― M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Later, post-Born Again-era Sabs? Eh, not so much.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link
except for the classic, vintage lineup's last couple albums. technical ecstasy, anyone? anyone???
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link
There's a thread in the archive on this very subject.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Taking sides : Zeppelin or Sabbath
Taking Sides: Led Zeppelin Vol. 4 vs. Black Sabbath Vol.4
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyways one of the best love songs of all time is "Sweet Leaf."
― steve hise, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
robert christgau
― elrod hendrix, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
yeah, he just made my case. if there were a meter for classic, the red part would go 0 +1 +2 BLACK SABBATH.
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link
My favorite all time UNDER-mentioned Sab songs: "Hand of Doom" "A National Acrobat" "The Thrill Of It All" "Junior's Eyes"
― pheNAM (pheNAM), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
-- steve hise (shistee...), October 27th, 2004.
Sweat Loaf comes ridiculously close to bettering it though.
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link
OK, unless you're really not into heavy rock or metal. Is this the case for you Myonga?
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link
[I couldn't believe that Sabbath even deserved the classic/dud treatment, because I couldn't believe that ANYONE considered 'em duds. I was gonna post an are-you-kidding? reply immediately after my "DUD" assessment. But just before I did, I read Xgau's little blurb about "drug-impaired reaction time" and thought it would be HIGH-larious to wait awhile before changing my opinion, then finally changing it FOR REAL, and then blaming my long delay on...yep, you guessed it! It might've been funnier if I'd waited a day or two, but I've always been terribly impatient.]
Anyway, again, CLASSIC through first six albums; and even the inferior Dio and Gillan lineups produced a great LP between 'em.
Finally, one of these days I'm going to finally buy Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, just to see if they're really as bad as they're reputed.
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 28 October 2004 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 27th, 2004.
-- Myonga Von Bontee (scottyfield...), October 28th, 2004.
Never heard Technical Ecstacy, but Never Say Die is grebt for the:
- Cover art - Title track - The start of 'Air Dance'
The rest is decent, listenable stuff, just not as good as what came before (and it's got synths, not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 28 October 2004 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 07:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sasha on a different PC, Friday, 29 October 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Please someone tell me they know the two songs on "The Ozzman Cometh" comp: "Black Sabbath" ('70 Basement Tapes) and "War Pigs" (1970 Basement Tapes).
Both of these songs are clear evidence that BIMBLE IS MORE GOTH THAN YOU.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 21 September 2008 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Um there's actually more than two basement tapes on that comp (if you get the 2xcd version). Don't forget the awesome versions of "Fairies Wear Boots" and "Behind the Wall of Sleep".
I love the production of those tunes and all the alternate lyrics and verses. Total godhead.
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 21 September 2008 09:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah I will have to get the 2xCD version.
A goth's work is never done.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 21 September 2008 09:37 (fifteen years ago) link
is that "war pigs" the "walpurgis" version with the satan/witch themed lyrics? i love that.
― REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 September 2008 10:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah that's what it is, dude.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 21 September 2008 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
That...
Just... No. Ugh.
― novaheat, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link
<3 cindy und bert <3
― cuisine of demise (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Dehumanize is good too people.
― III IV V (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
heaven & hell did a dehumanizer song that was pretty good. i only knew it was dehumanizer because they put the cover to that album up on the big video screen
― d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Probably Computer God. Maybe TV Crimes.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Back in 2007 Heaven and Hell played "After All (The Dead)", "Computer God", and "I"...the latter of which sounded really great. That song's held up very well.
― A. Begrand, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
You've got to be kidding me.
http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE54T00420090531
Advantage: Iommi.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
that should infact be a poll
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
poll w/ one option
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
you click on where it says new pollhttp://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Poll/EnterPollInformationControllerServlet?boardid=41
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:
mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?
