will now officially complain that A New Perspective is TOO LOW!
re: Agharta/Pangea - the thing that got me into those records, oddly enough, was some random Motorbooty piece that described them as Miles "with his finger on the g-spot of mother earth". that description has always stuck with me.
xp
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.downbeat.com/default.asp?sect=stories&subsect=story_detail&sid=773 xp
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
Miscellaneous Instrument: Roland Kirk-Manzello & Stritch
*sigh*
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
Sounds like a ventriloquist act: "The amazing Roland Kirk-Manzello, and his pal Stritch!"
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
Zvookster your confusing "likes a love supreme" with "thinks a love supreme is tranes best." Crouch is invested in a project of deifying coltrane so hearing him say a negative thing abt "a love supreme" would run counter to his overall project
Don't you think the reason khan wrote a book on "supreme" vs the others might be related to which book there was a market for
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
Khannnnnnnnnn!
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
crouch hates late coltrane fwiw, thinks the dude lost the plot post-classic quintet.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
just show me this canon! how hard can it be? cause it looks like it doesn't exist on the evidence xxp
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
Crouch is invested in a project of deifying coltrane so hearing him say a negative thing abt "a love supreme" would run counter to his overall project
Crouch saying something negative about Coltrane's post-1965 output would also run counter to that project, but I'm pretty sure Crouch has done so at least seven times just in the last hour.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
deej's world of jazz people
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yes he thinks trane fell off but that doesn't contradict what I said??
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
"show me this canon" ? Wtf is wrong with you
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheCGV0ZXIGY3JVDWNOUGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgPeter%20Crouch3.jpg
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Granny daingers world of shitty opinions
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
deejs world of made up opinions
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
why you so aggro dude, go lie outside, it's beautiful out you herb
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world
― D-40, Thursday, September 1, 2011
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cLI19EXK2oU/S_l037yAgEI/AAAAAAAAAoE/N-FpD2kNNR0/s1600/1216728063031_f.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/56WqCnM5giX57Jr3aAN2aK
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
about right
maybe the best miles album imo
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Will be taking it down to #31 tonight. Originally was going to try take it down further and do the top 20 friday but i doubt we will have time.If there's lots of posts when we get to 31 i could continue but no point if no-ones around.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
It will finish friday though
I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to do the requisite research w citations to prove that "a love supreme" isn't seen as tranes best album by all jazz critics, unfortunately it takes more work than the wikipedia search you dudes did to prove it is acclaimed, but I've been reading about jazz since I was a teenager and have a decent grasp of the nature of jazz discourse thanks
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
hey, i just want to say, no matter how inevitable the results are, i've seen at least three people on this thread listen to grant green for the first time because of this poll
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
Sam it's funny you say that, It's one of the earliest Miles cd's i bought and never got into it and i just found loads more I did. I will get back to it.
infact i'll spotify it now (i have that miles complete columbia box set but my cd players gone a bit weird and dont wanna scratch anything)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
what i'm trying to say is
everyday is a winding road
i've seen at least three people on this thread listen to grant green for the first time because of this poll
warms the cockles of my heart
just to be clear here - deej's position is that Crouch and Kahn's public opinions about A Love Supreme have no bearing on the jazz canon, as they both have conflicts of interest/economic/professional incentives to promote it. Also we should take deej's word for it that tons of other jazz critics (presumably totally impartial ones with no conflicts of interest) don't rate ALS very highly.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
glad that's settled xp
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
I have also been reading about jazz since I was a teenager btw
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
There's quite a few albums in the top 50 I don't know or have only heard once, but I don't think I've hated any of the ones I've heard that made it. Maybe one day I'll get into vocal jazz?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
in fact deej said everyone knew it was "one of his lesser albums" backing up his "vocal mantras" "smh @ rock dudes" "nowhere near among his best" opinions, read any jazz crit etc.
classic backpedal.gif
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
btw this is also an amazing book about 'outsider' jazz (lol starts with Coltrane tho) - well at least the first 2/3rds of it anyway
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
i sort of get and don't get your objection to sun ra, deej
i mean, for every moog spacheship suite he incorporated some pretty traditional jazz on his records. vocal jazz, too. i know he is critically ensconced because white people love outer space but i think in listening to his records people can be clued in to the wider tradition.
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't listen to jazz until i was like 23 and never read about it bar one big book in the library that recommended lots of it (from bebop to fusion inc free)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Just to be clear, shakey is putting words in my mouth
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe one day I'll get into vocal jazz?
aw what?! Betty Carter! that Byrd album! I repped for Blossom Dearie too but nobody cared
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
it's so big, looked like there was room
Zvookster what trane albums have u heard
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
i've read Alyn Shipton's A New History of Jazz, which is not thrilling prose but is really good, i recommend it
deej, giant steps favorite things blue train a love supreme and live at the village vangaurd again
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
oh i can listen to that kind of stuff fine, but i've never got into the big jazz singers
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
can't wait for love supreme to be #1 in this poll
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
that is of course irrelevant xxp
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone actually linked to any jazz critics saying supreme is his best record
And for what its worth citing crouch is lol at one level bcuz hes a total jazz crit contrarian!
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
lol
I kinda don't expect it to be tho
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
just show me this canon!
guessing that deej's impression of jazz critical consensus is inside of books which are not archived forever on the internet
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
let me know if i'm wrong about that
i think the reason people are jumping on deej is because he spoke about a canon that he refers to but wont show a link to it when asked rather than for disagreeing with his point of view. If it was just that i'm sure there would be less clowning.xps
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
nothing wrong with listing books
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
anyway sketches of spain is a pretty fucking cool record, right
deep dark marches
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link