lee morgan's "sidewinder" crossed over and sorta kick started the "soul jazz" thing in the early/mid 60s. my understanding is coltrane lost a lot of fans after 'a love supreme'
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
like once it had weaseled its way into being considered "serious"/highbrow it was able to economically coast and reap the benefits of that security without having to sell records.
xp
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
They may have been chosen representatives of serious art by mass media publications.
That's my sense of it (mainly from talking to older family members)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
I guess the economic bar was reset a good bit lower and artists could experiment. xp to shakey
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
the soul/jazz movement is an obvious pop re-crossover attempt - a move back to jazz as dance music, but this time replacing swing with contemporary (at the time) funk and r&b rhythms. (I'm not knocking this stuff, I like a lot of it).
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
ON.E # 1
Very droll.
That's... not one of my Cecil Taylor favorites.
I do not understand this. To my ears, it is majestic.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
obviously people like miles and coltrane were big cultural figures, but a lot of the time they'd be playing these tiny clubs!
My mom grew up outside Chicago, and her older, hipper sister has great stories about sneaking out of the house when she was in high school (would've been I guess around 1960) to go with a friend to jazz clubs in the city. They saw Coletrane a bunch of times, playing in packed little places. Once they took him some chocolate chip cookies, because they read he liked them. He came out between sets to thank them.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
Coltrane, that is.
wow, that's great. obviously a lot of these guys could tour around europe and play big halls, too.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
emil.y that was actually a typo
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
Once they took him some chocolate chip cookies, because they read he liked them. He came out between sets to thank them.
awwww
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
An interesting example of how much critical consensus has shaped our understanding of that era of jazz is that Charles Lloyd was actually one of the most popular, if not the most popular jazz artist of the 60s, yet he has been almost completely excluded from the 60s jazz canon, because his artistic merits weren't considered big enough, and the critics felt he was pandering to the hippie audience.
More discussion on the subject in this thread:
Artists/bands that were once quite popular, yet nowadays are mostly ignored in canonical history books
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
xp - Didn't a bunch of musicians end up spending long periods in Europe because it was they only place they could make any sort of reliable income?
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
they still do!
― i drive a wood paneled station dragon (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
Were these artists profiled in, say, LIFE magazine, the way contemporary visual artists were (esp. thinking of the abstract expressionists)? They may have been chosen representatives of serious art by mass media publications.
Yeah. Here's a Miles write-up from Time, in 1958.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 voteshttp://www.covershut.com/covers/Charlie-Haden-Liberation-Music-Orchestra-1969-Front-Cover-29509.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1LjPCzf3XWmJswuKdoVn3L
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
i voted for this one
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
During the 1970s Lloyd played extensively with The Beach Boys both on their studio recordings and as a member of their touring band. In the late 1970s Lloyd was a member of Celebration, a band composed of members of the Beach Boys' touring band as well as fellow Transcendental Meditation followers Mike Love and Al Jardine. Celebration released two albums.
WHAT THE FUCK
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
European support of chamber music extending to American forms, Americans being too invested in moving they asssss shocka.
― Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
it all comes back to mike love
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Kind of weird seeing that Charlie Haden album up here - it's fun and all but I didn't really consider voting for it.
― dubplates and monster munch (seandalai), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Ha! Very fitting, then. (For those not keeping up, Conquistador! was my number one vote.)
― emil.y, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
my understanding is coltrane lost a lot of fans after 'a love supreme'
Really? IIRC, even in the 60s it was his biggest-selling album. So if he lost a lot of fans because of it, he gained even more new ones.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
i meant the albums AFTER als
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:50 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
Ditto. I'd be hard-pressed to name a single favorite Cecil record, but if the house is on fire, this is the one I'm gonna grab. If I grab two, the other one would be his European Orchestra 2CD Alms/Tiergarten (Spree).
And I really hope this isn't Bill Dixon's only appearance in the poll.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
And i'll bet you didn't think this was going to place..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 voteshttp://29.media.tumblr.com/LT0k0L1O9pwrgwj45RnZsWoso1_500.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5I3aoewqDpP4TglIl9O7su
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
like the duke wasnt gonna come in high..
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
i'm gonna be a jerk and say money jungle is not a peak effort for any of the three participants (ducks)
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's a super classic record, mingus seems determined to make everyone uncomfortable. love hearing duke in a relatively unadorned session. always wondered why the recording quality itself seems a little subpar though.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's good and well worth hearing but not quite the super session it appears to be
― excuse me you're a helluva guy (m coleman), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
ready for the last one tonight?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 voteshttp://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51MDB0AGGHL._SS500_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/50FF5iPeaKU1iy3O5I6Hg9
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
good to see him represented, not forgotten
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
i have 1 & 2 on (reissued) vinyl. bought in late 90s, might be the first i heard actually. Wouldn't say they were my fave tbh. I like them though. not top 100 tho to my ears.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Mark, I guess you never saw this thread
― Hipster Shake Boogie (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
but it seems everyone on ilm has different favourites.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
Um, this thread: Money Jungle C/D?
Was hoping we'd see a few more records by non-Americans, thank god we've at least got representation from the planet Saturn.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
ive lost count but he hasn't got more than miles or coltrane so far (i dont think)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
and he has less in the top 100 so far i think?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
Exactly as it should be imo.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
What year is winning so far?
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
fuck knows
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
MONEY JUNGLE NOT BEING TOP TEN MEANS Y'ALL SUCK
THIS BETTER NOT BE WON BY SOME FUSION BS
Srs though does Machine Gun or anything that wild have a chance? Is this *favourite* records or have *i will vote for that cos its crazy* choices been kicking around?
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
what is wrong with fusion?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
it sucks dick most of the time, is what.
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
hi this is herbie hancock/miles davis and i have given up making good records because look! electronic instruments!
― gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
^^^gauntlet thrown
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
Miles electric period >>>>>>> Miles acoustic period btw