The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (13 years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmm .............

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (13 years ago) Permalink

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (13 years ago) Permalink

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (13 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (13 years ago) Permalink

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (13 years ago) Permalink

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (13 years ago) Permalink

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (13 years ago) Permalink

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (13 years ago) Permalink

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (13 years ago) Permalink

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (13 years ago) Permalink

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (13 years ago) Permalink

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (13 years ago) Permalink

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (13 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

This news makes me very, very happy.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

won't come out on Oct. 21st though. That info was wrong

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (12 years ago) Permalink

When is it out then?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

No official release date..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

I kind of like the guitars in "Pictures of You".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Recently listened to Dark Side of the Moon and then Disintegration back to back. Confirmed what I already knew.
Fuck the Canon and the Keepers it rode in on. The Cure > Pink Floyd.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

Just adding to the calls of "Classic" (up to, and including, Wish, that is).

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (12 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...
Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (12 years ago) Permalink

either way, spill!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

Yes. Now please. Or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (12 years ago) Permalink

Giz it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

Pretty much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ah well, the downsides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Pictures Of You
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (12 years ago) Permalink


Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)


Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (12 years ago) Permalink



teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (12 years ago) Permalink

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).

And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".

The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

I forgive you. Since you're going to help me find someone who recorded the show OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE...

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.

Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

That I had heard, seems to make sense! They and Depeche should just finally tour together. ;-)

In all seriousness, thanks for any leads you might have!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:33 (12 years ago) Permalink

Where's a good place to go to get the skinny on the order and track listing of the reissues? I just got Join the Dots and I'm liking it a lot. It's time.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:39 (12 years ago) Permalink

I've been searching around but as yet no specs seem to be public.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

That was badly worded... is the order the albums are going to be re-released in public knowledge?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:06 (12 years ago) Permalink

The only other soundalike besides 'in between days' IMO is 'just like heaven' which is practically a Robyn Hitchcock n' the Egyptians impersonation

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 8 January 2016 20:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

This isn't far off, but Pornography has a sort of nightmarishly psychedelic vibe that's unlike anything Joy Divison ever did.

― mozart, Friday, January 8, 2016 7:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Atrocity Exhibition" is missing the thunder and bombast that runs throughout all the songs on Pornography

― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Friday, January 8, 2016 7:29 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well yeah, this is kinda what I was referring to with the "recorded with all the levels in the red" thing. Hannett's production on 'Atrocity Exhibition', as great as it is, sounds quite thin by comparison, but you can see where it all came from: the "tribal" drumming, the squalling guitars, the emphasis on the bass.

Turrican, Friday, 8 January 2016 20:13 (3 months ago) Permalink

The tribal percussion stuff extends even into the pop era, because Boris sure uses his toms a lot.

I guess in the barely punk era they do have a lot in common with other angular post punk bands. But the Cure drops that pretty quickly I think. Helps that Bob is such a different kind of singer, and that the band always had a weird knack for melody to go along with the minimalism.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 January 2016 20:48 (3 months ago) Permalink

By the time of Seventeen Seconds and Faith, Smith definitely had absorbed more than his fair share of Joy Division and Siouxsie & The Banshees records. John McGeogh was a definite influence on Smith's playing, particularly his work with the Banshees. Also, the "usual" influences such as Bowie - the number of times I've been listening to music on shuffle and confused the intro of 'Soul Love' with 'The Drowning Man' and vice versa is staggering.

Pre-Three Imaginary Boys Cure (The Easy Cure) were playing Status Quo and Thin Lizzy covers.

Turrican, Friday, 8 January 2016 21:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

They had influences, for sure, but I don't really hear them.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 January 2016 21:44 (3 months ago) Permalink


big Mahats (mattresslessness), Saturday, 9 January 2016 05:40 (3 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

So where's this fucking album, Robert?

But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Thursday, 5 May 2016 18:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

Sorry for being a lazy bastard and not reading thru all this thread, but... The last Cure album I bought was Disintegration. Back in 1989 #ifeelold

My tangential knowledge of their catalogue since then suggests it hasn't been great. But now and again I go back to the Cure and think I may be missing out. Is there a post-Disintegration album I really, really, *really* have to own?

Duke, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:00 (Yesterday) Permalink


Austin, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:05 (Yesterday) Permalink

Bloodflowers is alright, but I'm not sure I would call it essential.

But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:07 (Yesterday) Permalink

Bloodflowers is my least favourite, it's difficult to rank the later albums because they're mostly patchy. Get the Join The Dots compilation or The Glove side project if you don't have them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:13 (Yesterday) Permalink

Thanks for answering. I have Join The Dots, which is great on the whole - but the later stuff isn't so inspiring.

My prejudice tells me that Bloodflowers is awful, for some reason. Maybe the cover. I've never dared to listen to it, but maybe I should.

The Glove seems a great recommendation - thanks.

Duke, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

-Wish is quite frustrating because it's overall a really nice sounding album, 4 totally brilliant songs but the rest just bore me. It's probably the album I'd be most reluctant to listen to as a whole.
-Wild Mood Swings is good but spoiled by a third of the album.
-Bloodflowers is heavier and really dense and deserves credit for trying something really different, it seems like an interesting direction they could have kept going in but I just don't enjoy much of the songs.
-The Cure exists in a few different track listings. It can be a slog but I still think there's some great stuff in there.
-4:13 Dream is the most consistent of these, one of their most accessible albums ever but it doesn't have the heights of most of their albums. But I think it's fun.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:49 (Yesterday) Permalink

The Cure was the highest placed (#12) post-Disintegration album in the poll I ran a few years ago. Bloodflowers was #14, Wild Mood Swings was #16.

nate woolls, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:58 (Yesterday) Permalink

I am in that camp which adores Wish but then I was 17 when it came out and would have adored anything they put out

always be charging (rip van wanko), Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:16 (Yesterday) Permalink

Actually Wish was #8, missed that one.

nate woolls, Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:18 (Yesterday) Permalink

Bloodflowers is really slow; I will concede that. It's essentially a rehash of the second half of Disintegration, but everything is really refined.

Yes, the cover art is terrible.

Austin, Friday, 6 May 2016 00:07 (12 hours ago) Permalink

i guess people didn't like my Cure thread bump from yesterday.

Bee OK, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:00 (12 hours ago) Permalink

anyways, Bloodflowers live is pretty amazing. a bunch of those songs are really good but yeah not an album i go back to often.

Bee OK, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:01 (12 hours ago) Permalink

I think Wish is one of the band's best records, I'll often reach for that over Disintegration which I find a bit of a slog.

I think everything post-Wish is very patchy with WMS and the self-titled album having the highest high points.

Birds in Hell, Friday, 6 May 2016 08:15 (4 hours ago) Permalink

here's a short* playlist of post-disintegration stuff i reckon is good

From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
Doing The Unstuck
Watching Me Fall
The Promise

*it's like an hour long lol - basically they became p crap at short, punchy songs, but they gained a weird knack for overwrought epics that actually work, imo jusslike

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Friday, 6 May 2016 09:00 (4 hours ago) Permalink

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