re-poll. how did the first track not get a vote?
'cause it's such a beatjack i'm guessing
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
who cares if it's a beatjack? the reason it didn't get any votes is because it fundementally functions as an intro
― The Reverend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link
the part i love about that song the most is the dude in the background. makes me smile every time. the little girl at the end, too
― "made smashable" (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that all those voices are Erykah's sped up or slowed down.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder about that myself; I haven't heard the original Ayers track and had kind of assumed some of the voices had come from it, but maybe not.
― Matos W.K., Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Part 2 is apparently due Feb. 17--day before my birthday! 8-D
― Matos W.K., Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link
The backup voices ("Promise promise"..."Give you my eyes", etc) are on the original track, the rest is Badu being "THE MAN" and "THE LITTLE GIRL".
― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Matos:
― The Reverend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I figured I'd like Erykah's version better, and I do. Thanks, Rev!
― Matos W.K., Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
thx for the info
― "made smashable" (k3vin k.), Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Part 2 is apparently due Feb. 17
This news just made my Christmas complete.
― Eric H., Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I wouldn't hold my breath for that Feb 17th release, but here's hoping.... You can listen to her performing a snippet of the (reported) single "Jump in the Air... Stay There" here:
― descendent of warlocks (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
huh i can't believe i didn't realise the reason part 2 never came out was b/c duhhh she got knocked up.
'honey' is positioned perfectly on the album, i adore it. "all i gotta do, is add a lil' lemon..."
― lex pretend, Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
there should be an option for second-part-of-master-teacher. it deserves its own title.
― schlump, Thursday, 25 December 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
the Seiji remix of Honey is lovely.
― danzig, Thursday, 25 December 2008 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link
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huh? its basically the same thing
― choom gangsta (deej), Thursday, 25 December 2008 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I like the overdubs and the way it leads off the album--and the album it leads off. I'm not being that serious anyway.
― Matos W.K., Friday, 26 December 2008 05:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Man, The Healer and Soldier are still my favourites, but the brilliance of Telephone, which had previously been kind of impenetrable, has finally unfurled itself. Front half of the album is more immediate, but the back half may be more rewarding in the long term. Time will tell.
― the other Alex in MTL, in fact (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 26 December 2008 07:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sure I voted for "The Cell," but part one of "Master Teacher" in standalone would've been a strong contender.
― Eric H., Friday, 26 December 2008 07:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I am blown away that Deej has never heard of a remix before! That is new information!
― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 14:41 (fifteen years ago) link
if i heard a remix that only added some pitch shifted talking over the top, i would be like "hey that's a pretty lame remix"
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 26 December 2008 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
and yet this track ends up being really really great, so go figure
― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 16:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Judging "Amerykahn Promise" against the original, as opposed to for it's function in the context of this album is a willful fool's errand.
― CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (The Reverend), Friday, 26 December 2008 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
i know what you guys are saying here, i mean i like lil wayne's version of "shooter" way more than the robin thicke original, and that uses the original track in its entirety. but in this case it's not really an improvement imo, and i like the original better.
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 26 December 2008 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
And most of the rest of us on this thread disagree, and that is what makes this world a beautiful place.
― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 26 December 2008 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link
you guys are weirdos. the song isnt better as a throwaway intro track
― choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i dont even like the ramp album that much and im kinda in the 'overrated' camp (i actually prefer that 12" that was just reissued this/last? year to pretty much any of the songs on the album) but she just jacked the song wholesale and stuck it at the front of her album w/ talking over it. its not a 'remix'
― choom gangsta (deej), Friday, 26 December 2008 23:54 (fifteen years ago) link
you know whats really great? that remix of the wildstyle theme at the beginning of illmatic ^__^
i hate the fact i have to sit through georgia annes shite to get through to the (infinitely better) second part of master teachers each time.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Need to revisit the whole album--looking back it seems like I felt it was 2/3 fantastic, 1/3 filler, and just when it would get going perfect (like "The Healer,") it seems like it would meander greatly. . . and the RAMP cover would've been a stronger opening without all the talk over it. 'Mama's Gun' is certainly a top 5 or 10 album of the 2000s for me; seems like if there'd been no Part 1 and Part 2 for this, but just the strongest work from both, this album might have been top 10, too. As a loving tribute to J-D, though, it's beautiful even as is.
― Soundslike, Monday, 5 January 2009 13:39 (fifteen years ago) link
the ramp cover is not a cover, it is the ramp song.
― doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
ie without the talk over it, would've been another artist's cut from another album
also there is no filler on this album, to my ears, tho the mileage can and obviously does vary
― doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link
also georgia anne ROCKS
I hate that I have to hit skip about 3-minutes into "Master Teacher." Oh well.
― Eric H., Monday, 5 January 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
first part of master teacher VERSUS even better sly stone groove second part of master teacher would be a better poll.
does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?
― schlump, Monday, 5 January 2009 17:05 (fifteen years ago) link
The second half of "Master Teacher" sounds a lot like an auto-accompaniment setting on this Casio I used to have. (NB: This is awesome.)
― xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
didn't she record some of the album on garageband, appara?
― doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I've heard that she wrote a lot of it on Garageband (like, as demos), but I don't know how much of that made it onto the album proper.
― xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
quite a bit of it, id say. a lot of it has that slightly headphone masterpiece-y, getting these ideas down and not bothering to change them afterwards feel to it.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
saying 'filler' feels very wrong. you can say songs you dont like or whatever but when a project is so self-aware + 'artiste'-ish "filler" just feels like the totally wrong word to indicate what you're trying to say here. "I need to fill up this album to be released from my record contract!"??? really?
― choom gangsta (deej), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah..."filler" is a pretty abstract concept in general, but when you're talking about an album that's the first in a series of 2 or 3 albums that the artist made in the same timeframe, it's an even more amorphous idea.
― some dude, Monday, 5 January 2009 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link
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I keep wondering this. As for the "filler" charges, the album is FAR FAR MORE than the sum of its parts. Each song greatly effects the context of the others and this goes for the weaker songs as well as for the stronger. Also, those you don't like part 1 of "Master Teacher" are utter raving lunatics.
― Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
erykah's pitch-shifted voices don't add anywhere near as much as a ghostface rap
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes they do. It sets up the whole album, and is pretty damn funny to boot.
― Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I always skip the intro but I don't hate it; I just always want to start out on "The Healer".
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
(then usually I skip back to the beginning of "The Healer" and listen to it again)
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
^this (rev). they still make me smile/loosen me up/get me ready for the record even now
― k3vin k., Monday, 5 January 2009 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
"does anyone hating the ramp track ever listen to those ghostface records where he pushes play and raps on top? how do you live with yourselves?"
i hate those too actually, although i prefer erykahs song more, just cos its still a great song. but soul and hip hop have diff rules. its not even the same thing actually - erykah isnt singing over the vocals of the ramp song like ghostface was, just the instrumental parts.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Okay, now you've gone from RONG (opinion-wise) to RONG (factually). She does talk over the vocals from the RAMP song.
― Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link