Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

not evil, just misunderstood

except Hitler

I'm sort of torn between thinking Amy/Rory ought to be rather more fucked up by having "lost" their baby, and yet not really wanting to see all that angst played out on screen

That's been bothering me too, especially right at the end when they're back in the tardis and Amy's all "where can we go next?" HELLO SPANNER, you just had a CHILD ffs

Also Rory seemed singularly undaunted by his wife turning into a freak-faced zombie doll.

this ep was shot before they lost their baby though, so you have to let it go in this instance

Rory knows that you can get better from being made into a life-sized doll so

yeh, but it's

a) maybe been a while between episodes? other adventures occurring & so forth

b) amy only just found out she was pregnant, then had a baby, then lost it then found it again and realized it was her best friend she grew up with to, ehh, not totally traumatic as much as headfuckery

this ep was shot before they lost their baby though

Wait, what? She knows she gave birth to River at this point, right?

this was originally ep 3, and swapped places with the pirate ship

Oh okay. But even a tiny bit of babby concern/remorse would have been enough.

but since the actors didn't know she was pregnant at the time, would have been a bit problematic to evince sorrow at loss of babby

Post? It went to air several months after time babby, it's not like they couldn't have added a sound bite or re-shot a part of a scene.

this was originally ep 3, and swapped places with the pirate ship

Nope. Pirates showed up in A GOOD MAN GOES TO WAR.

Good Man was made at the same time as pirate ep, hence cast available

reshooting on Night Terrors would have required rebuilding sets or restaging a location, pirate ep only needed to insert a snippet of Eyepatch Lady opening a hole in a wall.

this one was actually shot before the opening two-parter btw

eesh, tv and movie making is our earthly version of timey-whimey

I liked this ep well enough, but I got distracted by how much I *hated* the doll songs...ugh god so distractingly irritating...and by them making that poor little kid affect tics like blinking etc, because he really was a cute little fella and was so lovely towards the end of the episode I kind of wished they'd let him just act scared without all the guff. Also maybe it was just me but it felt like something extra should have been made of the doll's house, because even when the Doctor said 'oh we're inside the doll's house' I was like WTF doll's house...ohhhhh THAT dolls house that we saw for a nanosecond in the cupboard.

yes the dollsongs were the actual laziest bit of "inherited" spookiness: whose giggle was that meant to be? the idea comes from kipling's "they" (or maybe "lost hearts" or "the turn of the screw" or something) and makes no sense in this story

(and if george's parents are letting him read or watch "lost hearts" then NO WONDER he's frightened!)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/se7en45/james_lost_hearts1_lead.jpg

oh yeah the giggling was way OTT.

Well that sucked.

^^^ Posted before I watched it, seemed a fitting tradition for this thread...

Even though the episode started off technically bewildering -- which stream is the one where people with the Plague are quarantined? -- but the emotional payoff is keen (if predictable).

Also, Rory kills a robot with the Mona Lisa.

notes they've played before, but largely done pretty well i thought. Gillan was great.

I didn't like this much at all. I didn't get why alterna-Pond was even a possiblity. Like, no, this can't happen. Anyway that's real Pond, off we go. Even the sentimental stuff didn't get to me. WHY ARE U CRYING. Also the old makeup was really distracting, I hated the handbots and it was just gimmicky to me.

Hi I hate fun. Mr Veg loved it, so I'm feeling very on the outs.

I thought there was a plot idea which could have been pretty interesting to read in a 20-page short story but was pretty dull to watch over the course of 40 minutes of Amy and Rory randomly lurching between soppiness and "no i do not love you, you are not the SAME" and oh back to the soppiness and bleah.

I would've liked the Mona Lisa bit had it not ripped like the thinnest bit of tissue paper you've ever seen and thus had absolutely no robot-killing potential, except it fell over anyway.

