JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

weirdo shit!
xp re: sextant

is that good or bad? People claiming stuff is 'too low' vs 'yawn boring canon picks fuck you ilm'?

my comments re: black saint also apply to Sextant. interesting listen, but rarely have an urge to hear it. it's like a movie with a plot twist, once I've heard it I don't really need to hear it again really even though I liked it a lot.

In every ilx thread ever:
A: You're a poser and your tastes clearly demonstrate that.
B: No, I'm not. Prove it. I like what I like because I like it and I like it a lot, I really, really like it.
A: I can't prove it, some people I once knew could have proved it but they washed away in the flood

Rinse and repeat.

"I enjoy black saint when i'm listening to it but never find myself sitting around with it stuck in my head or having an urge to listen to it (or part of it) like i do w/other mingus."

black saint gets stuck in my head like no other jazz.

listening to black saint now, it's awesome, need to spend more time with it again

i prefer the earlier mwandishi recs to sextant. very fun listen, though. herbie has to be one of the most consistently great artists of the last 50 years. even with some of the questionable things he's done in the last two decades or so.

would also like to point out that the entire mosaic ahmad jamal argo trio sessions (nine discs) box is on spotify! LISTENNNN.

is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?

7    John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #1 
http://blog-imgs-21.fc2.com/d/o/c/dochizame/sAscension.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6PTuYbT38J0UvZINkJu8W8

is there a free option for Spotify in US yet?

yeah, just in the last month or so. i'm in the US.

oh this beat one of his lesser records, all's well

sweet.
flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this

next time someone asks what i like, i will just point angrily at the hat.

<3

I've been thinking more about Hurting saying he doesn't know anyone who is seriously into jazz who rates Ra over other stuff. And the conclusion I have come to is that if true, it actually isn't that surprising. It's nothing to do with Ra not being as good as other jazz folk. It's more to do with 'someone who is seriously into jazz' probably approaching it from a more canonical viewpoint, liking the traditions and tropes at the heart of it, and rejecting other genres for not living up to those things that make jazz *special*. And people who come in to jazz through Ra being more interested in the stuff that plays with those traditions and tropes, and so perhaps not becoming so devoted to a single genre as to live up to the title 'person who is seriously into jazz'. Neither of these things means that Ra is less good, less worthy, or even less jazz than anyone else. Nor does it mean that the second person is "not hep to the real jazz" or whatever Hurting or deej are trying to imply.

flamenco guitar in black saint! why don't i remember this

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

Ascension really is one of the great pieces of culture, like the Normans had tapestrys and we had Ascension

emil.y otm

seconded

On favorite Mingus albums, it is so hard to choose as every one seems to have several or more incredible best of all time tracks Ah Um for "Goodbye Porkpye hat" The Clown for "Hatian Fight song" and Reincarnation of a Love Bird" Oh Yeah for Atomic Bomb etc etc. also I love and reccomend two albums that weren't nommed "East Coasting" and "Mingus at the Bohemia" (w Max Roach).

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

!!

this is the second piece of unexpected rock trivia to appear on this thread (the other one being Lloyd's connection to the Beach Boys/Mike Love)

Same guy (Jay Berliner) as on Astral Weeks.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 2, 2011

wow @ this!

he played w/fletcher henderson and jelly roll morton iirc

yeah MIngus at the Bohemia has some great stuff. there's another Mingus/Roach record too that's great, with them doing gershwin's "foggy day" that I love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZcEydEt7Q
but i agree, i find it hard to choose a single mingus record -- the 50s ones at least blend into one big delicious mingus omelette.

also connie kaye (MJQ) plays on astral weeks.

Speaking of Foggy Day - I adore those early Sun Ra singles that are all gorgeous vocal harmonies (The Nu-Sounds, etc).

he played w/fletcher henderson and jelly roll morton iirc

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, September 2, 2011

whut

'tonight at noon' by mingus is one of my favs

xp Wow, don't know that one, and i absolutely love Mingus at the Bohemia. Tonight at noon is great, I think for some reason it has been split in half and tacked onto the end of The Clown and Oh Yeah on the reissues of those i have (also on Spottify)

I've been thinking more about Hurting saying he doesn't know anyone who is seriously into jazz who rates Ra over other stuff. And the conclusion I have come to is that if true, it actually isn't that surprising. It's nothing to do with Ra not being as good as other jazz folk. It's more to do with 'someone who is seriously into jazz' probably approaching it from a more canonical viewpoint, liking the traditions and tropes at the heart of it, and rejecting other genres for not living up to those things that make jazz *special*. And people who come in to jazz through Ra being more interested in the stuff that plays with those traditions and tropes, and so perhaps not becoming so devoted to a single genre as to live up to the title 'person who is seriously into jazz'. Neither of these things means that Ra is less good, less worthy, or even less jazz than anyone else. Nor does it mean that the second person is "not hep to the real jazz" or whatever Hurting or deej are trying to imply.

― emil.y, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:03 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, it kind of does mean you're not hep to real jazz actually? even how you just articulated it

or it means youre hep to a specific stream of jazz which is rlly what we've been saying but w/e

yeah charles mingus quartet + max roach is killer, very cool sound overall. nothing else sounds like mingus, does it? maybe some of ellington's more cinematic pieces.

~~~~ Real Jazz ~~~~

Keep the essentialism coming, it's entertaining.

unlike you

What is the essence of Real Jazz, D-40?

(xp)
Lots of jazz cats on Astral Weeks. (Jordan's teacher) Richard Davis on bass!

What is the essence of Real Jazz, D-40?

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:16 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mystical hats obv

Davis has an insanely broad range of folks he's worked with: Van Morrison, Andrew Hill, Albert Ayler, Springsteen, and supposedly the trio of him, Lowell Davidson and Milford Graves was a monster live.

this is a cool list but gotta point out that these people aren't represented at all...2 of the greatest tenor saxes, arguably the greatest jazz vocalist, 2 of the greatest pianists, 2 of the greastest drummers, arguably the greatest guitarist, one of the greatest bandleaders, arguably the most iconic jazz artist ever.
and as i've said i'd rep for a post 45 album for each of them above, well honestly anything from, say, sun ra.

Too much fake jazz imo.

u sound butthurt

arguably the greatest jazz vocalist... arguably the greatest guitarist

pretty sure I know who yr referring to re/the latter (Django) and I agree. I have my guesses about the former but in general the lack of vocal jazz on here is lame. the only thing that even comes close is A New Perspective.

as far as the stuff that was included, i still cant believe how low 'live at birdland' was. no record w/ 'afro blue' & 'alabama' on it should be that low

Billie Holiday, Shakey

It's just hilarious, genuinely. This is akin to someone claiming people who like, idk, Messiaen more than Couperin don't like Real Classical Music and that there's something inherently flawed in their judgment and approach. What are the characteristics of Real Jazz, D-40? Definitely harps can't be a part of any Real Jazz performance, you've made that point clear. But what IS real jazz? Enlighten me.

Songs For Distingue Lovers...check that shit out y'all

6    Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes 
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pbqRGfiCuGk/TPpCwCbijkI/AAAAAAAAAoM/vrGkcYHH6Mw/s1600/sc0007c165.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/04sSPjO9MQFQ6fG4lpBI3G

speaking of essential vocalists, zero lambert, hendricks & ross

whoa. some how something at #6 can seem TOO LOW.

It's just hilarious, genuinely. This is akin to someone claiming people who like, idk, Messiaen more than Couperin don't like Real Classical Music and that there's something inherently flawed in their judgment and approach. What are the characteristics of Real Jazz, D-40? Definitely harps can't be a part of any Real Jazz performance, you've made that point clear. But what IS real jazz? Enlighten me.

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Friday, September 2, 2011 3:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

all of the shit we're naming that you didn't vote for is some of the 'real jazz' that you might want to check out instead of trying to tell us we're being purist fascists or whatever

How can you be sure I wouldn't have voted for it, didn't vote for some of it?