They're not something where any kind of expertise or aspirations toward completism factor in at all.
TBF I'm only really interested in making lists, not so much watching movies.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
^adapted from Metropolitan?
― satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
Dunno. Never watched it.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
haxp
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
I am just gonna listen to ten albums this year (up from 2 last year) and vote in the year-end ILM poll
― satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Monday, August 15, 2011 7:52 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
People do this. If you listen to 10 and love 8, why would you not want to bump up those 8? Obviously you'll be making less of an impact there than you would here as more people vote in those, but why the hell not?
Funnily enough one of the nicest polls to run of late was the 1950s music poll, where nobody threw their weight of supposed expertise around or insisted that there was an objectively correct list and an objectively wrong one.* Everyone got to discover a bunch of interesting stuff and also rep for their favourites, and it enthused most of us to go and listen to more music from that era, rather than making people uptight and hostile towards each other.
*Well, except for me and my insistence that everyone should vote for '50s electro, but... I was right.
― emil.y, Monday, 15 August 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
I wish I could find all the Voice polls going back 10 years--I can't. I wanted to compare their results to the ones here that Morbius and Eric H. are decrying. All I can find online for the documentary category are the past four years.
2010 -- Exit Through the Gift Shop (didn't make our Top 40, but drew three votes)2009 -- Anvil! The Story of Anvil (#31 in our Top 40; drew more votes than The Beaches of Agnes or La Danse: The Paris Opera Ballet in the Voice poll)2008 -- Man on Wire (#13 on our list)2007 -- No End in Sight (no votes here)
In their films of the century poll, their highest ranking documentary was Man with a Movie Camera, #16 on our list. Conceding that the Voice is hardly the last word in anything, and also that there's not a lot there to compare, I don't think our results look all that different.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
Woe is me! Our results have been validated by VV!
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
You mean as opposed to "Our results have been invalidated by Morbius and Eric H."?
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
i for one appreciate morbs & eric's dissent
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v4aj5vP__lQ/TdVyv1GFpsI/AAAAAAAAP80/aoehEe9pG6g/s1600/Statler%2Band%2BWaldorf.jpg
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
I think those are BOTH Dr. Morbius
― A41 (admrl), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
i like to think my thread-pissing was productive rather than... not
― cloud computing, robotics, 3G wireless connectivity, Skype, (history mayne), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Like away.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
i want this thread to be made into a documentary so i can never watch it and never vote for it.
― goole, Monday, 15 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
The point I'm making is that you seem to be adamant that the list here has been generated by a bunch of clueless people who don't see many documentaries. So I'm assuming you extend that to the people who vote in the Voice poll.
I have no problem with dissent. I do have some ideas on how to go about it.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
I'm starting to think that the only film I voted for that was released after 1990 will not be on the list. :(
― polyphonic, Monday, 15 August 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
"It's like a kind of torture / To have to watch the poll!"
― satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
Here, polyphonic, take a seat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AReU2zUTgs
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
i sorta feel like the top ten is gonna be down-the-line enough to straighten out the concern over presentism?, like probably. if things like man on wire, which everyone seemed to love, & totally got emotionally rather than cinematically driven votes, placed somewhere lower, i assume we all stuck to our guns on the crucial stuff that should have ranked high up.
similarly, continuing tape store's thing about not necessarily having been in the right place to catch a lot of docus, i feel like the probable absence of wisemans, for example, is complicated by the lack of a consensus pick & their pretty drastic unavailability/lack of exposure for most of the past thirty years
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
moreso than ilx's particularly dilettantish docu habits
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
This is true. Still, I see the opening to act the jerk and I'm gonna take it this time.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
You fuckers snubbed Chris Marker.
In favor of Billy Mitchell.
Welfare was my #3, and I would have loved for it to finish in the top 10. But I also know it's not the easiest thing in the world to see. I'm lucky to live in a city where we had a Wiseman retrospective, and where there are two or three video stores that have it on the shelf.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
you guys have driven me and Eric back into a coalition of the damned.
― satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
you guys have driven me into a coalition with Morbs
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
ha. you gotta post up your top ten when this is through; i am curious, & will make a concerted effort to atone for my un-rigorous, semi-frivolous list by eating some of the greens that pepper your list.
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
i don't even like 'sans soleil'... or 'grin without a cat'
but id like to see more of his old ones
― cloud computing, robotics, 3G wireless connectivity, Skype, (history mayne), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
Based on what I've read about it, A Grin Without a Cat is one of the things I most want to see from the ballots that came in.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
speaking as a dude who watches tons of documentaries and thx to some vote tally problems already knows that only 2 of my 40 make the list, so u can all shut it imo xposts
― I dream of vodka sandwich (jjjusten), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
i don't even like 'sans soleil'... or 'grin without a cat'but id like to see more of his old ones --cloud computing, robotics, 3G wireless connectivity, Skype, (history mayne)
but id like to see more of his old ones --cloud computing, robotics, 3G wireless connectivity, Skype, (history mayne)
You are disgusting.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Pb9nykjQA
― A41 (admrl), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I quite liked Grin Without a Cat but mostly remember Fidel trying to move that microphone. I also recall liking Sans Soleil... and don't remember anything from it.
And c'mon, World at War and Eyes on the Prize are longform TV shows, pure and simple.
― satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
it's partly that the 'grin' we have is some revisionist 1993 cut, i wanna see the original
― cloud computing, robotics, 3G wireless connectivity, Skype, (history mayne), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
not *that* much though
ok, let's be civil and wait to see if the wrong Herzog doc and the wrong Spike Lee doc finish 1-2.
had no idea Morbs was a booster for "Kobe Doin' Work"
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
World at War and Eyes on the Prize are longform TV shows, pure and simple.
I meant to link to this list of sports documentaries: http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2011-06/13/gq-film-best-ever-sports-documentary-movies/review. I wish'd I'd voted for Burns' baseball film after I looked at it.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure everything that's wrong with grin w/o cat stems from that disastrous decision to revise in 1993.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
That's the only version I've seen.
Was thinking 4 Little Girls, DJP.
― satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
ah, I was hoping you'd run with that joke
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
(I should watch more documentaries; "4 Little Girls" has been on my list for a long time but I almost never want to watch or read about real-life events outside of news media)
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 15 August 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
I've only seen the original Grin Without A Cat, on a crusty VHS belonging to one of the filmmakers who polled above (/namedrop)
― A41 (admrl), Monday, 15 August 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
(/hint of namedrop)
namedrop of filmmaker awarded low-ranking poll-place in widely condemned internet vote
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Monday, 15 August 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
hahaaaa
― A41 (admrl), Monday, 15 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
The top 10. I expect the nature of today's complaints will have to do with predictability--past #10, which came out of nowhere on the last few ballots to arrive--there aren't really any surprises.
I found this Time Out list of the greatest documentaries: http://newyork.timeout.com/arts-culture/film/599047/the-50-best-documentaries-of-all-time?page=0,1. They've got Shoah at #1 and Sans Soleil at #2--thank god for small miracles--and after that, a list that looks a lot like this one. Except ours has The King of Kong and theirs doesn't, so obviously this one's better.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
#10: Streetwise (Martin Bell, 1984)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1z0V0tDtO7w/TIba_Mu20UI/AAAAAAAAAFc/z7CVeqcnvhI/s400/25411601.jpg
53 points/4 votes
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcCFdPZ4IGI&feature=related
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
I will not comment on this thread today. You're welcome.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
I gave Streetwise a first place vote. great movie
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i_qxQztHRI (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
clemenza sets the stage for a predictable finish, only to unveil one behind-the-scenes musical dvd extra placing after another
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
that was a good one, I recall
― satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link