Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.

Oh god yes. It's great.

I don't know where to dig deeper at this point

Find a copy of the 1989 or 1991 Trouser Press book. Both of those were my initial guides. That said, you need to investigate way more dance, hip-hop and metal, for a start.

You need some EPMD and some SOD. And some NWA and some DRI.

Really though, metal was where it was at in the 80's: Metallica, Slayer, Nuclear Assault, Anthrax, SOD, Sacred Reich, Suicidal Tendencies, Excel, Crumbsuckers, DRI, Cryptic Slaughter, Final Conflict, Napalm Death, Carcass.. I could really go on forever.

already love the Wedding Present, though

Need a second opinion...? Tom Ewing's Top 100 LPs of the 90s

Tried to follow this link at the bottom of Ned's 136 Albums page (link) and it's dead. Is the "Top 100 LPs" thing a typo? I've internalized Tom's top 100 singles list (link) but I didn't know Tom also made a Top 100 LPs list... or did he?

He did but it was just a straightforward list and I don't think it's available anywhere now.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010303234320/http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/bestlps.html

Your welcome,
markers

(P.S. http://web.archive.org rules.)

Ahh there we go, I just found it myself the same way. Still a lot of stuff I like on this list!

Ned, would you still rep. for those Goo Goo Dolls albums? And, just out of curiosity, how far into the depths of hell did you follow that band... er, what was the most recent album of theirs that you heard? Dizzy Up the Girl? Anything afterward...?

Dizzy Up was the last, which I only heard the once. I'll stick with that earlier stretch, though as with a lot of the albums on the list I really haven't listened to any of them in years. There are either newer albums or older ones I hadn't discovered yet to listen to.

ned you put a goo goo dolls album on yr list. you goofus.

Two, not one, FWIW.

i currently own 52 of these albums. that's kind of surprising!

Haha it is! Offhand I'm guessing one of them is Trumans Water.

actually, no. (i should note that some of them are all-time for me, and some haven't been played since this thread was started, probably. but i know they're there, lurking, somewhere, in the house.)

i still love tom's list. i'd love to hear him take on some of these albums again with ten years hindsight. (and ten years of "popular" et al behind him.)

totally didn't predict the mercury rev worship

There are bands I regret never seeing who I would have had no practical chance to ever see, and the David Baker-era Rev is one of them. I don't think the band ever even played California until 1998.

huh, I figured there'd be a larger overlap than 31 albums (and that's actually counting a couple I used to own but were stolen that I haven't replaced yet)

I suspect we bleed over more when it comes to eighties albums. (And the past decade, probably!)

haha true

I dare not count the albums I own from this list... I'm guessing somewhere in the 60-80 range but I may be underestimating a bit.

OWN: 60%, or 81 out of 136 -- and that's including 25 of the top 26, ffs.

USED TO OWN: 8%, or 11 out of 136 -- mostly a lot of Britpop-related (Suede, Oasis, Placebo, Super Furries) and industrial (Manson, Ministry) albums, plus a few others that never clicked (Sundays, Prodigy, Goo Goo Dolls, Veldt).

DO NOT OWN: 32%, or 44 out of 136 -- admittedly there's a few albums in this list that I've meant to buy but haven't gotten around to yet, mostly by artists I already like (Ween, Disco Inferno, His Name Is Alive, Pale Saints, Pelt), plus about 38-39 albums I just haven't gotten around to yet.

(I can't believe I just spent ~15 min. figuring that out.)

Can anyone beat 81/136, besides Ned of course?

Does Ned even own 81 of these anymore?

Not sure, really.

So upon deeper inspection, Tom's list is really great also (even though I understand he's disowned it) and has served as a reminder to pick up several albums I've not gotten around to yet -- Ghost's debut, Beta Band's debut, +/-, Chill Out, Ende Neu, Rock 'n' Roll Station. A look at my stats:

OWN: 41 -- lots of great stuff here. I'm particularly surprised that Tom's included Fushitsusha/Keiji Haino, Dead C, Faust, etc. but maybe I've put his tastes into a box a bit much... a welcome surprise, in any case.

USED TO OWN: 7 -- Mag Fields, Palace, Sundays, Frank Black solo.

DO NOT OWN: 52 -- including those above that I've meant to check out. Admittedly there's a lot more on Tom's list than Ned's that I haven't familiarized myself with... something to change piece-by-piece in the coming years.

re: Mercury Rev -- their 90s output is pretty astonishing. the 00s have dulled that feeling quite a bit, but if, say, deserters songs was their last album, it'd be an unimpeachable run of classic reocrds imo.

Agreed.

(i even like quite a bit of all is dream, so it's really just the last two that have been bummers)

There is some funny stuff upthread: Ned Raggett vs. deej FITE, cee-oh-tee-tee vs. strongo hulkington FITE, etc.

ott, i was thinking this the other day: do you own any music made by black people?

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:05 PM (6 years ago)

What caused you to think that, Jess? And do you think there's an inherent value to a particular music simply because it was made by black people?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:07 PM (6 years ago)

one of your former pitchfork staffers linked me to a website where you detailed your record collection. quite detailed. and i just didn't remember seeing any. odd, is all.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:10 PM (6 years ago)

Well that would be my bitter, paranoiac underling Brent DiCresenczo, or however you spell his last name. He spends an inordinate amount of time worrying that I'm smarter than him.

