Britpop : Time For Reevaluation?

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basically i don't think anything can be purely grassroots (for longer than five minutes), but that no corporate machine can ultimately foist on a whim a given musical style. i don't think people in music marketing are that good at it; otherwise they wouldn't sign so many acts which just disappear. britpop had *more* media muscle behind it, but in part that's because, probably imo, it had more sales potential than dnb. trip hop had huge sales potential and stuff like dido or gem still bares the traces of that.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

THATS NOT TRIP HOP ;(

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:34 (eighteen years ago) link

the point is that 40-year-old record buyers in dorking think it IS trip hop!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

it's got a trip hop element.

― N_RQ, Friday, 12 August 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

and whilst i wouldn't necessarily make an argument for corps making or breaking a particular artist i might suggest that seeding the media re a particular "style" or "new movemnet" might work...

xpost

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not sure Dido or Jem have ANY tangible trip-hop element.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

mid tempo quasi hip hop beats.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Britpop was still a damn good idea. Not for sociological reasons (what with all that "Cool Britania" bollocks anyway? What did it mean? Was there any point?), but for solely musical reasons.

Spice Girls & co may have knocked Britpop out of the mainstream, but the retained the pop melody. Which has never disappeared afterwards. Britpop put a definite end to the era when a "pop song" was supposed to be something made around a repetitive synth theme, adding a thumping bass drum, a gospel influenced female vocalist in the chorus (who was not allowed to appear in the video because they'd hire some model instead) and some rapper in the verse. That era has never returned.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Juror8/lolloway.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU'RE KILLING ME

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:54 (seventeen years ago) link

XPOST

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

BritPop sucked...and on reevalutation...it still sucks.

END OF THREAD.

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Juror8/lolloway.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Paul Edward Wagemann sucked...and on re-evaluation... he still sucks.

PLEASE PUT HIM OUT OF MY MISERY

― winter testing (winter testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit then, shit now.

Paul Edward Wagemann OTM.

People act like traditional pop wouldn't have existed anymore if this (bowel) movement hadn't come along, it's ridiculous.

Thank god for guerilla gigs or we'd all be listening to minimal house & crunk'n'b obviously...

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

we are all listening to minimal house. your point?

also, traditional pop - wossat then?

― winter testing (winter testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

-- stevem

I do too.

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - My point is that the best, most interesting acts (subjective obv.) from this era didn't even need Britpop yet their success is entirely attributed to it in retrospect.

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

No Libertines, No Lily Allen. or not as the case may be.

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Depends what Britpop is/was. I have some nostalgia for the era but then I was 16-19 and everyone's nostalgic for their late teens. Anyway, there were changes happening, whether you ascribe them to , which was about participation & possibilities. If Oasis/ Blair could write songs/ get a record deal/ be PM etc , than so could I and you and your mum. Libertines and Lily Allen wouldn't have broken through without that initial loosening of the degrees of separation between PerformerArtist & ConsumerPublic

― winter testing (winter testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'"

All-time greatest Scot contender Edwyn Collins did a song about it at the time:

"Its the same old story,
Englands glory,
Claming back the Union Jack my arse"

― everything (everything), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Britpop was the same old same old pop with added oddly white/reactionary "good OLD rock'n'roll" bollocks attached to it to me.

It never rang true from the start for me, and it felt like CLEARLY announced from the start too, unlike the natural progression of Madchester etc.

It also bugged me how it led to Northerners being thick monkeys and Southerners being clever cockneys all over again.

Of course it's totally fair to point out that the US "invasion" was waning, and yes the guitar element of the "summer of love" did seem to have fallen apart rather, as did the Hacienda dream.... still a moment of weakness hardly excuses a vicious ideological pounce & reinforcing of some *very* dubious 'values' I hardly feel any more refreshed by in the 00's than I did then.

Anyone sick of their Cigarettes and Alcohol yet?

I'm nostalgic for the early 90's too, but Britpop's "nostalgia" felt poisonous and manufactured from the word go.

