JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

fringe listeners have diametrically different opinions than a jazz hivemind

he suffered vote splitting im sure

if having nearly as many records as miles & trane counts as s'suffering'

I'm assuming one or two other Ra albums will still show up...? maybe that's being optimistic

jazz hivemind did 9/11

miles and trane outscored him so far though i lost count

Cosmic Tones certainly deserved to be higher. Search For The New Land is my favorite out of these last ones.

no Sun Ra album is better than Cosmic Tones

really?

easily really

I'd be inclined to agree.

lorax why would anyone only want to vote for one album? we didn't get less than a 10 vote ballot. Which is the way it should be. We got a good few full 100 ballots as well as mine.

its better than heliocentric worlds of?

or nothing is?

Totally. Black Myth/Out In Space a close second maybe. For me, anyway.

Just had to announce my #1 is all
Please go on

I own heliocentric worlds 1 and 2 and yes it is better

I personally prefer The Magic City, but I could go either way. I definitely don't think there is a single Sun Ra record that stands head-and-tinfoil-covered-shoulders above the rest, though.

lorax how about -

26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8tRUd669B4I/TF8u_q4xaBI/AAAAAAAABeY/TsIP6btAWj4/s1600/Space+is+the+Place+(LP).jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4KsD7TdYrEd1NX0q5GMHNt

~cosmic hat~

nope

just get the hatbox set

that kind of puts the other mystical hats to shame tbh

speaking purely about the hat itself, not the music contained within the hat

Controversial! Actually I have no idea why this is the highest Ra - it has a nice version of Space is the Place and that's about it. I did vote for it, mainly out of sentimental reasons: it was the first jazz album I ever bought and did have an effect on how I listened to music.

Personally I am a fan of the music contained within that hat. And most of his other hats, too.

Do you have a hat, deej? Or is this partly hat envy?

Oh I see it has five stars from Allmusic, maybe it's more canonical than I thought.

YESSSSS

xp

I'm not even sure if I voted for that hat, to be honest. He is a man of too many hats.

im sure an actual sun ra albums ballot poll would have different results everytime.

For any fans of cheapness out there who haven't heard Herbie Hancock's Crossings, I bought it yesterday for £1.69 from the Amazon MP3 store. Also got Pharoah Sanders' Black Unity album for £0.69.

seandalai i think it was probably a lot of peoples first exposure. its on impulse,was reissued and easy to find.

Actually I have no idea why this is the highest Ra

I'd venture that it's because the album covers the broad range of styles Ra embraced - there's the chants, the free blowing, some loose big band swing, Rocket No. 9 has some goofy synth sounds - it's about as representative an album as he ever cut. and the movie it's associated with is definitely a masterpiece of some kind, so there's that.

but honestly I agree w/emil.y that there's no clear high point/masterwork in his catalog, he wasn't really that kind of artist. there's albums I prefer more than others for one reason or another, but none of them really encapsulate the whole of his vision and this one probably comes closest.

xp

probably the 1st sun ra cd I got after getting the heliocentric worlds of vinyls in fopp in byres road for a fiver each in the 90s.

rocket no 9 is awesome

'Rocket No. 9' is the song that the MC5 covered amirite?

Wow, I...I've never actually heard this. I've heard the soundtrack (the one on Evidence), but not this.

no. they "covered" Starship which was actually just some poem that the MC5 set to music of their own...? (I was confused re: this very point on some Sun Ra thread, cuz I'd never come across a song or poem called "Starship", and yet had seen it covered by the MC5 and Spacemen 3)

Oh shit, I'm conflating it with Rocket Reducer No. 62 aren't I?

Fucking rockets.

ahhh, i always wondered about that!! I just assumed it was from one of those hundreds of ra albums i'd never heard!

challops?
i prefer the spacemen 3 version

The "Space is the Place" on this album is probably the first song I ever heard by Sun Ra, that made an impression anyway (back in my teens). Actually, at this point I wouldn't mind if the song were a bit shorter, but the band sounds incredible.

Point of Departure is one of my jazz albums I really really wanted to like, but I could not get into it. I thought I was going to click with Andrew Hill after hearing some live solo recordings of his that I liked, but it never really happened for me. I do own Compulsion, but mostly for the sake of John Gilmore's presence.

I saw Hill live, too. I definitely admire the level at which they were playing, the way they meshed together.

No posts for the past seven minutes. I killed ILM.

Recap 250-26

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes
60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes

49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes
48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes
47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes
46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes
45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes
44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes
43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes
42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes
41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes
40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes
38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
35 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes
33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes
32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #1
31 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes
30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #1
29 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #1
28 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes
27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #1
26 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes

Charles Mingus - 8
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 7
Thelonious Monk - 7
Herbie Hancock - 8
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 11
John Coltrane - 18
Miles Davis - 27

Might be others with 5 but cba checking. And of course some are sidemen on other albums.

Charles Mingus - 8
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 7
Thelonious Monk - 7
Herbie Hancock - 8
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 11
John Coltrane - 18
Miles Davis - 27

anyone surprised by which ppl arent in here? maybe Rollins?

Hope everyone is still enjoying the jazz poll and will check out as much as they can, especially on the Spotify Poll Results playlist

Will commence the countdown around 2pm UK time unless there's lots of people around posting on the thread and I might start an hour earlier.

Sonny Rollins has 4

Ornette Coleman has 5

Freddie Hubbard has 5