Do you believe Paul Simon when, in "Late in the Evening", he describes how he returns to the club after smoking a "J" and proceeds to turn up his amp and "[blow] that room away"?

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what rhymes with 'joint'?
"turned up my amp, and with mighty rocking i did that room anoint"...
"turned up my amp, and my blistering fretwork was truly on point"...

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a bit on the 'live at central park' dvd where he gets the crowd to give it up for all the guys giving money to charity from the selling of 'loose joints' and there's a rapturous applause.
he's the real deal! and i saw him blow a tent away at a one-off Liverpool gig in 2003.

so there.

piscesboy, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, paul simon rules.

does he do the picking on his first solo record? i always presumed he hired someone to do all that blues picking.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"turned up my amp, and with mighty rocking i did that room anoint"...
Since anointing means dousing in expensive oils, this sentence conjures some interesting imagery.

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 28 July 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
and the verse in question refers to being "underage in a smoky bar,"

I've gone my whole life thinking it was "underage in this funky bar," and I'm sticking to it. So long as he's pretending he blew the room away, let's go ahead and say he's the sort to refer to a seemingly offbeat or countercultural happening as "funky." But... amateurist is right - the song is DEFINITELY in character as Jonah, although I'm sure Simon had fun indulging in the character. I think it's safe to say that if he were seriously going for autobiography here the whole thing would be structured differently; you'd get him with Art, having learned not to "play some lead guitar" but to harmonize, etc.

Can anyone who's seen One-Trick Pony comment on the role of the song in the film? I have it in my head that he's a washed-up folkie and that "Late In The Evening" is his big, slickly-produced comeback single...in which case a self-congratulatory, cred-hyping reference to his past room-blowing is a dead-on bit of pastiche. Simon OTM.

does he do the picking on his first solo record? i always presumed he hired someone to do all that blues picking.

Liner notes suggest he deserves at least some credit - he's sole guitarist on "Duncan," "Everything Put Together Falls Apart," "Peace Like a River," "Papa Hobo," "Hobo's Blues," and "Congratulations." None of those feature any of the really elaborate "it's bluesy!" stuff - although "Duncan"'s playing is certainly lovely enough for the song, as usual. All the rest of the songs have at least one additional guitarist. Of course, that's not to say that he couldn't blow a room away - but it would be hard to expect him to be executing all that finger-pickin' stuff and simultaneously rambling out his heartfelt rhymes.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 19 May 2006 07:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Incidentally, I put on One-Trick Pony, the album, last night for the first time since the day I bought it ages ago, and I have to say that I think it's going to take Hearts and Bones's place as the underrated Paul Simon album everybody needs to run out and get, now that Hearts and Bones is the once-underrated album that everybody ran out and got, leaving it consistently overrated. Not intended to knock either of them - just that OTP is just as much of an overlooked grower, and "Late In The Evening" aside was hardly a success at the time. There are some dud sections (as on H&B), but "Oh Marion" and "God Bless The Absentee" are better than anything but the singles on Still Crazy and Rhymin' Simon, and the album as a whole works surprisingly well as just good evening music with a tired-man-on-the-road theme that doesn't grate nearly as much as it does coming from your classic rock types. (Incidentally, when is a hip-hopper going to get around to landing a huge crossover success with one of those tour ballads?)

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 19 May 2006 07:36 (seventeen years ago) link

haha CASINO!!!!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 19 May 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I always read it as "I came back in, exhaled, and wasn't bothered"

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Paul should hire grout to doctor his lyrics

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 19 May 2006 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm...Some quasi-nasty two-year old remarks of mine upthread, that I can't account for at all - I've always kinda liked "Late In The Evening". (Even bought On My Way, Don't Know Where I'm Goin' shortly thereafter; or shortly before.) Must've been in a bad mood, or suffering through a heatwave or something.

