Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

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i'd sorta be surprised to see bresson fall markedly?

yeah his book did very well in this recent s&s 'best books' poll

another new factor may be, well, not vote 'rigging' as such, but... email and blogs will presumably increase the amount of 'comparing notes'

full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel like Antonioni's reputation has been steadily falling as well (though i despair at that development) but maybe that's a false impression.

glad to see my feelings about Bresson might be wrong.

ryan, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Contentiously, one critic had three Mann films on his list.)

nrq?

buttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbuttbutt (Lamp), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

wdn't rule out that being the editor!

full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

glad to see my feelings about Bresson might be wrong.

glad to be erroneously thought of as having deep inside knowledge, ha. idk, i think between there being a school of guys to whom he's still a god, a byword for a certain approach - as a religion to someone like eugene green or as an inspiration to someone else - and another set for whom he just a past master, i figure he should do okay. and rightfully, for me. pickpocket would make my list for sure.

not totally convinced that malick will suddenly shoot up on account of his recent spike, tbh? maybe, even, getting deep here, on account of the fact of a bunch of fraternal films from the same era, near enough, also competing for that kinda reevaluation spot - i forget the name of the studio criterion just reissued the set of, w/head & five easy pieces & all, but i feel like there's a lot of american stuff around from there which people might want to throw a vote to. maybe it's been too long since i've seen days of heaven though, or maybe he'll eat up some of altman's share, malick probably being more contemporary.

it is strange considering the approach, because i'm not totally sure that people are going to have the impulse to go for the things you feel you have to, this time around; like it must feel more and more limiting knowing that kane is your apex when you also have rivette in your back pocket or something else that'll be an emblem for where cinema can take us rather than how it is best practiced.

nick james is a ed yang stan, what a guy.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

will you get a ballot hm?

jed_, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

bresson is one of those geezers who suffer from not having one consensus pick from a generally p flawless filmography

REALLY hope that S&S don't treat first and second Godfather as one film this time round, that's such bs.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

xpost

idk

full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

jed's gonna intercept your e-mail

and then write in his own list

with #1 donnie darko

and only five other films

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

#2 The Box

i'm sure hm would be fine with it.

jed_, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep!

full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Slightly lawless how, schlump? I think the films are interesting as projects, not necessarily as films themselves

smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think Malick was relatively obscure prior to 1998 and TTRL, and considering that the next poll was 2001, i just feel that his profile is a lot higher, if probably pretty divisive.

thought the consensus Bresson was Au Hasard Balthazar...or Pickpocket. though I'd rep for a LOT of them.

ryan, Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, well; i think i just think of the s&s top 10s as quite a particular thing, maybe on account of the fairly canonical dominance of stuff like kane - of it being some kind of enquiry into the basically auteurist craft of feature-making. and so i think i'd feel daring putting 7Up in there because, vis a vis its TV origins & the nature of the project, they feel like they fit more neatly into a different box - that as much as s&s is going for a 'greatest films' list in one sense, it's really more about who used the toolset the best against different historical backdrops. this is obviously no reason not to vote for it, however, & i'd be including docus (gates of heaven) in my list, too, & included the Up series in my list for clemenza's thing. it's just a feeling (that i find you heretical).

i saw nick james talk, a while ago, at a thing that reviewed the last decade in film, not long after the most recent (and great) list of 30 films they put together was published in the magazine. and he'd tried to get yi yi, to screen, both as a highlight of the decade and as a representation of what he saw as a dying breed - he felt like making that kind of opus, on that scale, or on the scale of WKW's stuff, say, was not something that cinema was going to continue doing, that it would probably pad out in different directions. and while i don't think that's necessarily borne out by the facts - i think there are films from argentina & elsewhere that've basically taken the same approach, and not in small numbers - it does feel like there's some kind of truth to it, and i feel a shift in what making a film might mean, now, i guess in the same way that there are those occasional paradigm shifts in what the novel seeks to reflect about society (for me, w/films, it is more using the camera unobtrusively, as an eye, to paint portraits rather than to track action or tell stories, though i think that's probably me being overly gung-ho in appreciation of slow cinema, on account of having in a short spell got hip to a bunch of asian film that i'd slept on and suddenly feels like the future). & this kind of delineation of the shifting aims of films to me kinda exposes the older models, that i feel like the top 10s try to encapsulate - not really docus, not really newer impressionistic stuff but specific, systematic films that were made solidly with a command of their ingredients.

