will stay in suburbs just so i don't have to be around people like max tbh
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
can you afford $13 a gallon for gas?
actually yes. but nowhere am i saying that suburbs as they are now are sustainable.
so have all car-based suburbs either convert to public trans-based ones or die; get rid of those zoning laws too, and?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
and what, that sounds good to me
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
and solar-powered lawnmowers
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
granny dainger what are the pros of having a lawn― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:37 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
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― Je55e, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
having a need for a solar powered lawnmower, obv
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
ok then!max are you not realizing that my 3 pt plan was tongue-in-cheek and meant to be funny or??
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
keeping max at a lawn-sized distance
xp
― horseshoe, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
wait does that mean the whole thing about your sister living in a suburban train station was also a joke
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
jokes are funny, I get jokes. so glad to know that you're actually against suburbs, granny, and that this whole thing was a wind-up!
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
its really hard to tell the difference between your "tongue-in-cheek" posts and your "real" posts on this thread b/c theyre all similarly defensive and point-missing
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
hey why don't you tell me why millions and millions of people like having lawns, it's just SO mystifying!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
god why would i be defensive against a raging smuck fuck like yourself?
thats what im trying to figure out!
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
who likes to "make people angry"?? mystifying!
so much sarcasm!!! cant really figure out whats going on!!!!????
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
what happened? I am confused.
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
I'm trying to follow it myself...I think max refuses to mow granny's lawn, but granny is rich and can afford $13/g gas
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
i am against car-dependent suburbs. i am also against urbanites who are callous towards people who don't want to live in urban areas and who would never have to make the sacrifice of living somewhere they don't want to because it just so happens they love cities.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
I find it a very compelling argument that because granny dainger can afford to pay $13 a gallon for gas, that the America government should continue its policies subsidizing and encouraging the development of suburbs, why, because granny dainger can afford to pay $13 a gallon for gas
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not rich. my commute is 5 miles, and i can take the train to go places. suburbs are crazy huh.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
dont worry, u will change ur tune at the re-education camps in the united states of new hampshire
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
granny all I'm trying to get you to say is "a. yeah this is probably unsustainable and b. american public policy should bet set in a manner that disincentivizes unsustainable lifestyles." I don't care if you like or don't like suburbs, or if you like or dislike lawns. the point is...that's not the point.
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
the America government should continue its policies subsidizing and encouraging the development of suburbs
let me hold your hand lil boy and walk you through this. wait ok here, lemme post this for the 3rd time and maybe it'll sink in:
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
i dont care what happens to granny as long as i can keep my castle and gardens
― Lamp, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is probably unsustainable and b. american public policy should bet set in a manner that disincentivizes unsustainable lifestyles.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
but max and dayo feel free to continue to think i'm against to continue their awesome zingathon
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
awesome, I'm glad that's settled. let's go play golf
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
ok i can ~walk~ across the street and meet you at the course
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
that's actually my lawn
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
stop holding iatees hand
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
everyone should be embarrassed by what is going on itt
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
j0rdan isn't allowed on my lawn
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think theres anything embarrassing about having the exact same argument with granny dainger for the fortieth time in the same thread
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
iatee can i get you to say there may--MAY--be a way to have mid-density areas that are sustainable?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
absolutely
ps my idea of mid-density is san francisco
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
well if i'm going to have to live in a city, it is going to have to have beautiful scenery and weed-delivery services
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
but if you want me to respond to whatever you're imagining, you'd have to give some measure and context. sustainable depends on overall consumption - dude living in the middle of the forest can live an emissions free lifestyle in a not-particularly-dense world. and it's not that people in hyper-dense manhattan live anywhere close to sustainable lifestyles atm (lol, rich people), but they'd have to give up less on the path to sustainability. so yes, people at any level of density can, in theory, pay off their externalities on the world. and if you're willing and able to pay 13/g for gas, well, that's a good start.
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
13/g gas would effect more than suburb dwellers, don't know if that's something you really wanna be shooting for
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
it's not a matter of 'shooting for' but rather determining what the cost actually is, how it is paid, and who pays for it
― mookieproof, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
the thing is, though, that 13/g gas is not something we can choose to want or not, it's pretty much inevitable if not within the next 10 years then certainly within the next 20. unless we start magically finding vast new sources of oil or maybe God can create a bunch of dinosaurs and kill them and convert their carcasses into hydrocarbons within the next 5 years
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
stop being so callous
― max, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
sorry I should have thought more about the fate of the dinosaurs
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
wait can god create the dinosaurs but let me kill them?
― k3vin k., Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
would be kinda epic
and that doesn't even start to consider the question of should we americans consume resources at a pace that far outpaces the rest of the developed world (except for tiny oil rich places in the middle east which use oil to flush their toilets with)
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
my whole life could be like the faerie queene
― k3vin k., Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PChttp://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE
like the only countries that consistently use as much power as or more than the US are middle eastern oil kingdoms and scandinavian countries (I guess cause it's cold all the damn time and they don't want to freeze to death)
damn scandos
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
and canada
― iatee, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
aussies too but they are forgiven because it is really fun to ride jeeps in the outback, in fact it's compulsory
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link