Whoa. And here I've been reading the Village Voice all these years, thinking "where do they come up with this stuff? Are they on drugs?"
― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 6 February 2005 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link
Meanwhile, back in the rest of the world, we kick the ball over the fence and then get pleasantly surprised when next door's cabbage patch grows pretty flowers. There is no conspiracy.
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 6 February 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link
this is such a weak comparison imo. me not caring about Anticon has nothing to with what rules they do or do not break, trust me Mr. Rupture.
― eman (eman), Sunday, 6 February 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link
WOW!!! That's me... except for the well-paying day job... and the honor... and the voting... and the savings............
do critics really not buy a lot of CDs? Enlighten me. This is a serious questions. I'm naive here, people.
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 6 February 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Can't speak for anyone else, but this critic buys a lot of CDs. And vinyl. I'm not the promosexual I used to be. And even then, I was spending loads on music. But I was DJing more then, too.
― Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 6 February 2005 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Here's a stock response to anyone who criticizes how the music media work. If there's a conspiracy being outlined above, I missed that, too...
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 6 February 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 6 February 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link
This is seriously fucked up: http://www.negrophonic.com/2009/charles-holgate-and-the-publicity-game/
― Matos W.K., Monday, 19 January 2009 10:56 (fifteen years ago) link
thats pretty shady, ive always heard Zzzonked were one of the few clued up music publicists working out of london. Thats said, a brief stint in music PR was one of the grimmest things i've ever done. I'd been involved with running some long term successful events but 90% of the time i was being hassled by my boss who knew shit all about music to try and punt out albums to mags/websites which would have no interest. It was genuinely embarrassing, the whole industry is ran by clueless public school kids who can afford to spend a year as an intern and start on 12k simply because it'll impress folks back in the shires
― straightola, Monday, 19 January 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I didn't know that dude was an MC - I got a mailout from him about FWD>> the other day which was written in, uh, grime MC parlance, which I found slightly odd and uncharacteristic at the time
― Pescetarian Reich (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 January 2009 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Also I 'unno who Beccy Lindon is but she sounds like a douche and/or someone who can't read properly
― Pescetarian Reich (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 January 2009 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link
nomad doesnt strike me as a public school boy based on what ive heard of his show with plastician but that rupture blog entry was v interesting. wonder what happened.
― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Comments are closed.
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
not only that, article has been removed.
― mark e, Monday, 19 January 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
probably for the best. even if it's all true, i don't think it looks that professional to post it publicly like that (although i guess it got the desired result).
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 19 January 2009 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
So what was the deal with this?
― Alex in SF, Monday, 19 January 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Can someone post the original article here?
I missed it on the blog.
― ilxor, Monday, 19 January 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
musician/publicist beef
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Monday, 19 January 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
here's a google cache, up for a little while.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 January 2009 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
basically he got money and a couple of hundred promo CDs from the label that put out rupture's recent mix CD. then he didn't return calls or emails for six months, and when they finally got a hold of him he couldn't explain the promo work he'd done or where the CDs had gone. rupture's blaming him for not getting the mix CD into any magazines, shops or online review sources.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 January 2009 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
more curious about the comments box, personally.
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 January 2009 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
(although i guess it got the desired result).
It probably got a threatening cease-and-desist letter. It was a facsinating post, tho.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 19 January 2009 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link
not that i want to be the guy sticking up for publicists on the thread but--theres two sides to every story, and based on my experience/understanding disagreements like this are fairly common in the industry
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Monday, 19 January 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
here's what's up now:
CHARLES HOLGATE AND THE PUBLICITY GAME
EDIT: I just had a long, slightly surreal phone conversation with Charles Holgate, the original topic of this post. Charles requested that I take down this blog entry & associated comments and wait until the end of the month, by which time my core concerns should have been resolved. I’m happy to oblige and hope everything works out.
Thanks and sincere apologies to the commentors - should this discussion re-open, your comments will be intact. I feel awkward truncating an open discussion, I never delete comments on here; in the years of Mudd Up! this is the only time a post has been put on pause.
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 19 January 2009 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link
this just sounds like a case of a very busy/lazy (delete as appropriate) press officer failing to really get on the job then going awol cos he knew he fucked up.
― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 19 January 2009 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
the good news is that by checking dj rupture's blog i found this great south african bleep'n'rap mixtape
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link
or pr has sent to wrong sites/mags, only for the mixtape to be met by a 'meh!'
― mark e, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
and no follow up calls, no re-mailing out, no follow up emails, not even a report made up of fake feedback to send to the record label! what sort of pr dyou call that? ;)
― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 19 January 2009 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link
viral stealth PR campaign
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
i deal with many a pr who never chase me up.they're the best.
