falling in love with the cocteaus again.

Btw, on a track on "Victorialand" ( I could never remember which album track was which) does she really sing "Roddy Frame is losing hair" ? It sure sounds like it.

http://www.mcilwaine12.utvinternet.com/ctuk/lyrics/

with some genuine looking lyrics
(mostly from the later stuff
but god knows where they got them from
as they're not published)
and some not so real looking ones
(4ad era.)
is she really singing
'we'll be soaked and ruddy' on 'pearly dewdrops' drops' ?

still, one actual transcription
by liz confirms after all these years that
the full 'whales tails' lyric *does* actually run

'cim keel makilagh teluxa sulomegh yeilick
vola-vola coco la fulla menag'

i thought as much.

;)!

I've want my absent copy of 'Heaven or Las Vegas' back rather badly recently.

The big 80s drum sound is the one irksome thing about 'Treasure'.

Most wise.

DM didn't really get good until 'Black Celebration' shorely.

Dan Perry to thread and all that. I'll allow you CTA, but Some Great Reward is genius without parallel.

My faves, though, remain "the Spangle Maker," "Crushed" and "Summerhead,"....the latter of which can practically induce tears at its sheer gorgeosness.

And Julio, I don't know what the double cd comp is that you heard, but Victorialand is nowhere near their best album, nor even in their top 5. It does not stand as even a decent indication of their sound on the whole. 'Heaven...' is their best, or at least has had the most staying power for me....give it a spin if you get a chance.

_Construction Time Again_ is a fantastic album, partially because it's the last chance you get to hear Alan Wilder sing on a DM album and partially because "Everything Counts" and "Love In Itself" are great singles and "Shame" is one of their best songs.

Ok then. the comp was reelased on 4AD a couple of years ago. tracks from their career really. again, it was OK but hardly a knockout.

Maybe start with Heaven or Las Vegas, which is both the sweetest-sounding release they did (it seems to just ooze sugary vanilla and cherry flavour in some spots) or try something like The Pink Opaque, which is an earlier compilation which still seems to work just fine as an album, and has some of their best tracks, including "Pearly Dewdrops' Drops". Knowing what I know of your tastes, I have a feeling you might actually like Garlands, too, because it's a lot more dissonant and dark.

yeah, that was it!

''Maybe start with Heaven or Las Vegas, which is both the sweetest-sounding release they did (it seems to just ooze sugary vanilla and cherry flavour in some spots) or try something like The Pink Opaque, which is an earlier compilation which still seems to work just fine as an album, and has some of their best tracks, including "Pearly Dewdrops' Drops". Knowing what I know of your tastes, I have a feeling you might actually like Garlands, too, because it's a lot more dissonant and dark.''

Ok i'll have to try garlands. might pick it up tonight if i'm quick enough.

Staving off a pavement-cracking hangover and cursing my job as I woke -- BEFORE THE BABY (this is practically unheard of) this Sunday morning to put in pre-election week double duty here at the Newsdesk, I walked outside to find an unseasonably glorious Autumn day and toggled up ye olde Cocteau Twins on the iPod for a stroll to midtown. In no time at all, my petty complaints and visceral disdain for my fellow man were temporarily put on the back burner of an entirely different stove and I glid down the leaf-strewn, sunsplashed avenues of this fair metropolis as if buoyed by a giggley coterie of silk-winged cherubim and robustly voluptious, flaxen-locked centaurettes.

I honestly cannot think of any other music that can replicate this effect.

I think some of their best work was released on the EPs; I'd encourage anyone who is just starting to explore their work to hunt down the older import "The Pink Opaque" or more recent "Stars and Topsoil" compilations. Or just buy the EP box set. Songs like "Spangle Maker", "Aikea Guinea" and "Pink Orange Red" are some of CT's finest and shouldn't be missed.

I love the big, ringing sound of the "Love's Easy Tears" ep. "Orange Appled" is one of my top three favourite CT tracks.

http://www.funk.ne.jp/~tx/cocteautwins/ct_jake/box_jake/cocteaubox1small.jpg

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An amazing set ... and their best EP's (the "Twinlights"/"Otherness" twinbill) were still to come!

