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― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link
I thought that was just Johnny who was a fervent Republican.
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He had a reality show on VH1 I saw a commercial for where people had to live Nuge-style for a given amount of time.
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 24 January 2004 08:19 (twenty years ago) link
If notI think the only thing we learned here is that politics havefuck-all to do with music tastes.
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― Kerry (dymaxia), Saturday, 24 January 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
class warriordom = an excuse for small-c conservatism in 99.9% of cases. that really is all I have to say on the matter.
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 24 January 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link
i like both nick and robin so i'm keeping well out of this - but just to clarify...
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― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Saturday, 24 January 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link
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― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 24 January 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link
nick, claiming to understand their culture better than they do without having ever experienced it first hand
doesnt this tie into the recent relevancy and grime threads? While you didnt claim to do this, you did seem to dismiss the role of culture in those threads? the subjectivist position you took there, wouldnt that render the argument in italics invalid?
― Stringent (Stringent), Saturday, 24 January 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago) link
Robin's accusations have upset me more than anything else I've come across on ILX that I can remember. His first reference to me (and Dom) on his blog blindsided me; I'd never read Robin's stuff before and wasn't really aware of who he was outside of an occasional poster here, so to suddenly find myself specifically mentioned by name as being a conservative, or whatever he was insinuating, was a shock, as I'm sure it was for Dom (who pointed out the initial reference to me) and Dave. To be equated with the BNP and therefore fascism when Robin has never, to my knowledge, communicated with me in any way, certainly never beyond the confines of a fucking internet messageboard, is something I can neither understand or countenance. I feel like I'm being demonised (by one person whom I do not know) and I have no idea what for. It's not just upsetting; it's offensive. Two of my best friends are black (I know that's an awful fucking faux-liberal cliché) - the guy who directed the film I was in last summer and the guy who's lived down the road from me since we were five and four years old and who's now doing a physics degree at the university where I work - and they'd be horrified if I was in any way associated with fascist politics; likewise the italian, irish, french, tunisian and french-african people I played football with on Thursday: a; they'd be disgusted to share a pitch with me if I was BNP and b; I'd be disgusted to share a pitch with them if I was.
I'm not some kind of class-warrior and I object to being categorised as such. Class isn't something I ever write about for Stylus and it only ever creeps in on my blog in reference to things other people have said about or to me.
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Saturday, 24 January 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link
I would be interested to know why you seem insistent on picking a fight with people you only know through message boards? If you want a fight, you've got one, but yet I don't understand why.
would you also say a black broadcaster who played Elgar on Radio 3 should stick to his "own class heritage"?
Carmody, the only reason you'd approve of such an action is because it'd prove what you set out to argue in your original blog posting that started this whole sorry mess: namely, that the middle class are the idealised classes, the right classes. Said black broadcaster would be approved by you because he would acting in *your* culture. As you stated in your blog, the C2, C3, D, and E classes are just dress up.
You really are a fuck-up, though.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 January 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link
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Well I don't know, aren't country musicians generally conservative leaning?
yeah no
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
Tim McGraw's a Dem.
― kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
Brad Paisley
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
MIranda Lambert and Blake Shelton
there's certainly enough jingoism to go around country music but I wouldn't even call that a conservative trait, really (mostly thinking of Michael Moore's "why didn't we bomb the Saudis?" stance in "Fahrenheit 9/11" here)
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
What kinds of music do Republicans genuinely enjoy?
― buzza, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
SST always had a pretty strong strain of i guess uh...stoner libertarianism or something...but I always though Chuck Dukowski's quote "anarchy for me, facism for you" was a good a description of modern convervatism as anything
really ugly strains of right wing stuff and racism and stuff throughout thrash and metal, some of the thrash stuff i would imagine being handed down from hardcore punk
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
cf. Lester Bangs' "The White Noise Supremacists" about racism in the underground punk scene circa 1980.
― o. nate, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
there's certainly enough jingoism to go around country music but I wouldn't even call that a conservative trait, really
I would! but then again I have been nothing but rong in this thread so
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
that one really unfunny early 90s SNL actress, etc
She had this hilarious -- but not in the way she meant -- video song called "There's A Communist Living in the White House" which was part of the Pasadena Tea Party operation.
― Gorge, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
"Only Glenn Beck understands me"
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
"Spread the wealth" is not actually a direct quote from the Communist Manifesto, at least not the translation I have.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
If big cash wasn't involved Hollywood movies would be way more liberal
― President Keyes, Friday, July 15, 2011 1:51 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
But "Big Business" is always the bad guy in Hollywood! The venal capitalist out to screw everyone over so he can get paid is a trope!
― BIG HOOBA aka the stankdriver (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah he's usually played by Michael Ironside
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 15 July 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
The last anti-"big business" movies i can think of are alien trilogy and robocop. i'm trying to think of a more recent example, like maybe jurassic park, but they made attenborough too lovable in that.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 15 July 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
Generalization from personal experience: all metalheads are stoner libertarians
― thewufs, Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
The last anti-"big business" movies i can think of are alien trilogy and robocop.
What, are you kidding? Off the top of my head I can think of Avatar, Erin Brockovich, A Civil Action and Michael Clayton (three of which were Best Picture nominees), sci-fi crap like Death Race and Rollerball, the Bond flick Quantum of Solace, the new Alvin and the Chipmunks movies . . . if I sat and gave it some thought I bet I could easily come up with 50 or more from the last 10 years.
― BIG HOOBA aka the stankdriver (Phil D.), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
Wall-E...
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
victoria jackson is a vintage ws of shame
― dave barry (absolutely clean glasses), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
Obviously a lot of conservative people like "conservative" music, just as a lot of radicals like "conservative" music as well. And the other way round too.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 16 July 2011 07:34 (twelve years ago) link
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― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, July 15, 2011 2:24 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark
Is he for real liberal though? I just checked out one of his records from the library and it had some dumb line about "rebel flag flying" that didn't sound too apologetic about it. What's his deal, really?
― grit of ad hominem (kkvgz), Friday, 22 July 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Hollywood lol. Isn't it Hollywood career suicide to come out too early?
― owenf, Friday, 22 July 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link