Myonga Von Bronté, Friday, 19 May 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Musical comparisons with One Trick Pony seem apt, cos my (ancient) impression of that, and of the first featured tracks from new album are: glossy sauce on the same ol Simon, pretty much for fans only. Although, if somebody else ever sings any of that, who knows. (I really liked Willie Nelson's versions of "Graceland" and "Amercian Tune," and Simon and George Harrison duets on a very ancient Saturday Night Live, but he'll never risk another ongoing singing partner, who might get Artie on him)But yeah, Lou Reed was really funny in the movie, and Joan Hackett was gorgeous naked!

don, Friday, 19 May 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

It's been a long time since I saw the movie, but in what way is the Jonah whatsisname character not Paul Simon?
this Paul Simon lyric reminds me of a (Rolling Stone?) interview with billy joel where he was lamenting about his image of being a prissy piano player who writes limp-wristed pop songs, and he rebutted it by saying, "I... don't have a soft cock... I have a hard cock."

punis (punis), Friday, 19 May 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I put on One-Trick Pony, the album, last night for the first time since the day I bought it ages ago, and I have to say that I think it's going to take Hearts and Bones's place as the underrated Paul Simon album everybody needs to run out and get, now that Hearts and Bones is the once-underrated album that everybody ran out and got, leaving it consistently overrated

About time.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 19 May 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

lol, this thread almost rivals

dell, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link

dell, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link

wtf bbcode?

dell, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link

hold on...

dell, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link

the thread going by this title, "Did you really feel "welcomed" to the jungle by axl rose, or do you think that was sort of just insincere, halfhearted graciousness?"

sorry, can't be arsed struggling w/bbcode weirdness

dell, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:29 (sixteen years ago) link

song "oh marion" from this album is A+

deej, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link

the verse in question refers to being "underage in a smoky bar," so if it's supposed to be Simon's personal memory that puts it somewhere around, say, 1962 (NY had an 18 drinking age then), which means that it wouldn't have taken Yngwie Malmstein to blow anyone away.

Exactamundo. "Hey, dig that stoned teenager with the riffs, man. I'll give it up. (clap clap clap). OK, who's break is it?"

Bobbi Peru, Sunday, 20 January 2008 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Woah - I totally opened and read this thread this morning before it was revived.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 20 January 2008 03:20 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Actually, the line that's suspect is
"The first thing I remember, I was lying in my bed
I couldntve been no more than one or two
"
It would be very unusual for someone to clearly recall events from so young an age. Also, why's he always talking about his Mom in every song?

Bobbi Peru, Friday, 22 February 2008 06:39 (sixteen years ago) link

i bet paul gets down when he gets high. i dont know who you guys need to doubt the man. that song rules.

pipecock, Friday, 22 February 2008 06:54 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost My earliest memory is much like that one. I was in my parents bed, my mum asleep and breathing on me through her nose. So I grabbed the tip of her nose and she flinched and moved. I couln't turn myself over. So, I'd be around 6 months old.

Mark G, Friday, 22 February 2008 09:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I bet she laughed the way some ladies do.

Bobbi Peru, Friday, 22 February 2008 09:33 (sixteen years ago) link

My earliest memory is smoking a J.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 22 February 2008 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I think she would have been cross.

Mark G, Friday, 22 February 2008 09:36 (sixteen years ago) link

wow lou reed is one trick pony?? really?!

pisces, Friday, 22 February 2008 10:50 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, sing/talking. That's it.

Mark G, Friday, 22 February 2008 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Do you believe Paul "Al" Simon when he says he knows someone named Betty who, when she calls him, calls him a name other than "Paul?"

mike a, Friday, 22 February 2008 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Paul: "Betty!"
Peggy: "Paul?"

Mark G, Friday, 22 February 2008 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link

He & his then wife Peggy threw a party and the famous conductor Pierre Boulez attended. As Boulez left he turned to Simon and remarked "Great party Al! Say hello to Betty".

It seems odd that he wrote this song, or at least recorded it, some years after he was divorced from Peggy and was remarried.

Mark G, Friday, 22 February 2008 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

As to the thread topic, I believe him. It's a question of perspective. Maybe Paul doesn't blow rooms in the same manner as you and I.

contenderizer, Friday, 22 February 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link

>The first thing I remember, I was lying in my bed
I couldntve been no more than one or two"

isn't it "IT couldn't have been no more than one or two", IE, in the morning?

