Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

If there are two Amys/Rorys it would probably explain why he bought them that new house and made them live in Colchester. Naah, I think the whole thing would make sense anyway it if wasn't for that newspaper and the whole episode was set in 5 years time or something.

maybe it's an issue printed on psychic paper by the silence

I don't get why Moffatt doesn't just have a big timeline where he marks all these things out?

Still, I can see why the Doctor might carelessly leave Amy & Rory in the right place a few months too early, he's kind of sloppy when it comes to things like that.

A&R not being that arsed about their baby is the big annoying hole in this series though, definitely. Especially given its a baby they already know as a grown-up and has been snatched away and trained to kill the Doctor. It doesn't make sense that they'd then just carry on jaunting around as space tourists. Weird thing is, there'd be so many legitimate reasons to be going to these planets, like as part of the search or something, that it's weird these just weren't written in.

The self-contained, non-Moffatt episodes all have the air of being hastily shoehorned into the overall plot. It was fine in the first half of the season but feels more awkward as things progress.

That said, I don't buy that it's any more inconsistent than usual. It's always inconsistent, it depends all on the highs and lows. If anything I think they're both less high and low than normal - nothing that's made me go "fuck that was awful" but equally nothing amazing either, although the first couple of eps were terrific.

I'm sure Moffat would have a big timeline - surely the only way to do it - whether he remembers everything to put on it is a different matter, but main characters wd be there you'd imagine.

I was very bored by that episode, although I'm not sure there was really much wrong with it. (too many bloody living rooms in this half of the series - not enough disused quarries) but yes, they did mention it was Colchester.

I never understood what people saw in "The Lodger", but, have to say, I did enjoy this episode a lot. It was one of the few 'funny'/lightweight/Gareth Roberts eps that has worked. Really couldn't care less about the ming-mong-y stuff.

Just watched - Craig definitely mentions they're in Colchester. Timey-wimey hurting my head, lot of issues mentioned discussed by us - getting to Utah by tomorrow, how do Amy and Rory not remember they are River's parents when they get to Utah tomorrow for the events of The Impossible Astronaut, etc.

Still remain vaguely confident they will be explained, but seems a lot to fit into one ep.

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There you go, sorted.

Anyone expecting too much more than that probably needs to speak to someone who lived through the LOST finale.

Meh episode with some laughs and once more HUMAN EMOTIONAL LOVE saving the day. Didn't any of the thousands of people cybered up in all those other episodes have babies they loved so much they could reverse the conversion?

THEY DIDN'T LOVE ENOUGH

We need to crowd-source a complete list of questions to be answered next, s we can tick them off as we watch and double our fun.

down w/ this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/28/doctor-who-confidential-axed

Amazed this was still a thing tbh

I've only ever watched a few of those, and reckon it must be a real pain in the arse to work on a show where not only do you have to do takes, but you have to spend so much time in between takes explaining what you're doing, instead of just standing around smoking and freezing your ass off.

i often enjoy these more than the show

Even if there is a shit handwave there's no way it will be as bad as the Lost finale.

list! now!

Jacob?

The Doctor, Rory, River and Amy are all already dead and in purgatory this whole season.

The series will end with the Doctor and all his Nu-Who companions* looking happy in a church.

*Except the black people.

list

1) WHY THE HELL DID ALL THE UNIVERSE EXPLORE

britain's obtusest yoda

EXPLODE

The Doctor, Rory, River and Amy are all already dead and in purgatory this whole season.

Trying to fit this to a LOST template and coming up with Jack, Charlie, Boibee/Walter and Clare. Patch lady = Mikhail. K9 guest appearance as Vincent. Master = MiB. Can't fit Kate in, maybe as Alternaworld Rose who gets to shag AlternaDoctor/Jack.

(If you ignore the whole afterlife story threads of the final lost season it is about 10x better than you might recall because that was a total blight on the story and a blatant CON and BETRAYAL of the contract with the audience. I still believe this.)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls62yvdGCR1r3itvoo1_400.jpg

http://oi53.tinypic.com/2a6knww.jpg

This is assuming that people who don't watch Community are familiar with INSPECTOR SPACETIME yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSyIgydYfs

hoo boy

what better way to mark the olympics than reminding ourselves of the WORST EPISODE EVAR

I was wondering if people outside London ----> England ---->over there can handle "Fear Her" better because they (us) aren't hearing on the news shows all the time about an impending Olympics event. Like if "Fear Her" had taken place in Salt Lake City in 1999 would I be as cranky as the internet?
answer: no one likes "Fear Her"

I didn't like "Fear Her", also wb

Well, that was shit.

Well, that was shit.

― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Saturday, October 1, 2011 6:51 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark

It also now means Silence in the Library doesn't make sense. Why would Emo Doc wonder why River told him he was really a man inside a giant robot, or more importantly why would it mean anything to him - since it not only hasn't happened yet, but never happens to HIM?

he might have told her more than one thing

ANYWAY, STILL SHIT

It also now means Silence in the Library doesn't make sense. Why would Emo Doc wonder why River told him he was really a man inside a giant robot, or more importantly why would it mean anything to him - since it not only hasn't happened yet, but never happens to HIM?

It only doesn't make sense if you're assuming the Doctor didn't tell River his name at any other point in her life.