― mark e, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
lol
Guest List: Best of 2008Guest List by Pitchfork
DJ/rupture1. Various Artists: Gaza Lords Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 (compiled by Mode Raw)New eerie synthed-up reggae, lots of Stephen "Di Genius" production, plus all these amazing singjays. Hot. And very useful now that Jamaican vinyl production fell off practically overnight. You can hear Mavado's huge influence in the younger generation of MCs who bend otherworldly melodies into gangsta-sufferation lyrics. Long live hood synthetics! Tunes by B.o.B and Boy Better Know push this international.
2. Paavoharju: Laulu Laakson KukistaForget High Places and other neo-hippie loopers; this is the real deal, goth like the Brothers Quay, with incredible nonlinear post-production. Uncanny religious or pseudo-religious Finnish digital-handmade weirdness. Very romantic. Sounds the way memory feels.
3. Maga Bo: ArchipelagoesLow-end whooomp from Rio's finest via African collabs. Hiphop, ragga, taarab, bass.
4. Various Artists: Urban Rai 200837 recent rai hits? With a bunch of Maghrebi rap and R&B for good measure?! Yes please. Usually when I buy this music in Paris I'm looking for less popular stuff, and the Arab girls make fun of me.
5. Balla et Ses Balladins: The Syliphone YearsGorgeous 70s guitar music from post-independence Guinea. You've had 30 years-- don't sleep now.
6. Squincy Jones: NintendubLast summer Neil Landstrum and I were playing at this insane rural festival in Ireland where our tent's manager-person had lost the power of speech and was last seen wandering away with a vodka bottle and a distant look. Anyhow Neil said something like, "Dubstep? I call it snoozestep!" The further you go from London the less respect yoou have for "dubstep." The best is when we slap American rap on top, preferably singsong chants or shouting from the dirty South. Crunkstep! Says Squincy of his free mix: "I'm very proud of it. It combines three of the raddest things to ever happen to music: Dubstep, 8bit Nintendo Loops, Rap."
7. Toumani Diabate: The Mande VariationsMr. Diabate was responsible for the most incredible concert performance I saw all year. He also wins the "Best Dressed Performer of the Year Award", brother looked downright royal in his celestial blue fly-traditional Malian robes.
8. Various Artists: Give Me Love: Songs of the Broken Hearted, Baghdad 1925-29This was a good year for what I call "scratchy old stuff"-- CD compilations of 78s. This one sounds lovely, and the curatorial focus is on-point. In a short time a city can swing from open to closed, from something fluid and made of multiples to occupied, divided, entrenched. What awaits us?
― wkiwpedia (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 19 January 2009 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
#4 My fourth problem with top 10s is my lack of a problem. People ask me to write Top 10 lists, I oblige.
― Milton Parker, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh. I rescind my LOL.
― wkiwpedia (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 19 January 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
he should work on making lists that aren't tl;dr
stop posting
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I read it
xpost
― Milton Parker, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link
whiney did you actually laugh out loud when you saw that he had written a top 10 list
― s1ocki, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
whiney I did post on your link to your 'best of 2008' post and I got a list of 150 records from a single year with absolutely no further information about them, that is far better an example of -too long didn't read- then Rupture's concise & enthusiastic top 8 list
as for the PR guy the only excuse I can imagine is some kind of illness and as someone who's seen PR rates for independent releases increase at the same rate that sales decline, I appreciate his 'unprofessional' post
― Milton Parker, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link
no, that's what "actual lol" is for
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 19 January 2009 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought that's what ol was for
― s1ocki, Monday, 19 January 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
"more curious about the comments box, personally."
Me too. Sounds like this got out of control fast.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 17:41 (fifteen years ago) link
whiney, i don't get it, what's funny about rupture's list?
and really? blurbs of a sentence or two have achieved TLDR status?
― pshrbrn, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
what happened? i'm confused.
― He grew in Pussyville. Population: him. (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
also, the post is back up on jace's blog.and we have beccy lindon to thank for "grindie": http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/grindie-music-what-happens-when-indie-and-grime-collide-442277.html
― pshrbrn, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks a lot Beccy. You're the best!
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks beccy
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
So is Uproot totally unheard in the UK? It seems like it has done pretty well here in the states (or at least in SF and on the web).
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
bang-up job beccy
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
whiney, i don't get it, what's funny about rupture's list?and really? blurbs of a sentence or two have achieved TLDR status?― pshrbrn, Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― pshrbrn, Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
It was funny to me because I thought the initial post was like a diatribe against boring artist top 10 lists and then he goes and does a boring artist top 10 list.
But I was wrong. Milton Parker pointed out to me that I just misread the initial post. And, btw "misread" is really "didn't really read"
I took back my LOL like two posts down.
