JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

^^^gauntlet thrown

Miles electric period >>>>>>> Miles acoustic period btw

OTM, fusion Miles is my favorite.

apples vs oranges

Recap 250-61

250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4
249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3
248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3
247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3
246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4
245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4
243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2
243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2
242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3
240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4
240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4
239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2
238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3
237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4
236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3
235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3
234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5
233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4
232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4
231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402
230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4
229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3
228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4
227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5
226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4
225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4
224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4
223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4
222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4
221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5
220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3
219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes
218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes
217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes
216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes
215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes
214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes
213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes
212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes
211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes
210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes
209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes
208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes
207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes
206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes
205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes
204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes
203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes
202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes
201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes

200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes
199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes
198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes
197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes
196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes
195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes
194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes
193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes
192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes
191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes
190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votes
TIE
188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes
187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes
186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes
185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes
184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes
183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votes
TIE
181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes
181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes
180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes
179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes
178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes
177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes
176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes
175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote
174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes
173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes
172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votes
TIE
170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes
170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes
169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes
168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes
167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes
166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes
165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes
164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes
163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes
162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes
161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes
160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votes
Tie
158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes
158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes
157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes
156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1
155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes
154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes
153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes
152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes
151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes

TIE
149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes
149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes
148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes
147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votes
TIE
145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes
145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes
144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes
143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes
142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes
141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes
140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5
139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes
138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes
137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes
136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes
135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes
134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes
133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes
132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points
131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes
130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes
129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes
128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes
127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes
126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes
125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes
124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes
123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes
122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes
121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes
120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes
119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes
118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes
117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votes
TIE
115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes
115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes
114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes
113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes
112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes
111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes
110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes
109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes
108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes
107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes
106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes
105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes
104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes
103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1
102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes
101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes

100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes
99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes
98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes
97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes
96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes
95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes
94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes
93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes
92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes
91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes
90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes
89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes
88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes
87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes
86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes
85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes
84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes
83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes
82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #1
81 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes
80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes
79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's
78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes
77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes
74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes
73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes
72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes
71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes
70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes
69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes
68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes
67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #1
66 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #1
65 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 1
64 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes

Artist count so far -
Charles Mingus - 5
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 6
Thelonious Monk - 6
Herbie Hancock - 6
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 10
John Coltrane - 15 (plus on other albums)
Miles Davis - 21

fusion is one of those oranges where the only way you can get the peel off is to make a huge mess and get your fingers sticky as all the juice runs out and it tastes like balls and has ten thousand pips when actually starting eating it

you got vodka in those oranges? :o)

In response to an earlier question, it looks like 8 voters maxed out their ballot and voted for 100 albums; there are a couple more people (maybe 4?) who had a list of 100 albums but included duplicates.

there's always a few ilxors that do that.

some great stuff up tomorrow btw

here is the 250-61 UPDATED SPOTIFY PLAYLIST of what is available.

Poll is proving a great education. Favourite discovery so far is Grant Green's Idle Moments

Hell, favorite discovery for me is Grant Green, period. Only previously heard him on Jimmy Smith and Larry Young records.

do not understand this. To my ears, it is majestic.

― emil.y, miércoles 31 de agosto de 2011 21:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark

I don't hate it! It's great. I just lean towards later Cecil Taylor more. Silent Tongues, One Too Many Salty Swift and Not Goodbye, Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants).

Kind of blue or a love supreme to win then? possibly karma or black saint and sinner lady? Highest fusion lp will be headhunters? All those top 10 anyway. Im betting birds of fire and hot rats to be top 20!! And more sun ra of course.

yeah it's good and well worth hearing but not quite the super session it appears to be

― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

totally disagree w/ this

love supreme is like bottom hundred in quality imo, not even top 5 coltrane

ppl voting for vocal mantras smh

Artist count so far -
Charles Mingus - 5
Grant Green - 5
Archie Shepp - 6
Thelonious Monk - 6
Herbie Hancock - 6
Pharoah Sanders - 7
Sun Ra - 10
John Coltrane - 15 (plus on other albums)
Miles Davis - 21

I've nothing against Miles, but this is kinda ridiculous; it seems pretty much every one of his 50s, 60s, and 70s albums will place in the poll. Can't imagine any other major genre where one artist would eclipse all the others so strongly... Whenever I go to the jazz shelf in a general record store (i.e. one that doesn't specialize in jazz), it looks like half the records on the shelf are various Miles reissues and compilations.

ppl voting for vocal mantras smh

Oh come on, the vocal mantra lasts for maybe a minute, and it's hardly the thing that makes the album great. Sure, A Love Supreme has unnecessarily eclipsed all the other great Coltrane albums, but that happens to a lot of artists (it's the same with Kind of Blue for Miles, Ah Um for Mingus, Time Out for Dave Brubeck, etc). On the other hand, with artists like Coltrane who have such a large and sprawling discography, it might be good a thing there is a canonical album for newbies to start with, especially since it's a great album that exemplifies well what was great about Coltrane. With artists like Sun Ra who've released dozens of albums but none of them is the canonical one, the newbie might be kinda lost at where to start. (This is certainly one reasons I've never really delved into his music.)

"one of the reasons"

60    Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000589UT.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/3G4RWt6cqZDeNumYAZOL8C

this thread has had an inverse effect on my bank account. got the blue note covers book, maiden voyage and money jungle and get paid tomorrow so may have to look for some more.

I'm going to have to buy that blue note covers book aren't i?
Sam do you use spotify?

yuh but i only have an ipod, no iphone, so i have to have seperate mp3s to listen to at work

oh well, jazz on spotify makes an excellent soundtrack for footy manager when you're at home at least.

fo sho but atm the timbo playlist is driving my 'pick a team' page craziness ott. thinking orient. or maybe fiorentina.

Any idea when FM2012 is out?

59    Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/e/elling_duke_fareastsu_102b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/1JQ7TkPUI1x04CCZLpYMzU

lets all thank matt p for his constructive criticism of this poll

One of Ellington's best, surely on the same level as his 40s recordings.

58    Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/b/byrd_donald_offtother_102b.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/37LKWNJ1xP9OlbKwjDYkZi

xp yeah, that's the one that got me out of the 30s-40s for ellington and into his later work.

not sure if i've heard that byrd album tho. is there something about it that distinguishes it from his other early blue notes?

jackie mclean is on it!

Though obviously he's on a few

ha yeah -- i think the early donald byrd blue notes i've heard haven't knocked me out. solid, obviously, but maybe not as strong as, say, lee morgan's stuff from the same period.

but maybe not as strong as, say, lee morgan's stuff from the same period.

yes, but what was??

lee morgan ruled blue note in the early 60s

Certainly came up with a big hit for them.

57    Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2BJFDMx8gL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/03zH4bkGb2jSZAQIVW2px1

never heard of that; any good?

oh yeah

:)

Yes. "The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife Are Some Jive Ass Slippers" is there!

One of Mingus' best, definitely. Fucking cinematic.

shit rocks

apparently it was his favourite album he made

mingus's last great record, probably -- there are some good tunes on the albums that follow, but none of those 70s records are masterpieces. this one seems like a fully formed statement, everything perfectly put together.

56    Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes
http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/b8/80/000c80b8_medium.jpeg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5PzlTnVafjgt5RtjTdIKoC

weird I've never even heard of any of the last four

xp

okay I know that Art Blakey one