What you saw was a catalog of the CDs I bought in (and brought to) college, which I had in an Excel spreadsheet; my roommate from last year converted it to a graphical web DB testing out his MySQL and PHP skills. So yeah, it was mostly white indie and electronic bands from the laet-80s/90s. Off the top of my head though...Tricky, Jeru, Busta, N.W.A., Public Enemy, and Eddie Floyd were in there. James Brown and Bob Marley I had on tapes, for my walkman-- I used to bring it to the studio to drum along to. Feel better now?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:20 PM (6 years ago)

markers if you can dig this one up on Web Archive or anything, I will be amazed. Challenge is ON.

It seems that the Pumpkins love is the thing for which Ned gets the most general ire. This makes me sad.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:38 PM (6 years ago)

Funny, cause I even like the Pumpkins.

― ddrake, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:39 PM (6 years ago)

Wonder if deej would still rep for the Pumpkins seven years later??

Wow I was a real dick in this thread. I mean, even more than usual.

I found this along with the original Pitchfork 90s list a long time ago. From the individual top 90s lists of Pitchfork staff.

CHRIS OTT
1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2. Jesus Lizard - Goat
3. Radiohead - OK Computer
4. Portishead - Dummy
5. Slint - Spiderland
6. Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
7. Bjork - Post
8. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
9. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
10. Breeders - Pod
11. Yo La Tengo - Painful
12. Lemonheads - It's a Shame About Ray
13. Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
14. Warlock Pinchers - Circusized Peanuts
15. Ride - Nowhere
16. Built to Spill - Perfect From Now On
17. Aphex Twin - I Care Because You Do
18. Primal Scream - Screamedelica
19. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
20. Bjork - Homogenic
21. Dinosaur Jr. - Green Mind
22. Nirvana - Nevermind
23. Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam
24. Happy Mondays - Pills 'N' Thrills and Bellyaches
25. Sonic Youth - Goo
26. Tricky - Maxinquaye
27. Spiritualized - Pure Phase
28. Morrissey - Vauxhall and I
29. Jesus Lizard - Liar
30. Luna - Bewitched
31. Swell - 41
32. Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet
33. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works II
34. Screeching Weasel - My Brain Hurts
35. His Name is Alive - Stars on E.S.P.
36. Oval - 94diskont
37. Bedhead - Whatfunlifewas
38. Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes
39. Built to Spill - There's Nothing Wrong With Love
40. Depeche Mode - Violator
41. Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want What I Havent Got
42. Burger/Ink - Las Vegas
43. Sunny Day Real Estate - LP2
44. Ride - Going Blank Again
45. Seam - The Problem With Me
46. Sonora Pine - II
47. PJ Harvey - Rid of Me
48. Codeine - Frigid Stars
49. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
50. Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days...
51. Replacements - All Shook Down
52. Weezer - Blue
53. Karate - Karate
54. Pixies - Bossanova
55. Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
57. Magnetic Fields - Holiday
58. Seefeel - Quique
59. Orbital - Orbital 2
60. Luna - Penthouse
61. Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
62. Radiohead - The Bends
63. Helmet - Meantime
64. Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles
65. Yo La Tengo - Electr-o-pura
66. Massive Attack - Mezzanine
67. Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
68. Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?
69. Superchunk - On the Mouth
70. Strung Out - Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues
71. Swirlies - Blondertongueaudiobaton
72. Low - The Curtain Hits the Cast
73. Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona
74. Chapterhouse - Whirlpool
75. Melvins - Houdini
76. Sebadoh - III
77. Curve - Doppelganger
78. Peter Gabriel - Us
79. U2 - Achtung Baby
80. Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime
81. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been?
82. Milf - Ha Ha Bus!
83. F.Y.P. - Finish Your Popcorn
84. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
85. Quicksand - Slip
86. Mogwai - Come on Die Young
87. Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes
88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming
89. Faint - Blank Wave Arcade
90. Suzanne Vega - 99.9F
91. Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
92. Liz Phair - Whip Smart
93. The The - Dusk
94. Bettie Seveert - Palomine
95. 18th Dye - Tribute to a Bus
96. Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R.
97. Galaxie 500 - This is Our Music
98. Moby - Ambient
99. Prince - (Love Symbol Album)
100.Beat Happening - You Turn Me On

A lot of my favorites on there.

Like Milf, The Swirlies, Bedhead, Swell, GBV, 18th Dye...

98. Moby - Ambient

!!!

Ambient is a really weird album. very dark and muted and not very ambient at all.

the first track uses the same strings he later used in "Move"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S43AEG4DyvY

56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain

HEEEEEYYYYY WAIT A SECOND...

I can't get past "to those gold sounds" because I always pressed >> after that.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, September 10, 2010 6:03 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

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As far as I'm concerned this band ends at "Stop Breathing".

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, September 10, 2010 6:48 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

should we assume there are only 55 albums or less that Ott actually likes?

I mean, that would explain 78. Peter Gabriel - Us

88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming

I predict this'll make you double take.

man dude hated pitchfork even then

putting indie chestnuts he actually hated alongside obvious yuppie horseshit, that's some scathing satire

re you giving YOURSELF a fair chance to listen to hip hop?

90s lists made in actual proximity to the 90s are always so much more interesting than lists people make today.

Also, Ned - God Machine! Haven't heard them in years years years.