Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

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has any of those rubin session leaked?

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

all i could dig up was this:

"scary dreams" from ozzfest 2001, supposed to be a part of those rubin sessions

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

how many lawyers will it take for this to happen?!

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I couldn't believe all the metal sites & blogs assuming all these rumours were fact these last 18 hours or so.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it seems like fact checking went right out the window with this one but, otoh, its not too difficult to understand why some might choose to run with it given that it supposedly came directly from Iommi's own words.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fuuuuuuuckkkkk

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

As I say, nobody's giving a definite no, just that one 'reporter' seems to have taken liberties with a 'private' 'conversation' or some such.

Mark G, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 09:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Looks like this is definitely on:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/07/black-sabbath-reform-remembrance-day

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Judging by this twitpic on their official Twitter, they are playing the Whiskey today?

Or what?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nevermind, its a reunion press conference being held there, hosted by Rollins.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah this is on

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 11 November 2011 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

So, wait, within the last few years did the band ever officially break up? I know they were suing each other, but I think it fishy to call it a reunion when it's really only been, you know, a few years off.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2011 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

well it's a reunion of the original line-up which hasn't played together since 1978 so I think that it qualifies.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Saturday, 12 November 2011 01:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's not true at all! I saw the original line-up a couple of times within the last decade. Unless you mean different than Ozzy, Geezer, Iommi and Ward? Because they've already reunited the hell out of this thing.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

most interesting thing about that (basically awesome) youtube clip is: new album 2012.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

(to be released on the rinse FM label, no doubt)

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this lineup has been reuniting every few years since 1997 or thereabouts. I saw 'em in 2004 on Ozzfest.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

There is NO way this isn't going to suck balls. I had the displeasure of hearing some live reunion thing they did recently (2xCD - from the early aughts maybe? Dunno) and omg, Ozzy, please, for the love of God, STOP.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

There is NO way this isn't going to suck balls.

I disagree. The Rubin treatment could really do something special. Live, yeah, for sure, avoid, but the record might be the first interesting thing Sabbath has done in a good long while.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not if Ozzy's singing. Resurrect Ronnie James and, yeah, maybe. But this is gonna be awful. Mark it. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not. Ozzy sucks. He's sucked since The Ultimate Sin and the decline has been a long, sharp one.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i want to hear ozzy deliver a long, incoherent, slurred response to your critique.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wait a second, assholes could fly. Reunion was actually good. Especially if you are a true Sabbath fan-we were jacked to hear deep cuts like Behind The Wall of Sleep and Spiral Architect. Second, I saw Sabbath with Dio just two years ago, the band was fucking ON (granted different drummer and singer). No reason to believe this won't kill.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

is rick rubin producing it, really? interesting and odd combination.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

If anybody isn't psyched about this, get the fuck off the Sabbath thread.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

even belle & sebastian are psyched about this.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ozzy can sing fine. He wasn't a fantastic singer ever, all he has to do is hit the notes and keep time and be himself - and current engineering trends mean he doesn't really have to do the first two to make a good record.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rubin has produced slayer, metallica,trouble,etc. All bands that would not exist withotu the originators, and true masters of the form: Sabbath.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

excited.

charlie h, Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Daniel, Esq. I was not trying to take u down on my post. I am using my blackberry which causes serious delays. I was responding to assholes could fly

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, understood.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope this is not tied to some Ozzfest stupidity. I want a full set. I want supernaut , wicked world, megalomania,tomorrows dream. I don't want "hits". Please.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude you're never going to get "wicked world," c'mon.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

You know the point I'm trying to get across.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just hope Rubin puts an effort into this album like he did in the '80s and early '90s, because hasn't his style as of late has been to let his underlings do all the work and he just nod in approval?

A. Begrand, Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wicked world does kick ass though.

I can't tell you how excited I am about this. I can't wait. This band has meant a lot to me since I was young, I know how silly that sounds. But they are very important to me.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

You're all crazy. This is gonna make Loutallica sound like Budgie.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hahahahaha

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just hope Rubin puts an effort into this album like he did in the '80s and early '90s, because hasn't his style as of late has been to let his underlings do all the work and he just nod in approval?

that was always his style - he doesn't even actually engineer - IIRC he does not actually know how to twiddle the knobs, etc. what he does is listen to stuff and give it the thumbs-up or thumbs-down

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 November 2011 05:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ozzy sounded decent on his latest studio album (too bad the songs weren't really there) and the rest of the guys sounded fantastic backing up Dio, so I have no reason to think the album is going to be awful. Not really expecting it to blow me away either though.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 12 November 2011 05:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was always his style - he doesn't even actually engineer - IIRC he does not actually know how to twiddle the knobs, etc. what he does is listen to stuff and give it the thumbs-up or thumbs-down

If the Dixie Chicks documentary is any indication, he doesn't even show up to the studio. He does, however, offer such monumentally indispensable nuggets of wisdom like, "Nice chorus" and "I like the chorus" and "That's a good chorus."

His work on Ballbreaker was tremendous, though (and more engaged/hands-on, iirc); hopefully he'll do Sabbath the same way.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 12 November 2011 05:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm with jon. Ozzy sounded pretty good on his last album (and really good on tour, btw; the set list and length of set were both unprecedented). I'm cautiously optimistic.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 12 November 2011 13:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have low expectations. If wiki is at all accurate, the four original members of Sabbath worked with Rubin back in 2001 but eventually abandoned the project, and I would be shocked if the new album is not composed largely of these decade-old sessions. And the last time I saw the original four live, back in 2004 on Ozzfest, I thought they were turgid and terrible, and Ozzy was at the peak of his cheerleader clownishness. Iommi and Butler I imagine will be in OK shape, but the idea of Ozzy and Ward with an extra decade behind them is a scary thought. Those guys looked like they were going to die on stage.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2011 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

why not pick a more relevant producer? rubin's track record hasn't been great in the past 10+ years. everything he does sounds so clean and polished and devoid of any character.

i'd like to see sabbath produced by justin broadrick.

borntohula, Sunday, 13 November 2011 02:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sanford Parker producing Sabbath, now that would be something.

A. Begrand, Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

really hope Rubin approaches this like he did for Johnny Cash

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ if Rubin goes all in that way it could be really interesting. Hard to imagine Iommi going for it though

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

"It's now or never. We are getting along great. Everything's really good," said Iommi.

"It's like putting on an old glove. It's fantastic."

calstars, Sunday, 13 November 2011 03:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh man, who the fuck isn't psyched about putting on an old glove?

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Sunday, 13 November 2011 06:58 (2 years ago) Permalink


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