I've always hated the suites but I dunno how vocal I've been on these threads about that. I distinctly remember j0rd defending the suites as being among the best songs on l/m and love king tho... lex too I think
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah you love abyss, i know, i think it sucks, we've been over this xp
you just otm'ed dayo and i agree 100% w/ him so idk what side you're on here
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i should take back my dayo otm -- i do think that this album is the worst parts of the-dream's schtick, but i don't think its the suites themselves that were the problem or have poor songwriting on the other 2 albums
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
fuck I almost had my first deej otm
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
*writes long meandering song full of corny atmospherics in protest*
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
the suites had the best songwriting -- 'yamaha' -> 'nikki pt 2' - > 'abyss', 'fancy' - > 'right side of my brain' - > 'mr. yeah'
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
what's the suite on love king? yamaha-nikki 2-abyss? that one is awesome. if the suite is sex intelligent, i sort of agree that it's boring.
i have no use for love vs. money-love vs. money part 2.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
dayo otm about his characterization of this album though imo
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
sex intelligent -> sex intelligent remix, nikki pt 2 -> abyss
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
woohoo *writes FILA pt. 2* xp
abyss is so great i don't understand how anyone could not love it
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
the abyss has a nice outro but the part leading up to it is a huge slog
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol
I think some of the lvm/lvm pt. 2 plays were a result of listening along while reading posts on here about them
imo the suites are
love vs money -> love vs money 2 -> fancy -> right side of my brain
yamaha -> nikki pt 2 -> abyss
i... can't remember reading many people speaking out against these songs but maybe i've forgotten idk
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
both suites are central to enjoyment of either album imo
it's an art, being mean to your ex in a song. i love abyss and florida university, but the love vs. moneys are so boring. i think it's because abyss + f.u. glory in how juvenile they are, but the lvms are so self-important and thinking they're deep or something?
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know this is the opposite of how most dream fans on ilx feel, but love vs. money--->fancy is all just dumb to me. sometimes i think it's because i'm a girl lol.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like right side of my brain a lot though
yeah the LvMs are possibly my least favorite the-dream tracks, outside of 'panties to the side' and 'let me see that booty' and that ilk
so self-indulgent
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
horseshoe i can see where you're coming from
personally i like the LVMs because i think they stand out sonically on an album that has such rich & idiosyncratic production everywhere else
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess abyss isn't juvenile, but it's just straight-up mean instead of entering into tiresome justifications for meanness. also it sounds amazing.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i feel like my love for dream's disgusting persona is this very delicate balance and 1977 just seems like he ripped off the sleazeball mask to reveal a really sincere sleazeball and it's like ugh put your clothes back on.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
what do the LvMs bring sonically though - hey, terius knows how to trigger a gunshot sound?
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i am less attentive to this kind of thing. lol english majors.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
the entire thing is pretty painful to listen to
the suites had the best songwriting -- 'yamaha' -> 'nikki pt 2' - > 'abyss', 'fancy' - > 'right side of my brain' - > 'mr. yeah'― D-40, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:39 PM (4 minutes ago)
― D-40, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:39 PM (4 minutes ago)
i basically disagree with everything in this post, starting with what the suites even comprised - suites were pt1/pt2/fancy/right side on LVM (and i do love the latter two; tellingly they're a lot different than the former two in terms of structure, atmosphere, etc) and i guess yamaha/nikki pt2/abyss on the last one and obviously 'yamaha' doesn't need the other two to exist at all. i disagree that "nikki pt 2" is among his best songwriting jobs - weak, repetitive non-hook...and like i said imo "abyss" is just ugly to listen to but i think pretty obviously has some of his absolute worst lyrics
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
that first part was xp to horseshoe re: abyss
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
on the off chance nobody has made the "wake me when it's over" zing on 1977 yet, well, wake me when its over
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:44 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
abyss has an amazing hook -- you guys are crazy
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
like i said imo "abyss" is just ugly to listen to but i think pretty obviously has some of his absolute worst lyrics
u crazy, chorus of abyss is amazing
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
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― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:46 PM (6 minutes ago)
lol well pretend forgetfulness, etc, but i remember you saying the same thing and i said "only if you're a music critic" - the other songs bang harder end of story
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
only thing i disagree w/ re: horseshoe is that the production/songwriting on 'fancy' is so amazing that i'm willing to build up a 'hes playing a character' fantasy abt it
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
that might not be a disagreement idk
there is literally nothing wrong with fancy/right side of my brain & fuiud!
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
fancy is the one where i just find dream's fantasy about this materialistic woman kind of dumb, but i might be being unfair. if it were written by a chick about herself i might like it more. also, though, it would probably be better.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i haven't listened to it in ages so i will now
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't really listen to the-dream for the lyrics
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
the production on that is so epic xp
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
except for 'florida university' why because f. u.
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:52 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
idk i've always taken these almost like the-dream & tricky's take on industrial music
i mean it's sort of an obvious trick -- cold & punishing beats frame a song where a dude's life has become sad -- but i think it works
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
"fancy" is just o_O in every way
'fancy' is this 6 minute concentration of energies that never really finds a release, it's awesome
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:01 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah...i am dumb about talking about the music part of music so i talk about lyrics but i don't mean just lyrics, i just don't have the language to talk about the sound part. but i really love some of his lyrics.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:02 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark
i don't agree w/ that at all!!
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
yah fancy is more swirling wide screen cinematic grandeur
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
the thing i basically love about his sound is the "everything is happening inside a bouncy castle" feel. sometimes the lyrics are so dumb they take me out of the song, and i'm afraid "fancy" is one of those.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha well I almost never listen to the lyrics unless they jump out at me. I'm also an eng/lit major type fwiw.
I would totally write a freud style sublimation of energies essay about fancy if I was still into masturbating into music publications
― dayo, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait yeah what would u call the last 30 seconds of not a "release"
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think that part of me is also forgiving about it because i am broke & fantasize pretty readily / can understand why ppl fantasize about how much money would change their lives when working a shitty job, and i guess at some level i wish a the-dream would swoop in & hook me up w/ private jet rides
but not terius specifically
― D-40, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
this song is soooooooooooooo long you guys
― horseshoe, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
'right side of my brain' is the release
― prolego, Sunday, 4 September 2011 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink