ILPhoto Gallery (a thread to show off your pictures)

I think I reasonably understand what it means to push or pull film now but it'd take me some time to type it out

they were probably asking you what speed you shot the roll at for development purposes, not for printing purposes?

oh yep, i was just getting prints
not gonna make you explain pushing!, i'm good w/it at the moment, sorta as an extension of no-such-thing-as-correct; i'm not really dispirited by things coming out different, & would only be concerned if it was going to literally bleach or denigrate the shots. it's never been that dramatic, just plays with contrast. actually have some nice photos from a roll i shot (similar kind of thing, some weird iirc agfa 100 film, shot on 800-ish), taken in glorious sunlight, that i should scan. slightly weird colour ranges or something.

uh, just getting negatives.

yeah, my photo math is sort of limited to the relationship between f-stop, shutterspeed, and film speed, and even then i'm kinda flying by the seat of my pants---i shoot my gf1 on aperture priority like 95% of the time because i'd rather control depth of field, and my subjects are rarely moving so fast that shutterspeed is even an issue.

a big part of wanting to shoot film is to better understand all that stuff

yeah I didn't really understand that stuff too much before shooting film w/ a manual camera, and even then it took the better part of a year, where each week I was probably developing a scanning 3-10 rolls

now that I've somewhat got a handle on that, I'm making my life even more complicated by trying to learn how to print in a darkroom, fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun

I certainly didn't have a sense of "no such thing as correct exposure" until doing home scanning. I had lab scans that would blow out whites and hike up the contrast, and I was always left trying to figure out just how I might have over or under exposed on any particular shot, when a different scan might have actually looked just fine. It's nice to know that you can mostly guess, and err on the side of overexposure when unsure.

I tend to rate most film at a stop or two slower than the listed speed to begin with.

have we talked about the Zone system on here before

the zone system is for weenies

haha really? i only know from what i've read on wiki, but i'm a big fan of heuristics (just learned about the sunny16 rule, etc), so any sort of simple framework is always nice

it's not a simple framework

imo it's for photographic aspies, people who enjoy the process of taking a picture much more than the picture itself

huh. i basically took this away from it:

-find the darkest area that you'd still like to be detailed
-meter it
-take that reading and go down two stops

-if yr shooting color, do the same except meter the brightest area you want detailed and open up two stops

that sounds right except I think you switched the 'go down' and the 'open up'

that's not the zone system though

heuristics I follow: the first one you mentioned, 'f/8 and be there'

also I think if you're metering for highlights you go down 4 four stops... can't remember. this is all for negative film btw

nah, i think i had it right: meter the darkest area that you want detail ~preserved~ in, not want you want to be the "neutral" or Zone V area. so if you go down two stops it'll be darker there than the meter wanted, but it'll still be ok detail-wise

wiki:

Visualize the darkest area of the subject in which detail is required, and place it on Zone III. The exposure for Zone III is important, because if the exposure is insufficient, the image may not have satisfactory shadow detail. If the shadow detail is not recorded at the time of exposure, nothing can be done to add it later.
Carefully meter the area visualized as Zone III and note the meter’s recommended exposure (the meter gives a Zone V exposure).
Adjust the recommended exposure so that the area is placed on Zone III rather than Zone V. To do this, use an exposure two stops less than the meter’s recommendation.

ok yeah my mistake! I think yer right. and close down 2-4 stops from a highlight reading

I think zone system is for weenies because zone system users go to a scene (usually an immobile one like a landscape) and spend a lot of time ~analyzing~ the light there using a spot meter, making decisions about where to place certain elements in which 'zone', etc.

if the one thing you take away from zone system is 'open up two stops from where you metered the shadow details" then 1.) you're all set and 2.) that's not the zone system anymore

wait now I'm confused again

meter brightest thing, then ~open~ the aperture two stops so that the neutral stuff isn't too dark

meter the darkest thing, then ~narrow~ the aperture so that the neutral stuff isn't blown out

we should prob have a separate thread for metering huh

no wait you're right, I just get confused when I talk about this stuff on the internet

I think stuff is most useful with spot meters tho

I just messed around with my gf1 and the "standard" meter (which is basically a spot + ambient) gave similar results as spot metering and then stopping up or down

The Zone System is so complicated Adams had to break it up into five books, IIRC. It goes far beyond basic exposure rules into pre-visualization, exposure, developing, printing, dodging/burning/etc..

his most popular work (moonrise over a desert in NM, I think) is kind of funny, because it was a quick shot that has to be extensively dodged and burned when printed

i have an app on my ipod but i use it abt 50% of the time and the rest of the time i guess but it really helped me figure out what will look like what. like i actually take a photo that looks like somthing on every frame now which is a long way away from how i started.

playing with my new X100, my housemate is unenthused

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6156/6134233911_73bb18fb31_b.jpg
Roomie by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

Just had a mess with Silver Efex Pro in lightroom, seems ok, will have to spend some time with it.
1st shot using Silver Efex pro...
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6158/6136067390_02e3b85e50.jpg
Media City by carljgodwin, on Flickr

I guess Flickr changed my image URL afterward...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6156/6134233911_7df171c3ac_b.jpg
Roomie by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

milo that's a beautiful shot

Didn't have my wide angle while out today. Managed to get some good results with the nifty fifty.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6168/6150592034_8bfa6c9074.jpg
Dovestone Reservoir by carljgodwin, on Flickr

Looks better here,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/carljgodwin/6150592034/lightbox/

Very nice! I love the deep shadow and the detail within.

