gypsy mothra did you ever lay out this theory of yours? I remember you mentioning it before in a thread about Dave Eggers ages ago.
― Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Saturday, 30 September 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 30 September 2006 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm a little surprised that the dude doesn't post here.
― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 14 June 2008 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link
is this guy like still a thing? i had him written off like neal pollack or something
― adam, Saturday, 14 June 2008 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
dud
― cryfok, Saturday, 14 June 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Chucky gives Chinese Democracy an A-
http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/chuck_klosterman_reviews
― oscar, Thursday, 20 November 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, weird. He's all beardo now but still wearing the conspicuous thick-rimmed indie specs of his "toasted teacake" period. What's the cultural significance of this?! Also, A-minus would have been the grade I'd have guessed Klosterman would have given Chinese Democracy, without having a) read a word he's written, or b) heard a note of the album in question. Does that mean a) I'm spooky clued-in, b) I'm a troll, or c) dud?
― staggerlee, Thursday, 20 November 2008 02:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Now I have read a word Klosterman has written. I read the piece linked to above. The Chinese Democracy one. And I liked it very much. (Despite my having hated nearly every note Guns & Roses has produced since Appetite For Destruction, or, briefly, embarrassingly, Gn'R Lies, it almost makes me want to hear the album. And I know how Klosterman feels about wanting to divine Axl's inscrutable motives; I have felt this about treasured artists' work on failed projects produced under intense scrutiny, and sadly I'm too drunk to remember what they were.) I'm sorry I was so foolish in my previous post and I repent. Classic?
― staggerlee, Thursday, 20 November 2008 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link
i think g n' r lies is pretty awesome mostly.
― any major some dude will tell you (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 20 November 2008 02:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't heard it (G'n'R Lies)since 6 months after it came out and I became a Politically-Correct Young Person Who Reviled Hair Metal And Racist And Sexist Opinions Except Those Held By Eldridge Cleaver and sold my cassette of it. Maybe it's still pretty awesome. Anyhow, I went back to that AV Club page and found it really really spooky how much Klosterman looks like late-period (sensitive, beardo, I AM AN ACK-TOR) Robin Williams in that photo, down to the slightly blossoming nose. Must close internet now and get more wine and erase memory of anonymous, penetrating stare.
― staggerlee, Thursday, 20 November 2008 02:54 (fifteen years ago) link
And I know how Klosterman feels about wanting to divine Axl's inscrutable motives; I have felt this about treasured artists' work on failed projects produced under intense scrutiny, and sadly I'm too drunk to remember what they were.)
I remember now. My subconscious was trying to give me a prod by providing the phrase about divining motives: REM. Their period of transition into superstardom post-Green I recall listening to them with more fascination for their self-awareness than their music, which was sometimes astonishingly good but increasingly often fell über-flat as they very transparently wrote for a larger and larger audience. W/E.
― staggerlee, Thursday, 20 November 2008 12:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Chinese Democracy is (pretty much) the last Old Media album we'll ever contemplate in this context—it's the last album that will be marketed as a collection of autonomous-but-connected songs, the last album that will be absorbed as a static manifestation of who the band supposedly is, and the last album that will matter more as a physical object than as an Internet sound file. This is the end of that.
"(pretty much)"
― m coleman, Thursday, 20 November 2008 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, that part that m. coleman quoted was definitely the part of the review (at least of the parts I actually skimmed so far) that bugged me the most -- "last Old Media album... last album that will be marketed as a collection of autonomous-but-connected songs..." Haven't people been saying that about albums for at least the last five years now? And then another one (or another hundred) come along that disprove the theory.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 20 November 2008 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link
(I like the review in general, though. Even though I really have no particular interest in hearing the new GnR album unless it falls into my lap.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 20 November 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Dear Chuck (Klosterman): don't worry, there will be another U2 album
― Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 November 2008 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Klosterman kind of looks like Paul Krugman with that beard.
― o. nate, Thursday, 20 November 2008 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Did his Beatles piss take get discussed on another thread? I kinda hate this piece.http://www.avclub.com/articles/chuck-klosterman-repeats-the-beatles,32560/
― sorry to put this kind of shit on your thread (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought it was intermittently funny and not too objectionable by Klosterman standards.
― o. nate, Friday, 25 September 2009 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
NO.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I don’t know if I’m helping or hurting anymore.
Take a guess.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Rating Rock: Klosterman versus Kant
Why stop there?
― Gorge, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link
deep dark secret confession: i discovered ilx by googling "chuck klosterman"
― fuckin' lame, bros (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
The immediate assumption is that this is some type of sonic endurance test, and that no person could possibly enjoy the experience of seeing the most hated (yet popular) rock band of 2001 followed by the most popular (yet hated) rock band of 2012. But this is what I wanted to do: I wanted to see Creed at New York's intimate Beacon Theatre (performing their 1997 album My Own Prison in its entirety), followed by Nickelback in front of 18,000 people at Madison Square Garden.
Srs question: Nickelback is the most popular rock band of 2012?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
They're still up there, but they peaked in 2006-2007.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
they're up there but Coldplay outsells them handily
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
but do coldplay really ROCK. [future klosterman thinkpiece]
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
is there a reason Klosterman picked 2001 for Creed instead of 1999 or 2000, when they were even more popular? and forgive my memory, was any rock group MORE popular than Creed then? Linkin Park's the only competitor that comes to mind.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
sigh, My Own Prison Creed seemed so innocent, just a bunch of monotheistic Pearl Jam fans with a dream
― da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
christ Chuck would it kill you to have an opinion on something once in a while? "Why do people hate Creed and Nickelback so much?" Is the answer really that complex that you need to write a zillion fucking words on it?
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
this guy sucks
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
it's kinda weird that he wrote this piece in 2012 and not only didn't acknowledge that nickelback + creed are probably no longer on the radar of most grantland readers (i assume?) but pretend like they're still these wildly popular, zeitgesty bands. i haven't even heard someone say that they've hated either of them in years. maybe i'm just out of touch.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
well he still writes mega pieces on van halen, so
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Hey Mordy, tell us what Grantland readers listen to
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
idk, i assume whatever bill simmons is digging?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/48235/what’d-we-miss-at-coachella’s-second-weekend ?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
Can't believe this fucking idiot thinks that a band that plays Madison Square Garden is still wildly popular
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/47814/the-top-10-songs-in-…-america
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
whiney i don't have the strength to argue w u about this. u are right about whatever it is u are saying.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
hahahaha
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
Klosterman really could have written "the experience of seeing the most popular (yet hated) rock band of 2001 followed by the most hated (yet popular) rock band of 2012" and been just as arguably correct. you know nathan rabin would have explained the distinction if HE made it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
I don't understand it either. It's like writing about how people hate Hootie & the Blowfish in 2000. As far as I know, the last viable year of feverish Nickelback hating was 2008. Even the haters are more like "well, they suck, but they know how to write a hit"
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
I think I 'hate' nickelback but I also have no idea what they sound like or what their hits were
― iatee, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure you've heard them before. Their hits are ubiquitious if not very distinctive. If it helps I've always found them more tolerable than Creed
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
As far as I know, the last viable year of feverish Nickelback hating was 2008
that's a long time to save receipts
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
never forget: http://idolator.com/366019/nickelbacks-chad-kroeger-gives-us-one-more-reason-to-be-jealous
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
so proud
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Always he reminds us of who he really is.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
shocked idolator still has all that shit archived
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
it really goes well with the new WE LOVE EVERYTHING CUZ WE'RE A CONTENT FARM logo
― suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link