― poxyfuzak (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
What's boring about the list?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
one thing that's changed since rupture's original statement is that it's a lot easier for the likes of me to listen to a lot more albums (and if it wasn't for this i would probably not have maintained half the interest i do in EOY lists and album-centric criticism generally).
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I think rupture was more interesting when pop actually reflected somewhat aspects of his aesthetic - "get ur freak on", "oochie wally" etc - this acted as the pop flavor to his sets without being all underscored "look, cheesy pop music!"
the replacement of that stuff by dubstep in the stitching together role reduces not just the recognition quotient but also the colour and, I think, the thematic intensity, though I did quite like Uprooted or whatever it was called.
― Tim F, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked hearing him drop a track from the new Gil Scott Heron album when I saw him
― o tannenbaum, o judge (crüt), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't his last album come out earlier this year -- Solar Life Raft? i'll find a spot for that at year's end, it's really good!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― o tannenbaum, o judge (crüt), Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:36 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thats cool but w/ his asethetic id rather he drop like 'the bottle' or something ... production on the new one is too close to his stuff as is
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Solar Life Raft is from earlier in the year. It's kind of Uproot Jr, I guess, but pretty much inferior in every way.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, you're mean
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, I generally really like /rupture and his mixes, but that one struck me as being filled with pretty ho hum tracks.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/44101-new-release-nettle-el-resplandor-the-shining-in-dubai/
Interesting concept. On Sub Rosa!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 24 September 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
nice
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Saturday, 24 September 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
Nicely sharing all of his major (minus the 58.46 one) mixes from 2001-2012:
http://www.negrophonic.com/dj-rupture-mixes-free-download/
This stuff still sounds fresh to my ears after all these years.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
haha i was like 'oh jeez do we seriously have to talk about his stupid meta list EVERY december?'
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
Hahaha this was the /rupture thread with the most recent posts so I just used it. Sorry.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
s'cool
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
sick
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
genuinely the most teeth rattling bass i've ever experienced was Rupture at Primavera a few years back. I was way too hungover to deal with it. Remember he played some Four Tops remix that was very sick
― Number None, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
I think his remarks could withstand some more discussion. I don't see anyone saying it in this thread but I'm sure it's been said here before, if not by me then someone else. The LP is a format designed primarily for marketing purposes. It is a way to tack on extra value to a collection of singles, basically. It's also very limited by physical constraints.
Sure some artists manage to break out of the limitations of this format but increasingly few, I'd say 99.9% of albums contain a significant amount of filler. I guess I do have an issue with ADD because I find it really hard to take anymore. I'd rather hear 10 original songs with unique perspectives from 10 artists than 10 songs by 1 artist, with 8 of them being a watered-down rehash of the original concept. I've listened to a total of maybe 2 albums this year honestly. One would probably get some love from fans of /rupture -- Romanian Dan Habarnam's uniquely heavy and cosmic take on minimalist bass music, released on dBridge's exit records. And of course the other one was Jiaolong.
So...any recommendations on top mixes to check out from what /rupture is offering? Thanks for putting those up.
― viborg, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 12:24 (eleven years ago) link
Gold Teeth Thief and Uproot are the "famous" ones. I like Minesweeper Suite and Porque Soy Sonidero Y Voy A Muchos Lugares a lot too.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
...in honour of the original post, we should probably rank all the mixes...
― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
Gold Teeth Thief was pretty formative for me, and later on I listened to Uproot & Solar Life Raft a bunch when they came out. Change the Mood is a dope 2012 club set, and has the most personal association for me (there's a great remix of one of my tracks on there for one). Looking forward to going through some of the ones I've missed.
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Friday, 21 December 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
Alright in order of personal preference:
Gold Teeth ThiefPorque Soy Sonidero Y Voy A Muchos LugaresMinesweeper Suite58.46 Mix (not available on the site because apparently Jace doesn't love it)Uproot2004 Post-Election Mix (also not on the site)Low Income TomorrowlandBidoun Sessions (Mutamussik mix on same CD just below Minesweeper Suite for me though)Secret Google Cheat CodesCumbia Mix for BBC1Solar Life Raft
Everything up to Secret Google Cheat Codes is excellent and got quite a bit of play. The 2011-12 mixes I don't much recall. I have some other things of his (a great hour long set from Maida Vale from 2002, a 90 minute one for Resonance FM from 2004, a live set from 2005 I think, 3 hours of ambient mixes he did for a WFMU giveaway) that are all worthwhile as while. And his WFMU radio show (despite me no longer having the time/energy to listen much to it) is generally great too.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 22 December 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
#6 Problem number six: why start & stop at music? I want to see anybody's Top 10 Scary Pieces of Legislation Passed in 2004. Or the Top 10 Non-imaginary Threats to Healthy Democracies in 2004.
Lol
― TheFatSJW (D-40), Thursday, 1 October 2015 05:20 (eight years ago) link