I may have written this on another thread: "Twinlights" and "Otherness", taken together, would be easily the best CT album.

*caution*!! the japanese version (which has the cds in actual
jewel cases as opposed to cd-single cases) is the one u want,
but the trax are the same.

there's still one on the shelf in KINGBEE RECORDS manchester
(about half a mile from my house).

the US version was like this as well. Is there a UK version that is different? Is the box thinner?

It occurred to me that a good band doing a version of "Musette and Drums" via a huge sound system would be genius.

i almost agree, but can't completely because of the overwhelming sadness (to my ears anyway) on those eps. they are wonderful though. and quite a solid package together too. i wrote a random phone number on the case to "twinlights" and i curse that damn number everytime i look at the case.

every once in awhile i'll pull out blue bell knoll or four calendar cafe and bliss out. "spanglemaker" is my favorite though. i can't imagine treasure without those big fake drums either.

The whole EP is perhaps a perfect summation of that period of the band, but yeah, the song itself...man. A friend, many years ago, said she envisioned the song almost like a green slip of material, a scarf or something silken, twirling through a dark cavern that suddenly at the end came forward and enveloped you and took you somewhere else. It was a striking and strictly visual metaphor for the song that has never left me.

And there's no new album to promote so that leaves the set lists wiiiiiiide open.

http://www.nme.com/news/111427.htm

..and last night.

so the box set then. in february it's coming out in 2 seperate volumes (for like, a tenner each) usefully bisecting their career into 'the amazing 4ad bits 82 - 90' and 'the boring fontana biot onwards'. which is very nice.

Their music was such an important part of my old life (which is why I've been reluctant to write much about them) and for years I couldn't listen to them - it was too painful - but now, in my new life, I can.

Now that's magic.

Charlie, I recommend following your Cocteau purchases in one direction or the other -- I mean, I'd push like Treasure or at least Blue Bell Knoll on you, but if you want to head in their hot-milky-bath direction, start the other way!

having just uncovered this powerful band quite recently, i'm suddenly confronted with the delightful chore of navigating their back catalogue, and i find myself treading a little carefully so as to not overdose on all the riches at once. i think i'll go with 'treasure' next, and then take it step by step from there. :)

i'll suss out that ep. collection tomorrow i think. particularly since the material is strong.

i know it's been said many times many ways but my god what a band.

You betcha.

damn I haven't listened to the Cocteau Twins in like a year now, time for another obsessed dive

I'm not as big a fan as many around here, but some of their singles -- e.g., Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops -- are near perfect pop songs.

crikey (no sadly not a reunion before anyone gets their hopes up)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/may/01/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-meltdown

Shitting kittens!

interesting phrase!

Fraser has quietly assembled almost an album's worth of new material, which will form the basis of a 75-minute set with a band including Reece, multi-instrumentalist Thighspaulsandra from experimental band Coil and ex-Spiritualized bassist Sean Cook. Ex-Genesis guitarist Steve Hackett may also feature.

I demand a recording of this as soon as this set is performed.

Yeah, okay, that url made me think the story was about something altogether unpleasant. But good on her!

Meanwhile in the last sentence...

Also appearing at Meltdown will be Marc Almond, Diamanda Galas and Laurie Anderson, with other major names still to be announced

Damn.. This might be something to go to...

Jesus crow. I just saw this pop up on the 4ad FB group and Im all a fluster. If I could rely on it to actually HAPPEN I would be going into hock for tickets to the UK right now, but I cant risk her piking.

And Steve Hackett! wtf. I have to tell my ex, he is going to go mental.

If I could rely on it to actually HAPPEN I would be going into hock for tickets to the UK right now, but I cant risk her piking

It'll happen. Contracts and all that will have been signed. Plus, from the interview she sounds pretty upbeat about it.

I'd say "hooray" because it's not a 'reunion'

Because a 'reunion' is one gig then everyone disappears.

