JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

lovely record. george coleman doesn't get enough credit, he's great on everything i've heard. though on that elvis costello TV show, herbie praised him, and you could hear like one guy in the audience burst into applause.

53    Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51k0WjwbwIL._SS400_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1BHwJqnHhuIryphXMZ0PMQ

why did Monk get such awful covers...? seems so unfair

there's that one, and the one with the kiddie wagon. just.... why

52    Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrIbhNHgFFs/TcwBt22sHdI/AAAAAAAAAOU/xcshO2zJV-c/s1600/COVER.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/27Rl7A8jXEQOkIfUKOa6ZU

Hope Night Dreamer makes it. Never was much of a Hubbard fan, definitely prefer Lee Morgan.

51    Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes
http://www.soulstrut.com/images/uploads/reviews/B000005MLY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/6gTHTc1DucAt6we7SLRDog

Oh come on, the vocal mantra lasts for maybe a minute, and it's hardly the thing that makes the album great. Sure, A Love Supreme has unnecessarily eclipsed all the other great Coltrane albums, but that happens to a lot of artists (it's the same with Kind of Blue for Miles, Ah Um for Mingus, Time Out for Dave Brubeck, etc). On the other hand, with artists like Coltrane who have such a large and sprawling discography, it might be good a thing there is a canonical album for newbies to start with, especially since it's a great album that exemplifies well what was great about Coltrane. With artists like Sun Ra who've released dozens of albums but none of them is the canonical one, the newbie might be kinda lost at where to start. (This is certainly one reasons I've never really delved into his music.)

― Tuomas, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:43 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fwiw this is bullshit -- kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

also i love that lonnie liston smith album but its yet another example of a pop record beating jazz ones

POPISM RULES

like, that record beating 'moanin' is nonsense

great album though!

it wouldn't have if you had voted deej!

that donald byrd 'off to the races' is weirdly high. anyone want to talk about it? i havent heard it but my experience w/ mid-60s byrd is that hes a fairly average trumpet player

had no idea the good doctor was so popular tbh

kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

I don't get this frankly. the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Miles is correct, but the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Trane is wrong...? Seems to me like Love Supreme is ALWAYS cited as his key work, as the best entry point into his catalog. (note: it is not my favorite record of his, that would be Blue Trane)

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, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record

I get the feeling a lot of people will disagree with you there.. dunno why.

guys he said it isn't even close to his best, didn't you read

maybe in rock critic books but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world

I'm reserving judgment on these other Byrd albums placing until I see where A New Perspective ranks

btw I had to take a break from all the exclusive-jazz-listening I've been doing over the past few days. moving onto Dio at the moment.

xp

Dio should have recorded with Miles & McLaughlin

but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums

think Stanley Crouch would beg to differ, among others

(I hate Stanley Crouch btw)

A Love Supreme is the only Coltrane album to get a "crown" in the 8th edition of the Penguin guide fwiw. And those dudes are pretty hostile to a lot of the spiritual jazz stuff.

THERE'S NO CASE TO BE MADE

ok on with the top 50. I guess I better not ask a mod to change the title...

50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/TA0n5D6fr4I/AAAAAAAAB38/31j4hsyBwH4/s1600/ole-coltrane.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5BGkenbuo3xY3CRblRPj8K

not a rock critic

xp

Olé is fucking beautiful.

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wait, sorry, Ascension gets one too, but they really gush over ALS: "it is without precedent or parallel."

rob, and they were right. :)

i thought ascension was only liked by free jazz guys and not classic jazz guys?

Re: A Love Supreme, it's not in my top 5, or even top 10, of Trane records. The actual music isn't dramatically different from Live At Birdland or Crescent, but the concept gives it an air of importance not seen in that way in his work before. For me, it's his Tommy, and like Tommy, it really came together when played live (which supposedly only happened twice, but one of those was recorded and released).

linking to jazz critics who like a love supreme isnt telling me anything since im not saying its a bad album
take one logic class

Goat otm

jazz critics who like a love supreme

if this is what you got from those posts, maybe you should take one reading comprehension course?

Dio should have recorded with Miles & McLaughlin

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:37 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

He shoulda been the vocalist in Tony Williams' Lifetime (imagine "One Word" an octave higher).

(I think you guys should just ignore him, tbh. Don't feed the special snowflake syndrome.)

love supreme is a beautiful record. his best? probably not, but i think the fact that he conceived of it quite consciously as a "major work", a unified whole (not always the case with his records), is why it gets the sometimes overripe praise, at least relative to say Crescent (which i think is just as good).

yes, yes, tylerw OTM.

it wouldn't have if you had voted deej!

also this. did the same thing in the hip hop poll - didn't vote and then bitched about the placings

xp

and i dunno, i've never been able to get into the live version of ALS -- it's good, but not amazing like the studio version.

i thought ascension was only liked by free jazz guys and not classic jazz guys?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think the line has become blurred over the years. Partly it's because it's Coltrane, and he'll get a pass from more conservative critics before, say, Cecil Taylor does. And partly because, as with Ornette, some Cecil, Charlie Parker, etc. etc., it doesn't seem as radical now as it did then.

Fuck if I know why Freddie Hubbard's on it, though.

(I think you guys should just ignore him, tbh. Don't feed the special snowflake syndrome.)

― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:48 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what are you contributing exactly -- ?

also this. did the same thing in the hip hop poll - didn't vote and then bitched about the placings

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― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:49 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course i can, sorry i didnt see the deadline but better this than 100 posts of someone saying "GREAT ALBUM!!!"

linking to jazz critics who like a love supreme isnt telling me anything since im not saying its a bad album
take one logic class

please to show me where this mysterious "jazz canon" you and you alone have access to is interred, and what it has to say about A Love Supreme then

oh shakey i think it's cool deej is giving his opinions. I just wish he had voted is all. Deej knows his jazz. And like everyone else he has his faves and opinions, and it brings good chat to the thread.

Crouch, for example, has long positioned himself as keeper of the jazz canon flame afaict. should we get Marsalis' opinion on the subject too

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of course a love supreme is considered a great album but if you listen to the record its not even as good as similar records from the same period, and its not like im alone in making this observation. read any fucking jazz criticism

i dont know why im arguing with shakey who admits on this list to not having heard key artists in the genre then claims to speak w/ authority about trane's best records

who admits on this list to not having heard key artists in the genre then claims to speak w/ authority about trane's best records

slow your roll there son

Fuck if I know why Freddie Hubbard's on it, though.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)

you dont like freddie??

not that anyone needs to know all jazz to speak on it or something but if you're going to nitpick w/ me about this at least have some background in it