BATTAGS, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link

this song is great

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 22 February 2008 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I remember hearing "Late In The Evening" as a child and thinking the "smoked myself a J" line was quite risque. The local radio station caught on, too, because the next time I head it, the second verse was edited to "...I was underage in this smoky bar and I turned my amp up loud and I began to play!" Which is kind of the radio version of "flip you, melonfarmer."

mike a, Friday, 22 February 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I really like the Paul Simon songs that cover years of memories and information, like this one and, more recently, "Darling Lorraine" and "Old". This one has a great structure: his very first memory; his first memory of playing successfully in front of other people; his memory of falling in love, all centered on the music that was playing in the background at the time.

Eazy, Friday, 22 February 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Also that it has a blues structure until it goes all Latin.

Eazy, Friday, 22 February 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link

jay

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 22 February 2008 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link

as in "jaint".

Bobbi Peru, Friday, 22 February 2008 19:38 (sixteen years ago) link

this album is great, 'oh marion' is a straight up classic

deej, Friday, 22 February 2008 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

^^^

and also "God Bless the Absentee." "How the Heart Approaches What It Yearns" is easily overlooked but should be way up there in the chilled-out 70s Rhodes late-night Paul Simon album track canon.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 23 June 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link

No fucking way PS was cranking that shit beyond 3

calstars, Saturday, 23 June 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link

Remember, this is the same dude who wrote fucking “sound of silence”

calstars, Saturday, 23 June 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link

This is a dude who smokes a “j” and goes off into a corner and writes some sensitive shit

calstars, Saturday, 23 June 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link

And when I came back to the room
Everybody just seemed to move
And I echoed in the wells of silence

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 23 June 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link

"blew paul simon off the stage"

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how's life, Saturday, 23 June 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link

"blew paul simon"

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womp womp that sucker (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 June 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link

"The first thing I remember, I was lying in my bed 
I couldntve been no more than one or two"

isn't it "IT couldn't have been no more than one or two", IE, in the morning?

― BATTAGS, Friday, 22 February 2008 18:47 (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post

This!

Duke, Sunday, 24 June 2018 12:21 (five years ago) link

Late in the Evening« see all songsLyrics:

First thing I remember
I was lying in my bed
Couldn’t’ve been no more
Than one or two
I remember there’s a radio
Comin’ from the room next door
And my mother laughed
The way some ladies do
When it’s late in the evening
And the music’s seeping through

The next thing I remember
I am walking down the street
I’m feeling all right
I’m with my boys
I’m with my troops, yeah
And down along the avenue
Some guys were shootin’ pool
And I heard the sound of a cappella groups, yeah
Singing late in the evening
And all the girls out on the stoops, yeah

Then I learned to play some lead guitar
I was underage in this funky bar
And I stepped outside to smoke myself a “J”
And when I came back to the room
Everybody just seemed to move
And I turned my amp up loud and began to play
And it was late in the evening
And I blew that room away

First thing I remember
When you came into my life
I said, “I’m gonna get that girl
No matter what I do”
Well, I guess I’d been in love before
And once or twiceI’d been on the floor
But I never loved no one
The way I loved you
And it was late in the evening
And all the music seeping through

© 1980 Words and Music by Paul Simon

Duke, Sunday, 24 June 2018 12:23 (five years ago) link

I've misunderstood this lyrics for 30 years...

Duke, Sunday, 24 June 2018 12:24 (five years ago) link

I just put this album on. Original 79 pressing. The lyrics are printed on the inner sleeve. In contrast to the lyrics from Paul Simon's website, above, the first verse is given as follows, including grammatically incorrect use of "of".

The first thing I remember
I was lying in my bed
I couldn't of been no more
Than one or two
I remember there's a radio
Comin' from the room next door
And my mother laughed
The way some ladies do
When it's late in the evening
And the music's seeping through

Duke, Sunday, 24 June 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link

Grammatical inaccuracies are not something I'd associate with Paul Simon

Duke, Sunday, 24 June 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link

I guess I don’t believe Simon ever since he redacted/photoshopped any picture of him smoking.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beatles-bruce-smoked-out-20030304

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 02:17 (five years ago) link

Paul Simon rules

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 02:47 (five years ago) link

I wonder if Jordan Sarge ever heard this album

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link

when i saw him play this live two weeks ago he subbed "rhythm guitar" for "lead guitar" which is a decent lol as far as simon goes

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 03:26 (five years ago) link


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