NEW AMERYKAH, POLL 1 (4th World War)

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I wouldn't hold my breath for that Feb 17th release, but here's hoping.... You can listen to her performing a snippet of the (reported) single "Jump in the Air... Stay There" here:

descendent of warlocks (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

huh i can't believe i didn't realise the reason part 2 never came out was b/c duhhh she got knocked up.

'honey' is positioned perfectly on the album, i adore it. "all i gotta do, is add a lil' lemon..."

lex pretend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

there should be an option for second-part-of-master-teacher. it deserves its own title.

schlump, Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

the Seiji remix of Honey is lovely.

danzig, Thursday, 25 December 2008 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I figured I'd like Erykah's version better, and I do. Thanks, Rev!

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huh? its basically the same thing

choom gangsta (deej), Thursday, 25 December 2008 21:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like the overdubs and the way it leads off the album--and the album it leads off. I'm not being that serious anyway.

Matos W.K., Friday, 26 December 2008 05:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Man, The Healer and Soldier are still my favourites, but the brilliance of Telephone, which had previously been kind of impenetrable, has finally unfurled itself. Front half of the album is more immediate, but the back half may be more rewarding in the long term. Time will tell.

the other Alex in MTL, in fact (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 26 December 2008 07:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

there should be an option for second-part-of-master-teacher. it deserves its own title.

I'm sure I voted for "The Cell," but part one of "Master Teacher" in standalone would've been a strong contender.

Eric H., Friday, 26 December 2008 07:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

I am blown away that Deej has never heard of a remix before! That is new information!

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 14:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

if i heard a remix that only added some pitch shifted talking over the top, i would be like "hey that's a pretty lame remix"

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 26 December 2008 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

and yet this track ends up being really really great, so go figure

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Judging "Amerykahn Promise" against the original, as opposed to for it's function in the context of this album is a willful fool's errand.

CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (The Reverend), Friday, 26 December 2008 21:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

i know what you guys are saying here, i mean i like lil wayne's version of "shooter" way more than the robin thicke original, and that uses the original track in its entirety. but in this case it's not really an improvement imo, and i like the original better.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 26 December 2008 21:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

And most of the rest of us on this thread disagree, and that is what makes this world a beautiful place.

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 21:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

you guys are weirdos. the song isnt better as a throwaway intro track

choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont even like the ramp album that much and im kinda in the 'overrated' camp (i actually prefer that 12" that was just reissued this/last? year to pretty much any of the songs on the album) but she just jacked the song wholesale and stuck it at the front of her album w/ talking over it. its not a 'remix'

choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

you know whats really great? that remix of the wildstyle theme at the beginning of illmatic ^__^

choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

i hate the fact i have to sit through georgia annes shite to get through to the (infinitely better) second part of master teachers each time.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 13:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Need to revisit the whole album--looking back it seems like I felt it was 2/3 fantastic, 1/3 filler, and just when it would get going perfect (like "The Healer,") it seems like it would meander greatly. . . and the RAMP cover would've been a stronger opening without all the talk over it. 'Mama's Gun' is certainly a top 5 or 10 album of the 2000s for me; seems like if there'd been no Part 1 and Part 2 for this, but just the strongest work from both, this album might have been top 10, too. As a loving tribute to J-D, though, it's beautiful even as is.

Soundslike, Monday, 5 January 2009 13:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

the ramp cover is not a cover, it is the ramp song.

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

ie without the talk over it, would've been another artist's cut from another album

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

also there is no filler on this album, to my ears, tho the mileage can and obviously does vary

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

also georgia anne ROCKS

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

i hate the fact i have to sit through georgia annes shite to get through to the (infinitely better) second part of master teachers each time.

I hate that I have to hit skip about 3-minutes into "Master Teacher." Oh well.

