i guess abyss isn't juvenile, but it's just straight-up mean instead of entering into tiresome justifications for meanness. also it sounds amazing.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel like my love for dream's disgusting persona is this very delicate balance and 1977 just seems like he ripped off the sleazeball mask to reveal a really sincere sleazeball and it's like ugh put your clothes back on.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
what do the LvMs bring sonically though - hey, terius knows how to trigger a gunshot sound?
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
personally i like the LVMs because i think they stand out sonically on an album that has such rich & idiosyncratic production everywhere else
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i am less attentive to this kind of thing. lol english majors.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
the entire thing is pretty painful to listen to
the suites had the best songwriting -- 'yamaha' -> 'nikki pt 2' - > 'abyss', 'fancy' - > 'right side of my brain' - > 'mr. yeah'― D-40, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:39 PM (4 minutes ago)
― D-40, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:39 PM (4 minutes ago)
i basically disagree with everything in this post, starting with what the suites even comprised - suites were pt1/pt2/fancy/right side on LVM (and i do love the latter two; tellingly they're a lot different than the former two in terms of structure, atmosphere, etc) and i guess yamaha/nikki pt2/abyss on the last one and obviously 'yamaha' doesn't need the other two to exist at all. i disagree that "nikki pt 2" is among his best songwriting jobs - weak, repetitive non-hook...and like i said imo "abyss" is just ugly to listen to but i think pretty obviously has some of his absolute worst lyrics
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
that first part was xp to horseshoe re: abyss
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
on the off chance nobody has made the "wake me when it's over" zing on 1977 yet, well, wake me when its over
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
the abyss has a nice outro but the part leading up to it is a huge slog
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:44 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
abyss has an amazing hook -- you guys are crazy
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
like i said imo "abyss" is just ugly to listen to but i think pretty obviously has some of his absolute worst lyrics
u crazy, chorus of abyss is amazing
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
imo the suites are
love vs money -> love vs money 2 -> fancy -> right side of my brain
yamaha -> nikki pt 2 -> abyss
i... can't remember reading many people speaking out against these songs but maybe i've forgotten idk
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:46 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
both suites are central to enjoyment of either album imo
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:46 PM (6 minutes ago)
lol well pretend forgetfulness, etc, but i remember you saying the same thing and i said "only if you're a music critic" - the other songs bang harder end of story
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
only thing i disagree w/ re: horseshoe is that the production/songwriting on 'fancy' is so amazing that i'm willing to build up a 'hes playing a character' fantasy abt it
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
that might not be a disagreement idk
there is literally nothing wrong with fancy/right side of my brain & fuiud!
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
fancy is the one where i just find dream's fantasy about this materialistic woman kind of dumb, but i might be being unfair. if it were written by a chick about herself i might like it more. also, though, it would probably be better.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i haven't listened to it in ages so i will now
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't really listen to the-dream for the lyrics
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
the production on that is so epic xp
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
except for 'florida university' why because f. u.
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:52 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
idk i've always taken these almost like the-dream & tricky's take on industrial music
i mean it's sort of an obvious trick -- cold & punishing beats frame a song where a dude's life has become sad -- but i think it works
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
"fancy" is just o_O in every way
'fancy' is this 6 minute concentration of energies that never really finds a release, it's awesome
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:01 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah...i am dumb about talking about the music part of music so i talk about lyrics but i don't mean just lyrics, i just don't have the language to talk about the sound part. but i really love some of his lyrics.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:02 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark
i don't agree w/ that at all!!
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
yah fancy is more swirling wide screen cinematic grandeur
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
the thing i basically love about his sound is the "everything is happening inside a bouncy castle" feel. sometimes the lyrics are so dumb they take me out of the song, and i'm afraid "fancy" is one of those.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha well I almost never listen to the lyrics unless they jump out at me. I'm also an eng/lit major type fwiw.
I would totally write a freud style sublimation of energies essay about fancy if I was still into masturbating into music publications
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait yeah what would u call the last 30 seconds of not a "release"
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think that part of me is also forgiving about it because i am broke & fantasize pretty readily / can understand why ppl fantasize about how much money would change their lives when working a shitty job, and i guess at some level i wish a the-dream would swoop in & hook me up w/ private jet rides
but not terius specifically
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
this song is soooooooooooooo long you guys
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
'right side of my brain' is the release
― prolego, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know, it's weird, i like a lot of songs about materialism, but i just don't vibe with the particular fantasy in fancy
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
the last 30 secs get so close to being an eruption but it never quite gets unhinged - it's like at the moment he's about to go for the nuclear option he realizes that it's better to go for a 'honey attracts flies' approach and gearshifts into the absolute melting lushness of 'right side of my brain'
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
first of all, you could argue that the payoff is the end of "right side of my brain", which means that it just takes really long to get to
BUT
i think the part in "fancy" before the rap where the instrumental is really swelling up and the-dream starts scatting (lol) and there's the screwed vocal ("all we do is, we spend this money") is a great & sorta subtle climax, then it all drops out for his rap so there's a tension release -- idk that part was always pretty epic to me
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
like my fav. part about the last 30 secs is the way those deep drums come in w/ like 10 seconds left while there are all these like 2-3 synth runs in the background - but his voice still remains measured, control, and the last line is "but even when I used to rock polos I was fancy..." and that's a capitulation, not a sign of victory
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
the swooping strings are the release imo, yeah, the part w/ the double-time rap
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
2-3 second synth runs, that should say
'right side of my brain' is the comedown, not the release
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
just realized this listening back the other night but i love how "fancy" evokes a sound that i think is sorta stereotypical of, like, a parisisan square? jazzy woodwinds & whatever,.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
svelte
― (gr8080), Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:10 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark
no!! "right side of my brain" is tense as hell. that's where the "explosive release" is. the last minute of that song is the heaviest part of the album.
the release is mr. yeah/kelly's 12 play, where he is back to fucking
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
get outta here grady
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
er, the comedown is mr. yeah etc
cant decide if im more frustrated by rong opinions here or in the politics thread
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
probably here
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:12 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark
this is weird to me, but i think it's because i would prefer an album of mr. yeahs + kelly's 12-play to what love v. money actually is.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol. okay just looking at the lyrics, 'fancy' is a 6 minute long epic where the-dream is just about to capitulate to this girl and just about to devote himself to her, before he pulls out (lol) at the very last second and takes a step back in 'right side of my brain'
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:08 PM (5 minutes ago)
yeah for me the release has always been in parts - starts with the screwed vocal, then the rap, then finally when the drums come in
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
can't believe I interrupted my catching up with TSJ to argue these points
billy cunningham is not happy w you jokers
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:11 PM (3 minutes ago)
^^otm, "mr yeah" is the comedown which is why i do not consider it part of the suite
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink