JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

this thread is getting "retarded"

IDK, I've just never met anyone who actually had a very good handle on jazz and preferred sun ra to other jazz. Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll.

I don't have a good handle on jazz and I love Sun Ra more than anyone else in jazz (so there you go), but I think you gloss over another possibility which is that there is something else that he is doing musically (at least a lot of the time) that is what someone like me might like about him. If anything, I find myself wishing I could filter out more and more of the packaging. It may not be about the music being jazz, but it is about the music (for me). The fire-eaters are nice though.

I think it's fair to say that Alice both benefited from and suffered from being in John's shadow. otoh being his widow gave her unprecedented and highly unusual exposure in the jazz world, but it also allowed people to just dismiss her as his crazy wife etc

xp

so none of y'all fuck with "Thrust" huh

Hurting 2, oh, totally. I just think what Alice did is genuinely as great as what a lot of her male contemporaries were doing.

She's also sampled like crazy. I'd say if anything time has been pretty fair to AC.

i mean, some of u probably dont like how ive approached this argument in this thread which, ok, sorry, but i also just get the distinct sense that some ppl think we shouldnt even be having this discussion which, well, i just disagree.

I fucks with Thrust, really fun record

i do

xps

xpost I love Thrust. Fucking Mike Clark. It's a total instrumentalist geek album though.

threads winning now haha
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/most-read-threads.jsp

hats be working

IDK, I've just never met anyone who actually had a very good handle on jazz and preferred sun ra to other jazz. Also especially with Sun Ra so much of the enjoyment is about the total package of his narrative, persona, costumes, craziness etc. and all that stuff just seems like it doesn't have much to do with the music being jazz, which is why I couldn't help but be a little rankled if Sun Ra topped a jazz poll.

Hm. I could sort of see this. A lot of the stuff I like walks on the boundaries of genre (not necessarily in jazz, and this is a bit of a generalisation, but it'll work in this context). However, I think you're doing down Ra - the music really is the main thing, and it very clearly belongs to the jazz world.

like the story in Thrust's liner notes of how, upon seeing Mike Clark enter the club or whatever venue, other drummers would flip the "Palm Grease" beat as a tip of the cap. /drum dork

i think part of my resistance w/ Ra too is that like when i was learning abt jazz i was the only person i knew who really fucked w/ his stuff really heavy, & i kind of liked that about it? that he was a weird, outside artist for ppl who identified w/ weird, outside artists. but seeing him shifted to the center of the canon is just weird

Does Shelly Manne even drum on any of these albums?

9    Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sQ6AlsR3DY/S7aCJ0lSWEI/AAAAAAAAAbk/2a7Dl-aeo-8/s1600/kind+of+blue.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/42ge6JtPfeF6FEYXCJ50Gu

wow low

kerr spoilering the thread by adding albums to the Spotify list first, btw

Never heard of that one.

ruined by coffee shops imo

how about, stuff that was going against the grain of jazz' narrative?

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 3:01 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

That's simply incorrect. In the 60s, the new music ("free jazz," "the new thing," "the avant-garde," etc.) was seen -- by both its adherents and detractors -- as the next step in the development of the music. It was not on the sidelines, not a tangent, not an offshoot; it was, in terms of musicians coming to terms with certain things and developing those things, what bebop had been in the 40s/50s. It also, like no previous movement in the music, harkened back to the earliest days of collective improvisation in the music.

nothing could ruin that record

wm, i add it like the second before posting! but i did wonder when someone would notice!

eh, KOB is still great, even if it's *the* token jazz album.

That's simply incorrect. In the 60s, the new music ("free jazz," "the new thing," "the avant-garde," etc.) was seen -- by both its adherents and detractors -- as the next step in the development of the music. It was not on the sidelines, not a tangent, not an offshoot; it was, in terms of musicians coming to terms with certain things and developing those things, what bebop had been in the 40s/50s. It also, like no previous movement in the music, harkened back to the earliest days of collective improvisation in the music.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:37 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we're not talking about the same records

Clint Eastwood's favorite record iirc

mainly because when i posted to ilx first i kept forgetting to add to spotify and had to go back and jig thinga round.

nothing could ruin that record

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, September 2, 2011 2:37 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

realest talk

xp Applies to Sun Ra, though.

was my 1st jazz album (picked up after listening to a friend play coltrane on a road trip...i was so clueless about jazz, i'd heard the name john coltrane but assumed he was from the 30s or something. even after hearing the music. don't know what trane it was)

You added Mwandishi 3 minutes early -- I thought about spoilering it here but am too nice a guy.

kind of blue v low wow

can understand a "not kind of blue again" compulsion tbh

smh @ castanets

― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011

this was an underrated post btw

WmC: pollice

You never did get a chance to do that shop, did you, WmC?

For those interested in contemporary jazz harp, the player whose name comes up a lot these days is a (non-curvy) Colombian named Edmar Castañeda.

tbh i dont think anything that makes the top 10 can be seen as low, if it still beats ALS. Guessing it'll be Karma v. Black Saint v. Silent Way for #1

not a single #1 vote for KoB!

can understand a "not kind of blue again" compulsion tbh

― zvookster, Friday, September 2, 2011 2:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course you can u get to disagree w me again lol

(sorry about shelly manne xpost)

'black saint' is still my pick for overrated mingus record. its good but def not my favorite

was there ever a kind of blue vs a love supreme poll on ilm?

lol deej i didn't say justify tho!

That one pic of Hoos didn't lend itself to shopping into the cover, and just changing the text to KIND OF HOOS didn't seem worth it. #riderdemandsnogreenm&ms

I don't have a good handle on jazz and I love Sun Ra more than anyone else in jazz

ah um > black saint

otm

i listen more to mingusx5 than either these days tho

has mingusx5 charted? dont remember seeing it.

really worried bout Real McCoy making it.

yes it did