2008 Primaries Thread

the idea of hillary winning the nom is, like, crushing

Yeah. Might as well hand the White House over to the republicans for the next 8 years now.

The Dem primaries are harder to win than the general election. GOP's on the wrong side of every issue.

I think the idea that all we have to say is McCain = Bush, and suddenly everyone's gonna say 'oh, i did not know that' and they'll all turn out to vote against mccain is at least in part a fantasy.

You're right about that. But (a) tying the two can do some damage and (b) we can tie them together on some of this Administration's most unpopular policies, e.g., the endless occupation of Iraq.

Nicole??

What I was hearing on morning chat shows today was.. McCain's problem is the GOP base doesn't like him on: immigration, taxes, and given that immigration is the big issue GOP would try and demagogue to win the election.. and then if enough of the base doesn't turn out b/c of tax issue, probably values issues too, he's no evangelical.

Don't bet on this. I spoke to a prominent leader in Florida's evengelical community, and he said he would happily support McCain in a GE (and would campaign for him).

(Spoke with him yesterday)

GOP's on the wrong side of every issue.

and the Dems come mighty close!

(as do the voters)

gop, dems, voters - wrong
morbs, dennis perrin - right

it's a small club

I spoke to a prominent leader in Florida's evengelical community, and he said he would happily support McCain in a GE (and would campaign for him).

Of course he would. Evangelicals -- like Rupert Murdoch -- just want to run with the big dogs, whoever they are and whatever they believe.

Well, there had been discussion in some corners that if a non-evangelical (e.g., McCain) won the GOP nomination, evangelicals would either not vote or support a third-party candidate. Won't happen, tho.

I'm really annoyed because one of my closest friends sent me an email titled "Don't forget to vote today....for HILLARY!"

I think this is the first primary where I'm not voting. Even if I didn't think HRC was unelectable in a general election, the Michigan primary setup is very flawed, as detailed here:

http://jackshow.blogs.com/jack/2008/01/essay-primary-o.html

Of course he would. Evangelicals -- like Rupert Murdoch the guy in 'There Will Be Blood' -- just want to run with the big dogs, whoever they are and whatever they believe.

-- Tracer Hand, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

trumping up this fake immigration "issue" has been nauseating (I'm lookin at YOU Lou Dobbs)

"well last election it was the fags, this time let's use the beaners"

i dont think theres a question huge #s of evangelicals will be voting repub in the next election. the q is how big

Nader, in da club!

You won't hear a call for a national crackdown on the corporate crime, fraud, and abuse that have robbed trillions of dollars from workers, investors, pension holders, taxpayers and consumers... Candidates will not shout for a payback of ill-gotten gains, to rein in executive pay, or to demand corporate sunshine laws....

The candidates will not demand a reduction in the military budget that devours half the federal government's operating expenditures at a time when there is no Soviet Union or other major state enemy in the world. Studies by the General Accounting Office and internal Pentagon assessments support the judgment of many retired admirals and generals that a wasteful defense weakens our country and distorts priorities at home.

You won't hear a consistent clarion call for electoral reform. Both parties have shamelessly engaged in gerrymandering, a process that guarantees reelection of their candidates at the expense of frustrated voters. Nor will there be serious proposals that millions of law-abiding ex-felons be allowed to vote...

http://counterpunch.org/nader01152008.html

you say things that most people don't prioritize won't by prioritized by officials running for elected office? well i am shocked

he's right about jerrymandering! only he and hendrik hertzberg seem to care about that one

who did you poll, deej?

what opinion poll ever has ever had gerrymandering trump education, economics or health care?

im not saying that it SHOULDNT, but if thats yr issue then raise awareness about it w/in the electorate - then politicians are forced to talk about it. The idea that a candidate who wants to win should be spending his time talking about issues that half the country prob doesnt even understand (how many u.s. citizens actually know what gerrymandering means?) is ridiculous

http://thephoenix.com/OutsideTheFrame/content/binary/060425_Pol_MittRomney_ex.jpg

we ought to double Dr. Morbius

dammit

http://thephoenix.com/OutsideTheFrame/content/binary/060425_Pol_MittRomney_ex.jpg

talk about lowered expecs -- you think Bushgore 2000 spread awareness of the need for electoral reform, deej?

And what about leaders LEADING instead of regurgitating the popular priorities of their constituents? I believe that's touched on in both Profiles in Courage and the Broadway musical 1776...

(Nader deals w/ economics and health care in the C'punch piece.)

I believe that's touched on in both Profiles in Courage and the Broadway musical 1776...

our nation's founding documents

I'm surprised Morbs cites a ghostwritten text.

it was a bestseller, who cares who dun wrote it? (like Raymond Carver's stories)

GORDON LISH FOR PRESIDNET

i think what morbs is saying is that america needs a real leader, someone we can all rally behind, a "strong man" if you will...

http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20061228/475_ap_saddam_061228.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_02/PutinWildAP_468x300.jpg

i'm sure morbs prefers zombie presidents, right?

but the Zombies were britishes

http://media.npr.org/politics/politicaljunkie/2007/jan/mcgovern140.jpg

The Nevada Supreme Court will decide if tonight’s Democratic debate can proceed without Dennis Kucinich.

I'm surprised MSNBC hasn't booted Edwards...

apparently, there's been some very low turnout at the Michigan polls today, and apparently some McCain folks are already trying to downplay its significance. Mittmentum?

MITTMENTUM!

http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AFP_Photo/2007/06/26/1182876664_7568.jpg

marshall has been bringing the mitt roflz all week

Hillary: "John, who is, as we know, the son of a mill worker..."

WOFFLES

Putin pic = hilarious deleted scene from Zoolander

at least she didn't say "meal"

What the hell is going on? Are Obama and Edwards not on the ballot?

not in michigan, no

Ahh, I assume this has to do with the state's early-primary hijinx?

Mitt!

So, is it fair to say, at this point, that on the GOP side either there's no frontrunner or it's Romney? Every big contest has been won by a different candidate, and Romney has won 2.

If Huckabee wins S.C. and Fla., where does the GOP race stand? I can't see Huckabee winning it, but maybe. Maybe . . . a brokered convention?

"well last election it was the fags, this time let's use the beaners"
-- Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:47 PM (Yesterday)

Why they'd mess with a winning formula now is beyond me.

I guess plenty of Dem voters were urged to vote for Mitt just to keep him in the raise longer. Actually, I would have done the same thing. Why not throw support behind the guy who can never ever be elected yet will be in there long enough to draw fire from the other two GOP types?

Michigan's open GOP primary is kind of like that; it allowed me and several other thousand registered Democrats to vote for McCain in 2000, helping him to win that state.

these minor-candidate-free debates are great