Bah.

http://www.monalisamania.com/faq.htm

What is it painted on?
Oil on a poplar wood panel.

surely given the location it's a print not the original! "famous works of art you can only view if yr about to be euthenased"

the garden was an exact replica so why skimp on the mona lisa?

City Of Death establishes there's 12 of them.

haha just remembered a very spiky argt i once got into on-line re the words replica, simulation, simulacrum and so on: viz, do you mean it's actually literally identical in all possible ways, or do you mean it's a copy which is different in certain important ways?

i took "exact replica of garden" to mean same number and types of plant in same arrangement and topiarised to look the same; ie a copy of the garden, like a print is a copy of the mona lisa!

anyway, what renders the handbots defunct is SQUARES, which is why they can't see through mesh and have to teleport into rooms instead of going through the doors

xp haha yes, good point

I can no longer tell if tetragonophobia (your search did not match any documents) is a plausible plot device or a brilliant mark s lie, but it will do either way

quadratisch, praktisch, gut

At the beginning, you could spot a few plot holes from space but by the end it didn't matter. B+

I do wonder: which stream is which? Was Amy in the quarantine stream, or were Rory/Doctor in the quarantine?

Gillan was great.

Yeah, didn't expect as good of an understated performance as she gave.

One thing I found jarring was how at the end, old Amy is all, "Don't let me into the TARDIS because I will kick and scream and fight to LIIIIIIVE," but then after Rory makes his decision, and the Handbots arrive, she submits to them so serenely.

i spent an inordinate amount of time trying to work out how the amy-and-rory-get-together story of this episode was supposed to mesh with the one in 'let's kill hitler'.

favourite thing: old Amy not making eye contact after 36 years of not seeing a face

Great episode IMO.

This was fantastic and lol at the ppl being grumpy about it

It reminded me of some of the weirder B&W stories, eg The Edge of Destruction and The Mind Robber. Top-notch effects and production design.

Yeah, great fun, looked lovely, couple of overlong old/young or Rory/Amy dialogues but doctor-being-a-twat episodes are always good and don't happen enough.

(maybe helped that I watched it right after the torchwood finale though).

Thought this was really good!

Amy and Rory randomly lurching between soppiness and "no i do not love you, you are not the SAME"

But they didn't, did they? It was obvious he did love her, was just shocked by her being older/angrier and by his own failure to rescue her in time?

They're really pushing the Doctor fucking up people's lives thing, aren't they? As much as I'd like to see Amy and Rory back next series, I wonder if they will be given how thoroughly travelling with the Doctor is ruining their lives.

Wikipedia thinks they will appear in S7.

Longest-lasting nuWho companions, then!

Doctor Who, you are my favorite comic book.

yeah i really started to wonder as i watched this episode about when amy and rory are just going to jump ship on the doctor

i liked it mostly because i like things about places/planets that are seemingly devoid of people. spooky in itself.
i'm finding this seasons, and these last few episodes - and the preview for the next one - to be much scarier than previous seasons, i mean, if i were a kid i would have nightmares. but i am an adult. so i won't have nightmares. that's how it works, right?

This ep seemed to be all about how The Doctor can be an incidental tool to his companions, which of course was awesome

Yeah, I like it when they do that--ultimately he's an alien and just doesn't GET IT sometimes, and it's nice when they play that up

It was obvious he did love her, was just shocked by her being older/angrier

I just thought Rory seemed not particularly bothered by old-Amy until she'd met young-Amy and changed her mind; even before the Doctor had confirmed they could still rescue young-Amy, Rory seemed a bit "get off me you mad old bat, where is my nubile young girlfriend", until suddenly he wasn't any more

but, fat old ginger woman grumpily reads unintended subtext into plot about ginger woman becoming fat and old and grumpy, film at 11

Still wondering why they don't give a shit about their kidnapped baby.

Maybe they've made a boibee
http://www-movieline-com.vimg.net/images/lost_squirrel_225a.jpg

hahaha