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

the most recent (and great) list of 30 films they put together

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/feature/49591
http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/feature/49593, btw

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Thursday, 11 August 2011 01:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ great post. I'm feeling convinced lately that the next great thing in film – obv. not mainstream, american film – will be a reinvigoration of impressionistic styles, driven by the integration of video-game and powerpoint type media

smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Thursday, 11 August 2011 01:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

wondering if killer of sheep is ever gonna get S&S love, or ilx love really

Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Thursday, 11 August 2011 03:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

It got a few votes in the 2002 poll (four or five maybe?) To Sleep with Anger got a vote or two too.

clemenza, Thursday, 11 August 2011 03:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jesus God, what kind of maniac thinks Apocalypse Now is better than Raging Bull?

satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 August 2011 05:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, you did notice that the last third of AN just sucks?

satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 August 2011 05:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

i haven't seen it in a while but i think the first two-thirds of 'apocalypse now,' at least, are great. as someone who's never understood the appeal of any of the 'godfather' flicks, i think AN is probably the only coppola that's ever been a big deal for me (apart from 'rumble fish').

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 11 August 2011 06:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

will be a reinvigoration of impressionistic styles, driven by the integration of video-game and powerpoint type media

curious for you to expand on this, remy

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Thursday, 11 August 2011 09:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: bresson - i'm not sure, but i think 'man escaped' wld prob be the brit consensus choice, maybe in france, too? the national film theatre in london's programme notes for 'l'argent' always used to claim that it was the best film ever by the best director, ever, and so... seems like 'pickpocket' is the american consensus pick, prob cos of schrader repping for it hard in 'transcendental style', tho i've always thought it was one of rb's less satisfying pics (relatively speaking, obv.) and of course, the correct ans. anyway is 'mouchette'...

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 11 August 2011 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

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Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 August 2011 11:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jesus God, what kind of maniac thinks Apocalypse Now is better than Raging Bull?

they're both flawed in interesting ways but I prefer AN's interesting ways.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 August 2011 11:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, ward, that all sounds right. think that's probably true of a man escaped, & it sorta ticks the right boxes to be considered his definitive pick - as spare as any of them, as serious and as singular.

ages since i've seen mouchette. i think i actually have kinda conflated it w/onibaba. & i still for the most part haven't seen his historical films ...

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Thursday, 11 August 2011 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also: Antonioni's reputation has been more uneven than any other major director in these polls.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 August 2011 11:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

fuck, been thinking too much about this so now i have to do one. these are the movies i'd want to give a push, even if they'd never make the top hundred

spirit of the beehive
killer of sheep
my neighbor totoro
koyaanisqatsi
playtime
dekalog series
the iron giant
ikiru
the seventh seal
blade runner

that's 10 but wings of desire and russian ark and probably some more films are equal. gummo got a vote in 2002 and i might hypothetically vote for it in contrarian solidarity. or maybe i'd throw a vote to shawshank, which might be more contrarian in this context.

Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

"semi-honest" ten
Scarface (1932)
Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949)
Night and the City (1950)
Vertigo (1958)
Last Year at Marienbad (1961)
Playtime (1967)
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
Pee Wee's Big Adventure (1985)
Crumb (1994)
Sin City (2005)

"strategy" ten
Sunrise (1927)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928)
The Third Man (1949)
Vertigo (1958)
Last Year at Marienbad (1961)
Playtime (1967)
2001 (1968)
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
Taxi Driver (1976)
Mulholland Dr. (2001)

little mushroom person (abanana), Thursday, 18 August 2011 13:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i could be reasonably comfortable with a top 20, but a top ten is just brutal; everything that's an exemplar of great, well-executed narrative stuff gets pushed into 11 - 20 because i feel like the top ten should be populated by kinda sui generis weird stuff that's more about cinema as a medium (can't really explain this distinction, but something about montage & communication as priorities rather than narrative or performance).

sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Thursday, 18 August 2011 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

is there any "action" movie that would ever have a shot at the top 25 or so? The Road Warrior?

ryan, Thursday, 22 September 2011 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Opening of Misty Beethoven

michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 September 2011 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

battleship potemkin

zvookster, Thursday, 22 September 2011 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

seven samurai, duh!

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 22 September 2011 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seven Samurai was tied for 9th last time in the directors' poll

xp!

Wages of Fear should get more votes.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 September 2011 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seven Samurai is a total duh, of course. I guess i was fixated on a particular post-70s idea of an action movie.

ryan, Thursday, 22 September 2011 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Any post-70s movie getting into S&S is sort of a quixotic proposal.

michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 September 2011 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

guys, the sight and sound poll has just become officially irrelevant. we are finally getting The New Canon.

Gukbe, Thursday, 22 September 2011 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Any post-70s movie getting into S&S is sort of a quixotic proposal.

i think we might've touched on this upthread, but isn't one of the perks of anticipating 2012 the 'changed viewing landscape' & you know celebrating that we live during the third act of kiarostami's career, with everything that means about recent films entering the canon?

347.239.9791 stench hotline (schlump), Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Question for Eric, Morbs, etc. If you had to pick one film post 1989 to vote for in S&S, which would it be? What about post 1999?

polyphonic, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't give up on Raging Bull yet in terms of a (barely) post-'70s film. It tied for 6th in the directors' poll last time; probably its biggest obstacle in gaining further ground this time would be Scorsese's mediocre output the past 10 years.

clemenza, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i'd probably take issue with the idea that it totally works that way, but more immediately you're forgetting that this poll will be conducted post-hugo

347.239.9791 stench hotline (schlump), Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hugo will likely trigger a major re-evaluation of Scorsese's entire filmography...I can see where a mediocre decade could cut both ways. Maybe all the recent mediocrity makes Scorsese's earlier films stand out all that much more; but I also think there's a general loss of enthusiasm about someone when they play out the string, and that that can impact how you feel about the earlier work. I can think of musicians where it's worked one way with me, and others where it's gone the other way.

clemenza, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

that GQ piece is vile.

ryan, Friday, 23 September 2011 02:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

if Sight and Sound isn't gonna honour movies post-1986, someone has to. I'm glad she's there, not giving a shit about Rules of the Game.

Gukbe, Friday, 23 September 2011 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't give up on Raging Bull yet in terms of a (barely) post-'70s film.

Yeah, not counting Raging Bull placing as a victory for post-'70s movies, Biskand.

michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 23 September 2011 03:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't know if I'll get a ballot -- maybe they already went out -- and I'm too flibbertygibbet really to be much cop at these kinds of anti-historical monumentalisation, as the S&S peeps know, but I should totally rep for The Thing if I do.

Also Sir Henry at Rawlinson End.

mark s, Friday, 23 September 2011 12:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Any ilxors get invited to participate? I promise not to (admit to) be(ing) jealous.

Question for Eric, Morbs, etc. If you had to pick one film post 1989 to vote for in S&S, which would it be? What about post 1999?

Respectively, Showgirls or Eyes Wide Shut and Inland Empire, probably.

Eric H., Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

first thoughts:

A Moment of Innocence

Mulholland Dr.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Recent films I'd back for all-time best: the Lynches, The Tree of Life and Être et avoir.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink


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