Thank you.
More reflection stuff
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6155370202_3fc8b6325b_z.jpg
Untitled by carljgodwin, on Flickr

Added a little saturation, otherwise straight out of camera.

Tremendous.

Just some guy. But he has a great nose.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6207/6161237564_861267db9c_z.jpg

Drama.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6164841351_d089fa6fd9_z.jpg

http://ihardlyknowher.com/ev4nsk0w/big

i guess this is where i'll be putting my "better" pictures---my other flickr is too crowded/disorganized

some new stuff, mostly old stuff, reworked

obv there is google proofing in there

aw man these are great, gbx; the colours really pop in the colour stuff (cf blue guitar), & the b/ws are awesome.

i took a few pictures of a cravat wearing dog a couple of days ago, maybe i can contrast him against the lil guy outside the store you shot once printed.

i think we saw one of the b&w shots in colour on here, a while back; are the others all shot in b/w or are there any changes? just curious.

thx man! i love alfred and the blue guitar. i explained this elsewhere on ilx, but the best part of that pic, for me, is knowing that he doesn't actually play. he just asked to pose with it when i asked to take his picture.

xp actually, all of those are digital---i just liked the way they looked in B&W a little better. virtually all of them have been posted here, i think? :-/ nagl, i know

i mean, i ~tweaked~ them, redid the cropping (not so many squares, dayo)

but the best part of that pic, for me, is knowing that he doesn't actually play. he just asked to pose with it when i asked to take his picture.

ha, that's great. feel like we are getting slightly into the territory of that errol morris book, here.

actually, all of those are digital---i just liked the way they looked in B&W a little better. virtually all of them have been posted here, i think? :-/ nagl, i know

ha that's crazy, they're all great & go well together; i don't think ilx syndication is too damning. i followed the flickr links to check out the cameras involved & was surprised they were all digital - there's something super appealing about the contrast & darkness of some of the shots & i think i'd assumed they were film.

i feel weirder & weirder reading some of the photo threads here because i think i'm pretty bad on a technical level & am probably stubbornly butting my head against analogue, because ~at its apex~ it is superior, to me, when realistically i could probably be doing better in some senses with digital or whatever. i took this photo of some friends a couple of weeks ago (& a bunch that are similar), w/old expired 1600 film, & i like it fine, can handle the visible deficiencies of it not being especially 'clear', but feel pulled up short when i see the radiance/clarity of either great!, well-taken!, digital stuff, like yours - the guy in the shirt with the road in the background -- or of properly exposed film stuff elsewhere.

redid the cropping (not so many squares, dayo)

lol. all of this is really throwing me off your trail, dimensions are the easiest clue to unscramble, for me.

aw thanks man

i was basically cheating on a lot of those ugandan shots, tho, bear in mind---shooting a 28mm summicron on an m8 did a lot of the heavy lifting. aside from framing and being in the right place, the only "decision" i made was to selectively meter the highlights sometimes (w/o adjusting, tho, cuz i didn't know what i was doing). that's why shots like that one from the bus came out like they did, i think.

also i've realized (and had explained by dayo) that getting properly exposed stuff outside is waaay easier than inside, i think?

yeah, for sure. taking photos indoors i am mainly concerned with getting something to show up, tbh, for posterity. having lots of light to play with, outside, is just a joy, & makes it easier to bring a sense of decision-making to the process, on account of like having the actual horizon as a factor in your depth-of-field decisions.

i am on ebay looking at leicas btw, this is never going to happen.

haha, yeah, i realized when going through a lot of these last night that square-cropping really was a thing i was leaning on, and for no good reason? nice for portraits, i think, but looking over some older ugandan photos i saw that i was cropping out stuff that i thought was "extraneous" but was actually kind of interesting as ephemera. (cf the cam in that portrait of my friend jonah, in the wig---friend of mine told me to crop that out and i think it makes the picture way more interesting)

anyway blah show me some of yr stuff dudes. dayo why are yr flickrs just pics of cameras i want to own???

xp lololol i have spent approx 45min/day of the last WEEK looking at M3s and M4s on ebay

have 'issues' so not posting urls, but click my name for a link (warning link will expire after 24 tense hours).

re: leicas, really i think the worst thing that could happen would be me ever getting one, i prefer having the crutch of imagining some vast leap in quality were i to obtain a great camera.

thx for the link man, i will keep yr secrets (i was p hesitant to my govt named link up there, but i figure a lot of ppl on ilx know who i am by now anyway, and ILP is a ~backwater~)

it's cool as long as we all have enough on each other to make sure no-one squeals. now keep it quiet about what my dad looks like.