― Plunge Protection Team, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I also want to say, having not checked in on this thread in a bit, reading the last dozen or so posts had me laughing until I cried, something that has not occurred for a long while, and certainly not in the last couple of months. It made me really appreciate the wit and love of music that i find here, and I thank you all for it.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link
Ward plays all over that empty space though (somewhat awkwardly)― calstars, Monday, February 24, 2020 12:33 PM bookmarkflaglink
THEN IT'S NOT EMPTY SPACE
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
Well it would be, though, if Ward wasn’t playing
― calstars, Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link
some people say my love, can it be true?skibadeebeebopbowskibadeeboo
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, February 24, 2020 9:53 AM (five months ago) bookmarkflaglink
this made my day
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 2 August 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link
best Black Sabbath lineup:Paul ChambersGene KrupaKenny BurrellRonnie James Dio
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 2 August 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
https://wickedworld.net/
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:24 (three years ago) link
50th anniversary Paranoid reissue, with quad mix and two 1970 concert recordings.
hmm. Sorry the link didn't copy correctly
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link
https://img.tmstor.es/blacksabbath/66276-fb02dbf164975e0193063b3874665474.jpg
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
This is the vinyl (read: overpriced and sonically inferior) version of a CD box that came out in 2016.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71TVIyDV3ML.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 21 August 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link
You can trust Sabbath to keep on milking it
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link
Paranoid 5LP Super Deluxe first two LPs feature the original album plus a Quadraphonic Mix. The collection's final three LPs mark the official vinyl debut of two 1970 live performances. https://t.co/RxFLfHNSPm pic.twitter.com/5vjBkSLuPl— BlackSabbath (@BlackSabbath) August 21, 2020
I'd like to hear the quadrophonic mix. But not enough to pay so much cash
― Duke, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
I've heard the quad mix and it's groovy, but don't really see the point of "1974 Quad Mix of the album folded down to stereo". One of the things I dig about it is how it adds a bit of psychedelia: a guitars solo circles around the room, etc. I don't listen to 5.1 much but tend to prefer the "gimmicky" ones a bit more than those that just add a bit of tasteful atmosphere, though. (IIRC the quad mix was released as a 5.1 disc on one of the other numerous reissues of this record?)
― blatherskite, Friday, 21 August 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
Never been much of a Dr. Martens guy, but… I kinda want this:
https://www.drmartens.com/uk/en_gb/collaborations/black-sabbath
― pomenitul, Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/KsVteid.pngLovely lads
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 02:37 (one year ago) link
Bill Ward's tights on the cover of Sabotage were the beginning of the end. Or maybe the end of the beginning.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
so here are some of my favorite versions of the black sabbath song "planet caravan". a singular tune in sabbath's catalog, yes?
rondellusadelinethe anomanonbig bloodnoviluniodarksidemoon duohula hi-fi
any other versions you rate highly, lmk. i guess there's mercury rev's version, but it doesn't seem to add much to the original?
oh and the lyrics to the early alternate version are _so bad_. thank god they floyded it up some.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link
Yeah PC is a singular vibe in their canon. I feel like they tried to revisit it to some extent via “solitiude...” I will always remember the first time I heard it, climbing up the stairs to my cousins room in his big house
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:27 (one year ago) link
I'll post this again, my attempt to make Sabbath a weird psych band
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6KAiYTobROEmgOk0uDMQJh?si=n_qOrOp4ThSewb2U_Z3k1Q&utm_source=copy-link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:46 (one year ago) link
Supertzar? I guess it…doesn’t have drums
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link
I guess by the time of Vol. 4, the Sabbath ballads like "Changes" were playing to the crowd more than the highly introverted quiet interludes on the earlier albums.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:56 (one year ago) link
By contrast, "Planet Caravan" doesn't even sound like someone singing to themselves, it sounds like an unconscious act.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
Picturing Ossie in the spotlight with a grand piano
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link
"Here's a little number we like to call 'God Is Dead?'"
