

Are there any other 'must have' VU bootlegs of this intensity or quality? Any advice gratefully received.

Doran, Friday, 31 October 2014 09:42 (Yesterday) Permalink

Even taking into account the usual VT hype, this one sounds p mouth-watering:

https://www.volcanictongue.com/artists/show/1613

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 31 October 2014 09:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

Cool cheers. I've heard that Praise Ye The Lord, the one with the black and white photo of Mo Tucker on the front cover is really cool as well.

Doran, Friday, 31 October 2014 09:49 (Yesterday) Permalink

guitar amp tape has an amazing "Sister Ray", the Hilltop festival boot is good as well

sleeve, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:24 (Yesterday) Permalink

The Guitar Amp LP has the same recording of Sister Ray as Sweet Sister Ray, so I already have that but if I can find anywhere in the UK that sells it, I'm going to snaffle that one up.

Doran, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:25 (Yesterday) Permalink

they're all great! get them all!

tylerw, Friday, 31 October 2014 14:30 (Yesterday) Permalink

pvmic

Trip Maker, Friday, 31 October 2014 16:19 (Yesterday) Permalink

lol

other essentials:

Gymnasium show
"Chic Mystique" or whatever it's called on the "Caught Between The Twisted Stars" 4CD set which is also pretty great although basically a compilation of various boot tracks
slow drugged-out drumless version of "Train Comin Round The Bend" from the 2nd Fret show in Philly
Columbus 1966 obviously, I think this got officially released on one of the VU & Nico anniversary sets

sleeve, Friday, 31 October 2014 16:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

Yep, Gymnasium is on the WL/WH anniversary set, and Columbus is on the VU & Nico set.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 October 2014 16:53 (Yesterday) Permalink

pvmic
heh heh.
it's funny, there are several VU boots on spotify for some reason. always wonder how those things slip through the cracks.

tylerw, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:34 (Yesterday) Permalink

oh and hey here's my little bit of VU trainspotting for the week: http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2014/10/30/the-velvet-underground-candy-says-boston-dec-12-1968/

tylerw, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:40 (Yesterday) Permalink

Wow, thanks for posting that! Lou's singing is beautiful, but Doug's has a certain fragility and an almost naive innocence otherwise underrepresented in their oeuvre.

Also, this was one of the dates where the MC5 opened:

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 October 2014 18:52 (Yesterday) Permalink

i know! so crazy that they were playing that kind of thing after the mc5. not that the VU did not blow the house down elsewhere in their set.
whole show is here:

tylerw, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:59 (Yesterday) Permalink

!!!

Thanks!

I thought I read that Lou (or Sterl) addressed the crowd at the beginning by saying they didn't want to be associated with the 5 (or, more accurately, with the East Village Motherfuckers who were trying to hijack the show)...maybe that was at a different show.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:00 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah, this recording makes it hard to understand exactly what the VU says - think it might be a different show where they admonish the MC5.

tylerw, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:05 (Yesterday) Permalink

A lot of those boots are on torrent sites like Dime in decent quality.

I know I'd read a Sterling interview where he made negative comments about the 5 and wondered what the story was for years. Think I remember it having something to do with that Motherfuckas night.

Stevolende, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

so weird that the motherfuckers incident is the one thing completely absent from that MC5 doc

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

There's a lot absent from the MC5 doc (like any mention of their influences including, but not limited to, Coltrane, Sun Ra, and Motown).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

Looking through the Boston Tea Party schedule, yeah, the Velvets played there a lot:
http://www.theamericanrevolution.fm/boston-tea-party-schedule-1967---1970.html

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

I haven't seen it since it originally circulated but I coulda sworn they namecheck Sun Ra and James Brown?

xpp

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:24 (Yesterday) Permalink

all the vu boston tea party shows are worth hearing -- definitely seems like the place they were most comfortable playing. annoying that none of them were recorded via the sbd though.

tylerw, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:36 (Yesterday) Permalink

I know I'd read a Sterling interview where he made negative comments about the 5 and wondered what the story was for years. Think I remember it having something to do with that Motherfuckas night.

It's in Up-Tight

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

Think I read the whole interview on Olandem, Electricity Comes From Other Planets or whatever it's called.

&isn't there a quote in Uptight about Boston becoming a home away from home once they gave up on NYC. What was the story there? Dom being given away while they were in California or something & them no longer having a place to play?

Stevolende, Friday, 31 October 2014 21:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah there weren't really places for them to play -- they were kind of on the outs with the fillmore/bill graham scene. think it was also a part of their manager's overall strategy.

tylerw, Friday, 31 October 2014 21:18 (Yesterday) Permalink

O. Landemaine bought my copy of "Sweet Sister Ray" when I sold it on ebay, back in the day

Mark G, Saturday, 1 November 2014 11:34 (1 hour ago) Permalink


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