If you're going to include the Monorchid, you have to include Skull Control, yes? And, for a history lesson, the Screamers 2 CD retrospective (and Synthpunk.com) might be worth your while.
― David Raposa, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― RickyT, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
antioch arrow: the birthday party on 78 rpm? really, really fast (but not speed metal fast) spastic hardcore. supposedly there's a keyboard buried in the mix somewhere as well. damned if i can hear it.
angel hair: bauhaus x die kruezen + celtic frost? again, spasmotron hardcore with the best screamer of the 90s. mutated into...
the vss: a hardcore version of p.i.l.? an even more unhinged/compacted jesus lizard? noo wave terror. amped up gothic-y keyboard bits meets pile drive rock. best of the lot in my opinion.
clikitat ikatowi: the BEST hardcore/punk drummer i've ever heard. when i was in college and looking to form a band, i played the opening track on the live album for a friend/drummer. he just sorta shook his head "there's no way i can play that fast and intricate dude." we're not talking prog here. it's got a lot more HEFT. the guitars have a trebly, skeletal wipers-thing going on. sounds like it was recorded in a wind tunnel and all the better for it. only hardcore record to feature harmonica?
monorchid: stop-start neo-post punk. twin guitarists in the best roland howard/mick harvey tradition. chris thomson sounds like mark e. smith after an eight hour pixie stick binge.
born against: occasionally brilliant, occasionally atrocious political hardcore romper room rumpus.
there were other bands to record in and around the gravity axis (evergreen = limp indie rock, physics = tangerine dream, three mile pilot = occasionally brilliant dark rock and roll, huggy bear = well, you know), but these represent the best of the dark, seedy grind they got going at their best.
― jess, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andy, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
i'm calling the writing police on myself for that one.
not a bad skater either...
Joey also used to do a well acclaimed radio show after mine on KUCI during his booking days. So, yeah, he's always been a mover and shaker, and it's nice to see The Locust getting some recognition.
― Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
If Young Pioneers count as "hardcore" (I'm not sure they do, I'm not sure Clikitat Ikatowi does either), then there's another band with records featuring harmonica.
― hstencil, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― g, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Colin Meeder, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― David Raposa, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The only thing keeping me from buying most of the records mentioned on this thread is credit card fear.
― David Raposa, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
As for sampling metal band live dialog, the clear winner is, of course, Charles Bronson's classic "Live in Fucking Belgium".
― Brian MacDonald, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jel, Saturday, 19 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Brian MacDonald, Saturday, 19 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― David Raposa, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Brian MacDonald, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Matt Deapo, Monday, 8 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
REVIVE: because this came up in a google search for the hated (i'm downloading...colin your lawyers can reach me at this address), and also because it preps you for my upcoming epic treatise on 90s hardcore on freaky trigger!! (provided tom checks his email still.)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rimbaud, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link
no mention of struggle yet either. neat guitar player ;)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago) link
"leave" is the best heroin song.
three mile pilot, rftc, drive like jehu were always "indie rock", never "emo" (ie, they didn't play the che cafe every thursday).
heavy vegetable did play the TGs though.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago) link
I forgive you, gygax, because I know you're wrong.
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link
Because all of their records are out of print?
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link
Actually, my favorite Antioch Arrow song is "Paper Moshay" off "Gems"... they're still the only band to properly fuse the Rozz Williams-over-Rock-Chaos thing very well on that record.. if only the rest of the album was like that, but still, yeah, great record. The earlier ones are powerhouses but get a bit grating and samey after a while, whereas i'm more likely to listen to "Gems" time after time.
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link
well, heh, aside from Only Theatre Of Pain of course... minus the chaos.
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link
― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link
― LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link
― LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link
― sherm, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link
OH IRONEE
I'm now ripping through the Antioch Arrow stuff.
I'm trying to I.D. those four bonus live cuts on the In Love With Jetts Plus WAU CD... The first is "Antioch Gold (For You)" and the fourth one is "Chaos vs. Cosmos". I can't figure out the two in between. Also still trying to figure out if those live recordings are at a wrong slower speed, or the singer had gotten a Nick Cave larynx operation. Anyone know what those last four live tracks are?
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I tried searching for this thread a few times with variations on "gothed-out hardcore".
Anyway, Angel Hair = <3
― Sundar, Monday, 2 March 2009 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I need to listen to the Angelhair CD again... I'm glad I never sold off those VSS releases.. they sound a lot better on revisit than I expected.
anyway, I think those four live AA cuts areAntioch Gold (For You)The Puppy LoveSpace AgeChaos vs. Cosmos
and I found this live Antioch Arrow footage from 1992-1993 or so.
Elvis wish he had shakier legs
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 01:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Put on VSS' Nervous Circuits two days ago on a drive down the I-5 and it still sounded so, so good.
― bear, bear, bear, Monday, 2 March 2009 05:33 (fifteen years ago) link
so did that Hated discography CD ever come out? I saw them once before Colin, once after, great both times. Used to have the 1st 7" and the tape but stupidly sold them years ago. I'd love to have that stuff on CD especially if as noted above things were mastered at the wrong speed.
― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link
also, search the 1st two UOA 7" singles.
is it even still possible to track down later UOA stuff or Clikitat without paying big bucks on eBay?
― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Order-Armageddon/dp/B00000372U
If you don't mind CD, as far as UOA is concerned. Not really big bucks.
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Unraveling/dp/B00000373Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1236012692&sr=1-1
This is the better CD, IMHO. And seems to be creeping up as collector's item.
I saw Great Unraveling once. They were amazing, although the singer tried really hard to convince self that nobody was there to see his band and seemed to look for an excuse to not play. Never saw UOA.
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link
thanx Mackro. I saw UoA play for free once (1994?) in Eugene's downtown market square, they were really good and had these awesome low-volume tape loops running in between the songs.
― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/jam-session/2012/jun/07/picture-jeff-cancer-free-anitoch-arrow-guitarist-t/
― etc, Friday, 8 June 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
search heroin's discography cd, containing the best hardcore (punk) record of the 90s. (followed closely by born against's patriotic hymns for children.
search -everything- on gravity records, but esp. the first antioch arrow 12", the angel hair discography CD, the mighty clikitat ikatowi's live CD, the VSS's nervous circuits,the born against/universal order of armageddon split 7", the uoa dub 12", the men's recovery project 7".
non-gravity: the universal order of armageddon and great unravelling 12"s on kill rock stars, i guess early unwound counts here, the monorchid, the first rye coalition album.
destroy: humorless/style-less political hardcore inna ebullition stylee, former spazz-core bands copping bowie moves (the rapture, get hustle, etc.), the locust and all who sail her stillborn waters.
― jess, Monday, January 7, 2002 8:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is so otm, if it wasn't ten years ago (and pre-ILX for me), I'd have sworn I wrote this under a different name.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/32958255/Discography.jpg
picked this up for $5 tonight ... so fucking good, feel like i'm 17 again
― the late great, Thursday, 26 March 2015 05:38 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81pHfBGI90A
― the late great, Thursday, 26 March 2015 06:32 (nine years ago) link
https://www.thewire.co.uk/audio/tracks/wire-playlist-san-diego-hardcore
― fpsa, Monday, 17 April 2023 15:33 (one year ago) link