2008 Primaries Thread

i could see where rich people would give money to ron paul just to fuck with the rest of the republicans

And Barry Manilow is a Ron Paul fan, apparently.

I read this as RuPaul.

is rupaul one word? cuz otherwise defacing ron paul signs would be very easy.

DIVA-LUTION

props to mark ruffalo for giving 600 bucks to gravel

even more hateable now

tom clancy gave $ to duncan hunter

shocker

I was going to say.

still funny though

kelsey grammar gave money to guiliani.

thats it i'm not watching fraiser reruns anymore unless david hyde pierce gives $ to obama.

kelsey grammar gave money to guiliani

another shocker there

i guess i hadn't been following his life closely enough to know what his politics were

to the right of Niles.

oh awes, just what we needed

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2008/jan/15/playing_with_fire_smearing_obama_among_jews

think adam sandler has contributed to giuliani (plus plugged him in at least two movies).

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0007/16/sun.07.html

this shit is ridic

ok finally, obama does his high road thing and tries to put this away:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Obama_putting_out_the_fire.html

then, HRC follows by saying the same thing

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/clintons_lets_all_come_togethe.php

meanwhile, charlie rangel is out there calling obama 'stupid' for his role in the MLK/LBJ fracas of the past week

http://thepage.time.com/ny1-release-on-rangel-interview/

yeah, lookin good there

xp whoa

"Well, I think you have a family audience so I'd rather not use the exact words, but it is an anti-Semitic slur."

any guesses?

blintz jockey

lol

i try not to be too pessimistic about HRC; come november chances are she could be the nominee and i'll have to figure out what i can do to get her up over mccain or romney. but the above sequence of events looks horrible and is horrible. and plenty of real shitbags have gone after O on Hil's behalf. Robert L. Johnson, gimme a break

let's ask the racial slur database!

x-post

I think Hil would say that this is what he can expect in the general

if not much worse

i try not to be too pessimistic about HRC; come november chances are she could be the nominee and i'll have to figure out what i can do to get her up over mccain or romney.

What's amazing to me, tho, is that in a head-to-head matchup, HRC currently has a bigger lead over McCain than Obama has over McCain (they both lead McCain, ever so slightly). So maybe she'll be fine as the nominee, but I doubt it.

this is what I'm saying about letting the other side go first. it's entirely possible that Hillary does better against McCain by neutralizing the experience thing, while Obama's youth neutralizes McCain's non-youth. Obama on the other hand appears to do better than Hillary against Huckabee, where the relevant question is likeability.

(and not being a fucking nutjob)

that would be credible if she were thrashing him handily but she isn't. + i'm still convinced that the GOP is going to be much worse against her (and more effectively so) than against BHO, swiftjihadi BS notwithstanding.

xps yeah i saw that poll with HRC having a slightly better edge against mccain, strange

which isn't to say that those poll results couldn't easily flip once the campaign begins and people realize how old mccain is or remember how much they don't like hillary

but they're worth taking seriously

is there a worse "liberal" columnist than richard cohen

obama's minister may have supported farrakhan? in 1982? that's really what you're pushing

such a hack

Dukakis led Bush I in polls in summer '88, y'know

in 1982?

oh sorry they gave the award last year ... bad reading comprehension

still a hack

another contra argument is that obama has likeability to fall back on. hillary still doesn't match up to mccain on experience - http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/ - and if/when he wins that battle, she's gotta turn to age.

the idea of hillary winning the nom is, like, crushing

another contra argument is that obama has likeability to fall back on. hillary still doesn't match up to mccain on experience - http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/ - and if/when he wins that battle, she's gotta turn to age.

But either Democrat (HRC or Obama) is going to make Iraq the issue in a GE. I don't care how he tried to backpeddal from, or soften, his statement that we should stay in Iraq for 100 years, but coupled with the recent announcement by an Iraqi official (Abdul Qadir) that our presence may be needed through 2018, that sets up a hopefully clear fault line: leave soon or stay long-term.

That's a debate I think/hope we can win.

Hopefully, we'd be able to link McCain to the very-unpopular Bush Admin.

I think the idea that all we have to say is McCain = Bush, and suddenly everyone's gonna say 'oh, i did not know that' and they'll all turn out to vote against mccain is at least in part a fantasy

What I was hearing on morning chat shows today was.. McCain's problem is the GOP base doesn't like him on: immigration, taxes, and given that immigration is the big issue GOP would try and demagogue to win the election.. and then if enough of the base doesn't turn out b/c of tax issue, probably values issues too, he's no evangelical

the idea of hillary winning the nom is, like, crushing

Yeah. Might as well hand the White House over to the republicans for the next 8 years now.

The Dem primaries are harder to win than the general election. GOP's on the wrong side of every issue.

I think the idea that all we have to say is McCain = Bush, and suddenly everyone's gonna say 'oh, i did not know that' and they'll all turn out to vote against mccain is at least in part a fantasy.

You're right about that. But (a) tying the two can do some damage and (b) we can tie them together on some of this Administration's most unpopular policies, e.g., the endless occupation of Iraq.

Nicole??

What I was hearing on morning chat shows today was.. McCain's problem is the GOP base doesn't like him on: immigration, taxes, and given that immigration is the big issue GOP would try and demagogue to win the election.. and then if enough of the base doesn't turn out b/c of tax issue, probably values issues too, he's no evangelical.

Don't bet on this. I spoke to a prominent leader in Florida's evengelical community, and he said he would happily support McCain in a GE (and would campaign for him).

(Spoke with him yesterday)

GOP's on the wrong side of every issue.

and the Dems come mighty close!

(as do the voters)

gop, dems, voters - wrong
morbs, dennis perrin - right

it's a small club