I kind of enjoyed that even though it was basically kid-in-a-toyshop bollocks. The handwave was less annoying than the reset button I'd been expecting, but the implications of the Doctor lying low don't really make sense, when you consider that a later one will be presumably be hanging out at some point post-2011 and everyone will realise.

I think that might be it for me and Doctor Who. I'm sick of the speeches, the myth of the romantic, lonely Doctor, the Murray Gold music, the bullshit "everyone loves you and they all came to help save you". I wouldn't give any new programme this long to improve before I dropped it.

^^^ that.

i'm going to need a couple of days for some wiki page somewhere to update so I can understand this whole series, I think. Didn't help that it was split, neither.

Some cute nods (Brigadier dying, referring to Rory as the man who dies and dies again...) and some Rusty-type wankery (Simon Callow wanking on about shit on BBC Breakfast), but mostly completely fucking irritatingly just OK.

Still hate the Amy/Rory dynamic.

So, all you need in order to fool time, existence and everything is a robot? The Doctor's death is a fixed point only in so far as a mannequin of him will do for the death point.

death part, sorry.

Yeah, the BBC Breakfast bit was wank, like Rusty but with added Moffat at his most smug. Otherwise, the opening section was great, quite bonkers really. The pyramids as Area 52 was a nice touch.
I must admit I didn't see the Teselector as Doctor resolution coming. I'd dismissed the idea it would be something to do with the Gangers, and assumed it was something timey-wimey instead, while the solution was in clear view. Crafty sleight of hand from Moffat that.
I'm not sure the episode was entirely satisfying - it was a bit rushed, and Moffat was trying to do too much perhaps. But I think the way it sets up the next series, with the Doctor in the shadows is quite ingenious, and allows us to go back to more self-contained episodes, with the Doctor off on various adventures. As fun as the arc shenanigans were, I do think the strongest, most satisfying episodes of the series were the relatively self-contained episodes. Think God Complex and The Doctor's Wife were the best this season. Moffat would do well to write a stand-alone creeper of an episode, rather than try to out-clever-clogs himself with another elaborate arc.
Also, the idea of exploring the Doctor's past is interesting, picking up where McCoy's season left off.

kind of wish the episode had ended with everyone thinking the dr was dead? possibly with something involving ppl ~taking on his mantle~ or going looking for him to bring him back or really anything that wasn't so annoyingly triumphalist and handwavey.

and really anything other than that question bullshit, which was total oh my god moffat way to ruin the entire fucking forty-odd year run of this damn television show.

all downhill since press gang imho

i kind of assume the "laying low bcz believed dead" doctor is being set up for a seasonful of stand-alone creepers

there was lots of misdirection and sleight-of-hand: i liked that (i'd guessed he'd be the tesselector) (bcz i am 901 years old) -- but this should have been a two-piece i think; the silence in particular got very short-changed, and a bit too much was introduced, explained, deployed and left behind in just this one ep

the "power of love" was a very cheeky misdirect: it had little role to play in what followed, and -- i am happy to believe -- was just a massive fib from river to get the doctor into the right mood at the right moment to agree to the right thing (this doctor likes that kind of stuff even if no one else does) (if river HAD set up that beacon the entire universe would have responded just like trishyb upthread; hence she didn't and was just lying and/or deluding herself)

i liked it mostly -- he's better at moments and visual oo-stuff than arc, for sure, and i'm more interested in moments and visual oo-stuff, to be honest (because the more coherent the arcs, the less timelines there can possibly be)

in fact quite a lot of this ep -- as a friend just pointed out in a different timeline -- seemed to be subtly disassembling a lot of now-quite-unhelpful RTD-era continuity-baggage

But we aren't going to get a season of stand-alone creepers because (and I didn't mention it for fear of spoiler police) Amy & Rory are back next year, it's already been announced. So the handwave only exists for the Christmas story, then The Doctor is back in plain view. (I retain the right to concede it's not true when Moffatt says hahaha that was a lie, I paid them to say that just to cover up what I was going to do.

But Amy and Rory know the Doctor lives already. They'll keep it a secret so that their reunion doesn't mean the Doctor will be back in plain view to the entire universe. Then surely they'll join him on his undercover adventures? Having the Doctor as soe mysterious stranger coming to a planet to solve some problems sounds like what the old-school fans would want.
Moff has said the next season will be a return to more self-contained episodes hasn't he? Albeit with an underlying arc.

that was quite a big favour the teselector did then - entirely sacrificing the ship and everyone in it for the doctor. or have i missed something.

also, who cares that rory,amy,river and romo lamkin see the doctor die - or are silents there to witness it too, so are they still keeping the secret from them.

oh i give up. the whole apocalyptic alternate time stream that stopped existing and was reset - feels like i've seen that before. Oh yes, it was this time last year

AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHY THE UNIVERSE EXPLODED

big favour is right -- and not the sort of thing you'd ask for with a cheeky grin, surely?

Remember the Doctor was inside the Tesselector and said he wasn't singed when they burned the body, so presumably the crew are fine too. The Doctor may even have given them a lift home in the Tardis.

ok, sacrificing the ship maybe isn't so over the top. actually i'd have liked to see that rescue happening

(nb, i didn't really think we'd learn why the universe exploded)