People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

the vast fields of red in LA are important! might not be sprawl, but they do make walking from the valley to santa monica pretty much out of the question.

but notice they didn't do the same thing for all of the water that surrounds Manhattan and San Francisco

santa barbara

it counts, technically

― iatee, Thursday, September 8, 2011 5:10 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ps I'm not rich I swear

― iatee, Thursday, September 8, 2011 5:10 AM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark

I lol'd

iatee this is where you admit that you actually live in missoula btw just to blow our minds

max I'm just explaining feelings & motivations not setting policy

by now I would expect that all my friends from the political threads know that I am probably not the best guy to talk about what would make for good policy

but notice they didn't do the same thing for all of the water that surrounds Manhattan and San Francisco

well it has the same effect! if you live in astoria queens, you are extremely close to manhattan and if there were a magic pedestrian-only bridge, you could be there in 5 minutes. instead you can take an hour walk or take the subway.

"feels good" and "i want it" are not reasons for the government to make certain things easy for people to have or do

― max, Thursday, September 8, 2011 4:10 AM (50 seconds ago)

every time i read a statement this reductive my mind reads it in ron pauls voice nowadays fyi

well it has the same effect! if you live in astoria queens, you are extremely close to manhattan and if there were a magic pedestrian-only bridge, you could be there in 5 minutes. instead you can take an hour walk or take the subway.

but how does that factor into the overall score? you keep talking about those color maps. the LA one has all of this red representing the mountains, which is presumably factored into the score, while NY is all green, totally ignoring the water. I call bullshit on that site.

iatee's first time driving

http://www.capitalcomics.com/covers/2183.jpg

two seven letter names - first name three letters, last name four - both popular with self-sustaining internet communities - max is there something you want to tell the group

lol. santa barbara has the most beautiful gas stations

I'm technically from the unincorporated area between goleta and santa barbara

locals call it 'noleta' cause we refuse to be incorporated w/ goleta

I mean, that place seems really gross in a lot of ways, but I also wish that every city had a planning commission or whatever that was a iron fisted and design conscious as Santa Barbara.

also goleta sounds gross

we had areas like that near where i grew up. they have pretty much all been absorbed into "San Jose"

where was that?

downtown santa barbara is a 98 on walkscore fwiw

maybe so, but good luck finding a gas station if you're driving by on the 101

but if you do, they have beautiful spanish tile on the roof

wk - i grew up in G1lroy.

Coyote = gone

the road that used to just go to the dump now has tract homes and a golf course

goleta *is* gross, there's a small downtown area that was once its own little town, now the street's basically a non-place and the rest of goleta is big box stores. that's why the border-suburbs don't even want to be associated w/ it. that and the name, probably.

nice! I was in almaden. not too far away
xp

so would gilroy be an exurb? kind of a suburb but more rural?

goleta used to get covered in maximum rock & roll, can't remember which seminal early 90s HxCx band was from there

G1lroy was a small town when i grew up; it might as well be a suburb now.

gilroy's a small town that became a de-factor exurb

sup bros

Can't believe I'm going to pop in just for this useless information, but I think there are still a whole lot of unincorporated sections around San Jose! Like areas around and along Bascom and elsewhere.
And the US Census must have a weird way of determining "urban areas" cuz San Jose definitely isn't dense!
From Willow Glen, btw.

otoh, i probably would've been stoked as a teenager if there'd been a Guitar Center cross town.

Baby, don't ya go, don't ya go to Goleta
I've been there and I've seen them drinkin' now
Thinkin' all the time that they're going to school
Well, maybe some day they might learn something
But being fascist rich kids just ain't cool

408 representing itt

aerosmith played in santa barbara a couple months ago and somebody showed up to the show as soon as we were done and was mad she missed it, busted into the "dressing room" (a closet in which there was, hand to God, a live mouse eating the rider food), demanded that we play some more, and when somebody from our opening band coaxed her away screamed at me as she was led off that I/we had "ruined [her] fucking life"

also when I was a kid we used to stay at the Miramar there, family vacation type deal before the family imploded

that's what I know about santa barbara

it has nice architecture, also

lol. willow glen. ANNEXED

I used to go to a comic shop there

I think there was a recent annexation attempt with Campbell too maybe? Pretty much how San Jose was built.

And the US Census must have a weird way of determining "urban areas" cuz San Jose definitely isn't dense!

yeah, on this, ultimately the line you draw is going to be arbitrary and the further out you go, the less dense the metro area is gonna be. so if you include far out rural connecticut in nyc, nyc is less dense. if you don't, it's more dense.

a better way to look at density is weighted density - basically it's the sum of the (density of neighborhood x) (pop of neighborhood x / metro area pop). you don't have to worry about the arbitrary metro area lines so much this way.

http://www.austincontrarian.com/austincontrarian/2008/03/weighted-densit.html

I get Campbell and Willow Glen confused, but they both have comic shops.

a better way to look at density is weighted density - basically it's the sum of the (density of neighborhood x) (pop of neighborhood x / metro area pop). you don't have to worry about the arbitrary metro area lines so much this way.

but that chart is still kind of crazy. so much of it is undeniably suburban.

it took 2 hrs by bus to get to Streetlight Records from my childhood home

san jose still #6 on that count, which maybe says more about america than about san jose. san jose's kinda like LA though, in that it's a huge sprawl of burbs and towns but they're much more compact than comparable metro areas, even if the area doesn't have the benefits that come w/ real density.

theres a great board game shop in santa barbara

yes

I spent my childhood there

also i saw a magician performing tricks in the street the one time i was there

(4th of july 2006)

that was me, if by magician you mean someone playing magic cards at the gameshop

mostly i remember trying to find a spot to smoke weed and failing

take california

nah the only guy who was at the gameshop was the czech (? something slavic ?) guy who owned (? worked at ?) it

was it just off state street?