The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (13 years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmm .............

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (13 years ago) Permalink

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (13 years ago) Permalink

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (13 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (13 years ago) Permalink

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (13 years ago) Permalink

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (13 years ago) Permalink

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (13 years ago) Permalink

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (13 years ago) Permalink

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (13 years ago) Permalink

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (13 years ago) Permalink

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (13 years ago) Permalink

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (13 years ago) Permalink

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (13 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

This news makes me very, very happy.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

won't come out on Oct. 21st though. That info was wrong

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (12 years ago) Permalink

When is it out then?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

No official release date..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

I kind of like the guitars in "Pictures of You".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Recently listened to Dark Side of the Moon and then Disintegration back to back. Confirmed what I already knew.
Fuck the Canon and the Keepers it rode in on. The Cure > Pink Floyd.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

Just adding to the calls of "Classic" (up to, and including, Wish, that is).

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (12 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...
Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (12 years ago) Permalink

either way, spill!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

Yes. Now please. Or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (12 years ago) Permalink

Giz it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

Pretty much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ah well, the downsides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Pictures Of You
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (12 years ago) Permalink


Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)


Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (12 years ago) Permalink



teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (12 years ago) Permalink

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).

And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".

The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

I forgive you. Since you're going to help me find someone who recorded the show OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE...

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.

Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

That I had heard, seems to make sense! They and Depeche should just finally tour together. ;-)

In all seriousness, thanks for any leads you might have!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:33 (12 years ago) Permalink

Where's a good place to go to get the skinny on the order and track listing of the reissues? I just got Join the Dots and I'm liking it a lot. It's time.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:39 (12 years ago) Permalink

I've been searching around but as yet no specs seem to be public.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

That was badly worded... is the order the albums are going to be re-released in public knowledge?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:06 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't blame you for the rant, that sounds terrible.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 18:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

Sorry Bronto, that really sounds like a horrible experience!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 18:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

The idea of someone taking selfies during 'One Hundred Years' is just WTF.

Turrican, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 18:59 (Yesterday) Permalink

"Something small falls out of your mouth and we take a selfie of it."

Austin, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:29 (Yesterday) Permalink

"It doesn't matter if we all die lol!" #thecure2k16 #happy #goth #partay

Turrican, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:31 (Yesterday) Permalink

Man, I'm reading #3 and after each sentence I'm dying a little more inside/getting a little more angry. Condolences.

Double Nickels on the Pecunidigm (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:30 (Yesterday) Permalink

The secret to attending a big, inconvenient show is to take joy in other people's joy. It's hard to do when you're feeling grumpy or anxious, but for me seeing a chatty superfan freak out when they play his favorite song is kind of endearing and part of the experience (even if it's objectively obnoxious).

I know, easier said than done. But I always enjoy myself more when I surrender myself to the reality that concerts aren't going to be an ideal experience for me and focus instead on the shared experience.

Evan R, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:52 (Yesterday) Permalink

Also lol at Austin and Turrican's posts

Evan R, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:53 (Yesterday) Permalink

I've had an unexpected "Disintegration" phase recently, to the point that I found myself reading the comments beneath a review of the Cure that dared criticise the length of their concerts. Anyway, I'd want to sit down for some - if not all - of a three hour concert.

djh, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

thanks everybody. I still feel bad about getting angry and distracting myself from enjoying the show, but it felt good to vent and have people voice support.

the selfie/pictures/video thing is the kind of thing that I really have to just let go. this seems to be how modern day concerts seem to work, so I am just going to have to be a little less oldmangetoffmylawn in the future.

i love people freaking out! song starts, omg omg scream, woo! but at some point, i dunno, listen to the fucking song. singing is cool too! release! communal release! its the best part of going to a show! chatting with your friends like you are in the back of a bar where some local band happens to be playing for three hours kinda sucks for everyone else around you.

i am thinking next time i'll just chat everyone up around me a little bit before the show starts, so if I do feel like I need to ask them to talk a little less, or talk a bit quieter we'll have some sort of rapport before hand.

The Cure! Robert's voice really did sound quite good. Hot!Hot!Hot! sounded really nice and funky, and I've never been super into that song. Same goes for Fascination Street, it made more sense to me live than it ever did on record.

brontosaur, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:01 (Yesterday) Permalink

Did Robert make the little cat paw gestures during "Lovecats"? I love when he does that

Evan R, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

No, Lovecats for me. he did some sorta wiggly arm shuffle dance thing every once and while.

brontosaur, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:07 (Yesterday) Permalink

Brontosaur- was anyone else around you annoyed?

I generally don't like massive concerts, I tend to remember the assholes and the discomfort more than the music. Singalongs rarely enhance the experience for me. Don't miss those type of gigs one bit.

The Cure might be the only remaining band I'd go to a huge concert for but I doubt they'll come to Scotland.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:35 (Yesterday) Permalink

My girlfriend mentioned that the fella sitting immediately next to her gave her a little smile when she turned around to ask them to be quiet. but the people in front of me seemed fairly oblivious, and the people to my right were also chatting throughout. I dunno man. Like I said, I have no doubts that I am overly sensitive to this kind of thing. My girlfriend less so but they were literally sitting right behind us. A big part of my job (production sound mixer) has me basically listening to signal (people talking) and noise (anything else) and determining when the noise overtakes the signal to such a degree that we should stop rolling. Spending my time doing this has made these situations kind of maddening sometimes, so I tend to try to let things go as best I can. It obviously didn't work out last night.

brontosaur, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 22:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

Did Robert make the little cat paw gestures during "Lovecats"? I love when he does that

yes he did. the song was a lot of fun.

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 May 2016 00:37 (13 hours ago) Permalink

sorry to hear about this brontosaur, i had a very difference experience Sunday Night. everyone was so happy and friendly in my cheap seats. i thought it was one of the best large crowds i have seen. most of them were also drunk, lol.

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 May 2016 00:39 (13 hours ago) Permalink

One Hundred Years from Sunday Night:

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 May 2016 01:59 (12 hours ago) Permalink

how great is this song? i think it is, brand new Cure:

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 May 2016 02:37 (11 hours ago) Permalink

Wow, sounds really good!

And Rob looking in good health, too! Like he's maybe dropped some weight.

Austin, Thursday, 26 May 2016 03:27 (11 hours ago) Permalink

He slimmed down a couple of years back -- was looking extremely good on the Reflections tour and I think has generally maintained that since.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 May 2016 04:24 (10 hours ago) Permalink

I will never tire of Simon's Prancercize moves as he plays

DJP, Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:19 (12 minutes ago) Permalink

I've noticed a lot fewer phones out during club or theatre shows, smaller things, but it's as bad as ever in arenas and larger venues, to the extent that bands like Coldplay or Taylor Swift encourage people to wave them around, which looks pretty cool, actually, and saves them some light show budget. But yeah, watching a show with your own eyes but also through several screens capturing the exact same thing you're watching, but smaller, is really distracting, and it's a lot of effort - probably impossible - to train your gaze to ignore them.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:22 (9 minutes ago) Permalink

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