Something does occur to me though... "Blinded By The Lights" vs. "Sorted for E's & Wizz"?

Maybe these thigns do come in waves but I'm wondering what exactly DID give the Britpop 2.0 movement such impetus? What was THAT reacting to? Destiny's Child?

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

too much whitespace sorry

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Swells assault and takedown of the Happy Mondays vs. the blind eye turned to The Zutons "Glastonbury? Kylie is for the gays!" etc etc

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry winter testing I feel like I hardly responded to the most interesting of your points there :( (depends how much you buy the Libs and L'Allen as grass roots movements tho!)

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.
we are all listening to minimal house.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link

not all of us.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Were Cast ,Bluetones & Shed 7 etc underrated?

I'm dying here.

― Leopold Boom! (noodle vague), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:47 (seventeen years ago) link

are winter testing and dance dance counter-revolution "friends of louis"?

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Now then now then, as it 'appens, is it time for like a critical reevaluation of the groovy MerseyBEAT 'cos it like seems to be a dirty word for the last 67 years owowowo God rest my S0-WEL Uncle Ted?

Was, like, the Merseybeat groovy guy geezer guy geezers really the sound of the young Britain what I was grooving away to in them days of dearie Lord dearie Lord? Were there any ace records from the hit paRADE of the time? Would you 'ave got like ten points if you recalled the Trem El Oes, Billy J Kramer and like what his DaKOtas and grooviest of all groovy guy geezer guy geezers, Swinging Blue Jeans The?

― Jimmy Saveloy (nostudium), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Nobody disses the Tremeloes on my watch.

― Leopold Boom! (noodle vague), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:01 (seventeen years ago) link

we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis
we are all friends of Louis

― winter testing (winter testing), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I think lil' Louis has shown admirable tenacity, or masochism, in sticking around considering the whipping he gets. I wouldn't have.

― trance pants devolution (fandango), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Cast, Bluetones & Shed 7 were probably underberated.

― trance pants devolution (fandango), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...

JARVIS: ''BRITPOP WAS RUBBISH''

http://www.playlouder.com/news/~jarvis-britpop-w/

― djmartian, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'

Scotland's in Britain

― Tom D., Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

BRITISH PUBLIC: "NEW JARVIS ALBUM IS RUBBISH"

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, so Jarvis and BDitto are recording their massively sucsessful duet then.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

... link please?

― Tom D., Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Jarvis Cocker "PLEAES PAY ATTENTION TO ME PLEASE PLEAS PLEAS WILL SUCK DICK FOR PRESS COVERAGE"

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

.... xpost

― Tom D., Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

How did Scottish people feel about Britpop?
18 WHEELER

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'

Scotland's in Britain
lol

― jim, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

PISCES: BRITPOP WAS NOT RUBBISH

http://images.quizilla.com/S/star-spangled-genocide/1036873452_youaremlir.gif

― pisces, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

do you think Madchester and the whole Tony Wilson 'wake up America, you're dead' fuelled excitement sweeping the UK in 1990 was actually a much more genuine and likeable statement of 'we're British and we're great' than the Britpop phase?
i do.

stevem (blueski) on Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:56 (4 years ago)

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full story ( by Steve Sutherland, from Melody Maker, 4th August 1990 ) here:

http://dewit.ca/archs/JD/New_York_Story.html

― pisces, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

The thread title will one day need updated to include Britpop II.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Trouble about Madchester was that, even though there was some good music, there was also a lot of crap around. Sure, The Stone Roses' debut will always remain a classic. And some great stuff from Charlatans too. On the other hand, Happy Mondays were very, very, very overrated.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a HELL of a lot of crap with Britpop. And the countries music scene still hasn't recovered because of it judging by the state of The NME and these bands in the charts.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Shed Seven and Northern Uproar did at least have proper tunes with proper verses and choruses. As opposed to Happy Mondays with their "let's just shout something over the backing track" approach.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

oh geirpaws

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

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