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:03 (one year ago) link
“This next one is the first track off our new album…”
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:06 (one year ago) link
that Moon Duo cover of "Planet Caravan" totally rules
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:11 (one year ago) link
I trust everyone has seen the live in Paris 1970 footage on youtube by now. Iron Man on that jesus fucking christ.
― even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link
I’m sure there’s a thread about this very thing but the differential between the cover of Sabotage (aggressively terrible) vs the content (absolutely rad and on any given day could be my fave) is stark
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:00 (one year ago) link
I don't know what you're talking about LOL
https://dx72k0ec4onep.cloudfront.net/product/1616/282536311478247228-640x640-5414939920837.jpg
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:04 (one year ago) link
Home in the skyyy-iyyyy
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:05 (one year ago) link
Bill Ward did not know they were shooting the cover that day.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link
Ozzy looks great though.
― Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
6’ 6” in heels
― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:22 (one year ago) link
has ilx ever polled black sabbath album covers?
for the record those tights are rad. versus who's the guy on the left in chino pants? is that geezer butler? dud. i mean they all look awful next to ozzy of course but bill is the second best looking guy on that cover, he's got this weird elfin energy that sums up sabbath's aesthetic really well
btw ums i have enjoyed that weird psych band sabbath comp you put together for... i don't know. probably more than a decade, now? but planet caravan is still in a class by itself.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 2 May 2022 04:05 (one year ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, May 1, 2022 4:53 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Great to be back
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 May 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link
Yeah, that's Geezer in the chinos and the giant ass cross, which is typically Tony's look.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 2 May 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link
Heels or no heels, I've stood next to Ozzy, and based on that, the other guys in Sabbath must be fucking dwarves. I'm not a giant, — I'm 6'2" — and he's supposedly 5'10" but I think he's at least two inches shorter than that. (He was wearing old-man velcro sneakers at the time.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 2 May 2022 14:37 (one year ago) link
He might well be shrinking
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 2 May 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6GTf6rOepQ
― calstars, Thursday, 5 May 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
Jazz Sabbath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qcr708w1HY
oh yes
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 11:50 (one year ago) link
This is Geezer Butler- he wrote this!
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 December 2022 11:53 (one year ago) link
Jizz Sabbath
― calstars, Friday, 2 December 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link
sorry i think you will find the true story on their Bandcamp page:
Jazz Sabbath (1968) were considered to be at the forefront of the new English jazz movement. Their self-titled debut album would be released on 13 Feb 1970, but on Feb 12th founding member and pianist Milton Keanes was hospitalised with a massive heart attack; leaving him fighting for his life. The record company shelved the album and cancelled the scheduled release out of financial uncertainty of releasing a debut album from a band without its musical leader. When Milton was released from hospital in September 1970, he found out that a band from Birmingham, conveniently called ‘Black Sabbath’, had since released two albums containing so-called metal versions of his songs. His recalled albums had been destroyed in a warehouse fire in June 1970; leaving only a few bootleg tapes of Jazz Sabbath’s live performances as proof of existence. The master tapes, believed to be lost in the fire, were found in 2019. These songs will now finally be heard; proving that the heavy metal band worshipped by millions are in fact nothing more than musical charlatans, thieving the music from a bedridden, hospitalised genius.
When Milton was released from hospital in September 1970, he found out that a band from Birmingham, conveniently called ‘Black Sabbath’, had since released two albums containing so-called metal versions of his songs. His recalled albums had been destroyed in a warehouse fire in June 1970; leaving only a few bootleg tapes of Jazz Sabbath’s live performances as proof of existence.
The master tapes, believed to be lost in the fire, were found in 2019. These songs will now finally be heard; proving that the heavy metal band worshipped by millions are in fact nothing more than musical charlatans, thieving the music from a bedridden, hospitalised genius.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link
Black Challops
― calstars, Friday, 2 December 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link
Lmao James
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link
That version of Iron Man is pretty awesome
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Friday, 2 December 2022 19:18 (one year ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2023/feb/08/black-sabbath-ballet-to-be-staged-in-birmingham
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link