Eric H., Monday, 5 January 2009 15:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

first part of master teacher VERSUS even better sly stone groove second part of master teacher would be a better poll.

does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?

schlump, Monday, 5 January 2009 17:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

The second half of "Master Teacher" sounds a lot like an auto-accompaniment setting on this Casio I used to have. (NB: This is awesome.)

xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

didn't she record some of the album on garageband, appara?

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've heard that she wrote a lot of it on Garageband (like, as demos), but I don't know how much of that made it onto the album proper.

xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

quite a bit of it, id say. a lot of it has that slightly headphone masterpiece-y, getting these ideas down and not bothering to change them afterwards feel to it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

saying 'filler' feels very wrong. you can say songs you dont like or whatever but when a project is so self-aware + 'artiste'-ish "filler" just feels like the totally wrong word to indicate what you're trying to say here. "I need to fill up this album to be released from my record contract!"??? really?

choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah..."filler" is a pretty abstract concept in general, but when you're talking about an album that's the first in a series of 2 or 3 albums that the artist made in the same timeframe, it's an even more amorphous idea.

some dude, Monday, 5 January 2009 18:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?

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― schlump, Monday, January 5, 2009 9:05 AM Bookmark

I keep wondering this. As for the "filler" charges, the album is FAR FAR MORE than the sum of its parts. Each song greatly effects the context of the others and this goes for the weaker songs as well as for the stronger. Also, those you don't like part 1 of "Master Teacher" are utter raving lunatics.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

erykah's pitch-shifted voices don't add anywhere near as much as a ghostface rap

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes they do. It sets up the whole album, and is pretty damn funny to boot.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

I always skip the intro but I don't hate it; I just always want to start out on "The Healer".

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

(then usually I skip back to the beginning of "The Healer" and listen to it again)

^likes black girls (HI DERE), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

^this (rev). they still make me smile/loosen me up/get me ready for the record even now

k3vin k., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

"does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?"

i hate those too actually, although i prefer erykahs song more, just cos its still a great song. but soul and hip hop have diff rules. its not even the same thing actually - erykah isnt singing over the vocals of the ramp song like ghostface was, just the instrumental parts.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okay, now you've gone from RONG (opinion-wise) to RONG (factually). She does talk over the vocals from the RAMP song.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also, neither soul or hiphop have rules.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

first track is really my favourite because of the impact on first listen and yeah it's the most FUN(k) thing on this

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^^

Some people on this thread sound like:

I refuse to accept recontexualisation.

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Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like every last thing on this album. If I denigrate the second half of "Master Teacher," it's only to counteract the bizarre anti-first-half sentiment.

Eric H., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok i cant remember right now if she talks over the original vocals or not. either way, that song just felt a bit 'hammy' (despite being one of my fave songs on the album, flaws and all, just cos its so fierce and as said above, FUNKY). sort of like the neosoul equivalent of a tarantino film. its amazing live though. she should have done it with the band on the record. the reason i said rules is cos neo soul artists always pride themselves on continuing in the tradition of the greats, but i dont really equate singing over old funk/soul loops as being in that tradition. but then i remember erykahs been singing over loops since the first album, as have several other, so, hey, that little bug bear of mine doesnt really mean much.

the 1st half of master teacher is fine, i like the woozy loop, but the second half is divine.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes, the first half has a bizarre half-dreamy, half-clumsy lope that I love.

Eric H., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't think (m)any people here are saying that track 1 sucks, just that it being heavily sample-based makes it harder to call it a "song" rather than an "intro," or at least not one of the best songs or a favorite.

some dude, Monday, 5 January 2009 18:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

georgia anne still sucks though lol. i like the fact that theres someone singing so fucking weirdly, just not the actual singing.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

dudes it's not like i don't get sampling/recontextualization, come on. i just think it's a really lazy track and i wish she would have done more to make it her own.

xp

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

I have no problem with that. I more or less regard it as an intro myself, but DAMN WHAT AN INTRO. xxp

Georgia Anne rox u r all gay.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

The effort isn't the point, the point is that it does what it does, which is set the record off in tremendous fashion.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink


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