Whereas this seems like a new album/gig, so more likely a beginning of something.

Shitting kittens!

interesting phrase!

― suburban buttshaven cannibal (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:51 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

t'was the original title of "Sugar Hiccup" you know..

nice piece with Robin from a Xmas special edition of MOJO last year.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6791081375_2d669f5e8a_o.jpg

just got tickets to the Bath gig

Are you saying they're doing a reunion show??

sorry, no, just Liz

yeah she might do a few CT tracks it looks like. short gig otherwise i'd wager.

Thanks for posting the Mojo piece.

My Bloody Valentine? They were just another little indie band to begin with. Lush interested me more because they could actually write songs and had ideas.

He sounds like he's too insecure to admit how good My Bloody Valentine are. Which - if the case - is sad, considering how satisfied he should be with his own body of work. It wouldn't diminish his band in any way. Then again, maybe that mix of insecurity and competitiveness helped him reach the heights he did with CT?...

The only Cocteaus records that make me cringe are the Twinlights and Otherness EPs (from 1995). Twinlights is acoustic and has violins and shite like that, and Otherness is pointless remixes.

I kind of agree with him about Twinlights; I think the instrumentation wasn't up to par. An intriguing exercise - I don't think it's a failure, by any means... But I consider the Otherness EP to be an essential final jewel in their crown. Just listen to the direction that that EP took their live set in; it was yet another breathtaking step in their evolution.

Example 1: The way it drops out at around 3:20 and resurfaces in remix form is a thing of beauty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iQpaUZP5t4&list=PLA6C6A1D4FF638880&index=3&feature=plpp_video

Example 2: Definitely NOT a pointless remix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXkhpT7wmo4&list=PLA6C6A1D4FF638880&index=4&feature=plpp_video

Oops, video #2 is supposed to be this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXkhpT7wmo4&list=PLA6C6A1D4FF638880&index=4&feature=plpp_video

Argh. Technical ineptitude. Sorry. It's supposed to be a video of Aloysius live from 1996. Definitely worth checking out if you haven't already done so.

He sounds like he's too insecure to admit how good My Bloody Valentine are. Which - if the case - is sad, considering how satisfied he should be with his own body of work. It wouldn't diminish his band in any way. Then again, maybe that mix of insecurity and competitiveness helped him reach the heights he did with CT?...

No, it's because RG was one of that group of people who actually remember MBV as this shambolic live band stumbling round the London scene in the mid to late 80s. As opposed to people who just heard these amazing records coming out of nowhere and presumed they were always that brilliant.

(And I say that as someone who was part of that latter group. But I know quite a few people who remember MBV as an early band, and their later success was, shall we say, unexpected.)

https://open.spotify.com/user/bellaunion/playlist/7E80P0mDTqpCiPbCLVkaUK?si=NTDqk34FTPG0fCIBzjMmfw

A Cocteaus playlist Simon Raymonde made and shared yesterday saying “I coulda chosen any but these just suited my mood”. Surprising either way as he doesn’t talk about his Cocteau past much.

Hope that link works.

Had an In The Gold Dust Rush IPA the other day. The can even looked like it was designed by Vaughan Oliver. It was quite good!

Being in Cocteau Twins from 21-35 years of age, was like riding on a rollercoaster for 1/2 a lifetime. Thrilling at times, then a bit nauseous, then wanting to get off, but realising you can't and gritting your teeth but also finding moments of sad beauty to savour amongst the terror. Here are 13.

Melancholy of the festive season hitting hard! Thanks for sharing Pisces, it's lovely.

(can someone post a tracklisting for those of us who don't spotify? ta)

01. For Phoebe Still a Baby
02. Eperdu
03. Cico Buff
04. Fifty-fifty Clown
05. Watchlar
06. I Wear Your Ring
07. A Kissed Out Red Floatboat
08. Crushed
09. Those Eyes, That Mouth
10. Athol-brose
11. Orange Appled
12. Calfskin Smack
13. Blue Bell Knoll