Judas Priest vs. Metallica

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Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

One feels they can't come up with hooks like Priest because they are worried about sounding 'gay'. My take on this is that metal that itsn't gay is not true metal.

I agree up to a point. Perhaps it's possible to have [true] metal that isn't in fact "gay." However, I think you totally have to risk sounding "gay" to do anything that could be considered "genius."

And Priest, at their best moments, are fucking genius.

Now c'mon somebody bring up Budgie so I can talk about how fucking genius they are!

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 23:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I must get some more NWOBHM.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 23:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

7 years pass...

So I'd read about the Priest-obsessed kids who killed themselves, but I didn't learn until last night that one of them lived for years after having blown his face off. Blarrrgghghghghgh

Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I read a chapter on it in The Gift of Fear and it was truly stomach-turning.

Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Thank you, abbott. i just googled that and found a video interview of him. god, it's nightmarish and indeed stomach churning.

i will show you fear in a handful of nuts (how's life), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hellhamster 2: Hamster Smashed Face (J3ff T.), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh man I daren't look it up, I'm imagining that one Crispin Glover book cover with the jawless man (which is revolting). The guy who wrote The Gift of Fear (v v good book btw) encountered so many awful people, but it wounds like meeting this kid in person made him saddest/was hardest to talk to. It was the only time he mentioned regretting a choice to meet or talk to a violent person.

Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Thursday, 10 May 2012 00:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

i remember seeing a clip of him years and years ago

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 10 May 2012 00:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

In my list, I've got 2 Metallica albums in my top four, but five Priest albums in my top 30, so Priest wins. And Slayer also beats out Metallica. It's easy to forget, but Metallica were still kind of a cult band until the 1991 album. I'd like to see the first week sales figures of And Justice For All. I remember buying it in college and no one else caring about it.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Looks like And Justice reached #6 on Billboard and was platinum within 9 weeks, so I was wrong about that. Master Of Puppets was much more of a slow burner, as it was release on March 3 1986, and wasn't certified gold until November 4, peaking at #29 on Billboard.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 10 May 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pre-Soundscan Billboard charts were kinda wacky (esp. for non-"pop" stuff) so I'm not sure those Metallica numbers are entirely reflective. Definitely up to and including the Black Album each successive Metallica album was a bigger and bigger pop deal, but I'd say certainly by Master they had ceased to be a cult act.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 May 2012 13:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess it depends on how we define "cult band". my recollection is that metallica were still very much a cultish niche act circa master. on release, it sold well to the large and loyal diehard metalhead crowd, but metallica's name was barely starting to spread beyond that.

based on what i saw at the time, justice was a huge street-date breakthrough. most of my college friends went nuts for it instantly. it went head-to-head with straight outta compton for jambox supremacy that late summer & fall. nevertheless, the appeal was still limited to an audience of beer & weed-sodden "rockers" and "partyers" (among whom masters and garage days had been building steam over the two years prior).

real pop-star-type visibility and mainstream/radio success had to wait on the self-titled.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:33 (1 year ago) Permalink


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