2012: Guardian reporter Paul Lewis tells the BBC the violence in Hackney is worse than in Enfield last night: "Rioters have control of an estate here. They have set up barricades along a number of roads."
― I for one am (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
Love the guy on the right here, hope he's still alive?http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5B075100000578-116_470x585.jpg
― not_goodwin, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
Twitter was saying Elephant and Castle was closed earlier, when it wasn't
it is now saying that East Dulwich Road Tesco is getting some attempted looting now
― MPx4A, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
lmfao
― I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
when do the housing benefit cuts kick in? 2012?
riots across london in 2012 will be kind of embarassing for the government during its olympic year
― nh (cozen), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
David Cameron is really dropping a bollock with this by the way. Second huge, stupid, unforced error of his premiership.
Housing benefit is a massive flashpoint - especially as more poor people are moved out of economically mixed areas, it'll just allow more areas like this to fester.
― Matt DC, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
distrust anyone who uses the phrase "it's as simple as that" about this
― lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
Turns out my gf and little lad were in the cinema in Harrow watching Harry Potter when they turned the film off and announced they were evacuating the town centre. He was NOT HAPPY.
― JimD, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
lol just saw a looter, he was about twelve years old
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Harringay Green Lanes retail park boarded up, literally 2 mins from where I live aaaargh but I think it'll be a false alarm
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\etc (Matt #2), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Harrow? Enfield? Really?
― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Would just board everything up if I were a shopkeeper right now. Who's going to be out in this?
― Matt DC, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Stevie, croydon? Which bit?
― problem chimp (Porkpie), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
Round West Croydon station according to the Beeb right now.
― Matt DC, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
"They live in a world of playstations and rap music! They have been weened on this since they left their mothers breast!"
― Michael B, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
David Cameron is really dropping a bollock with this by the way.
still in tuscany with his private tennis coach, lest we forget
― lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
what does "dropping a bollock" actually mean?
― caek, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not hearing any news of random passers-by being attacked, thank fuck. Not much of a comfort to people whose houses are burning mind.
― Matt DC, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
Ok got it, west croydon outside comic shop, lovely.
― problem chimp (Porkpie), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
No trains or buses out of w croydon. Is one of the least lovely parts of London IMO, for those who've never been.
― problem chimp (Porkpie), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
my housemate has his samurai sword out
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
just in case
Very very cynical thought: riots allowed to burn out of control in poor areas now to justify complete revocation of any and all civil liberties & rights over period of martial law for Olympics? Too paranoid and cynical?
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
yes
― caek, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
Simon Hughes is on TV finger-wagging people who "think this is a fun way to spend the summer holidays". FFS.
― Matt DC, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not hearing any news of random passers-by being attacked, thank fuck.
nah i saw the first tweet about passers-by being mugged for bikes and cash in london fields a few hours ago, then a friend of a friend got mugged http://twitter.com/#!/fransingh
― lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
would kinda respect Cameron more if he stubbornly stuck to his guns and refused to end his holiday even if London ends up split into a few dozen anarchist rogue states.
My lols about braving the riots in going to Hackney tomorrow (to sign a lease) have now turned into proper concern. Lousy hubristic cynicism.
― Sir Chips Keswick (Merdeyeux), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
Was speaking to a senior cop about murders in London a few months ago and this was basically his exact line. He was saying "they get nothing but killing from these rap videos they watch on that channel, what's it called...?" I was pondering saying "what, like Channel U or something?" and thought better of prolonging the conversation, then he remembered and said "oh yes, MTV"
― MPx4A, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
:o
― lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
― JimD, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:20 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
If this happened just as Voldemort shot Harry then yeah, kids gonna be like OH SHIT
― I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I got a delayed train out of Victoria, no services going thru Peckham AT ALL and the driver explained we might not stop in West Croydon due to "the wrong kind of unrest on track"
Streathim is weird, everyone is standing outside pubs, shops, talking, warning about riots and mobs - one lady stopped me outside Wimpy and told me to go home because the police told the shop to shut as there was "a mob coming over the hill" and pointed in the direction I'd just come from (seeing nothing on the way) but if we got Brixton overspill last night we might get Croydon overspill tonight.
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
bet that pig had never heard of the beatles either right
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
A man has been taken to hospital after being shot in the face on a street in Leeds.Police officers were sent to Saville Place in the Chapeltown area of the city on Monday evening.A police spokesman said they had few details of the incident but BBC television reporters at the scene said there was a crowd of up to 100 at the scene and some were masked.A police spokesman confirmed one man had suffered gunshot injuries.
Police officers were sent to Saville Place in the Chapeltown area of the city on Monday evening.
A police spokesman said they had few details of the incident but BBC television reporters at the scene said there was a crowd of up to 100 at the scene and some were masked.
A police spokesman confirmed one man had suffered gunshot injuries.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
PaulLewis Paul Lewis#Hackney Youth: "I wanted to see us do this to the fucking Feds for years."5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
― lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
omfg EXPLANATION IS NOT JUSTIFICATION, everyone on the news
riot in new cross a bit of a non starter. went for a bit of a gawk, just some random looters and hipsters w/ slrs all milling about hoping for a bit of drama.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
they're not really 'doing' anything 'to' the 'fucking feds' are they
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
really hate englishers using "Feds". we have our own nicknames for police. you don't have to steal slang from rap records, the beatles were doing it decades before.
― I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure all those police officers living on the Pembury Estate will be gutted at it being trashed.
― Neil S, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
iirc "feds" means "people who live above shops" #slang
― sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:47 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
truthbomb
― sbgorf (stevie), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
this is pretty fucked up. how is it that the met knew hackney was going to erupt all day and still arent prepared for it? what a sham. unless theyre just not bothered. maybe if it was primrose hill theyd make more effort.
"really hate englishers using "Feds"."
but the kids using feds dont wanna be using the same slang as old geezers from the 60s
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
think the dudes setting fire to shit aren't really bothered by what you think
― lex pretend, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
'oh no, i'm clocking up mad overtime, what a personal disaster' - the feds
― sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
i was pretty shocked actually that that huge building that got burnt out in tottenham was just a residential block. lots of families inside when they started the fire :|
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp looking down their noses at us from their lofty perches above the fried chicken shop.
― Neil S, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
then make up yr own slang for a new day. americanos being using 'feds' for decades too.
― I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
I don't like Englishers using "hipsters"
― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
"if croydon wasn't on the map, it is now" - <3 u sky
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
to most ppl here though they wont know what on earth feds means cos the majority of britishers dont listen to hip hop so its still kinda 'code' unless youre in the know
media reporting on tv seems to be pathetic and smug so far - no real thought on journalists part into what this might all mean - will see what paxman is saying
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
hope all goes as well as it can at any actions saturday.
― i like HOOS but this took the cake off my table (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:45 (ten years ago) link
but if we're pointlessly counting contributions, let's note i've made a couple more than you have.
yes you win the prize well done america!
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link
all right, good day. sorry i intruded.
― i like HOOS but this took the cake off my table (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link
Kettled by the lol police
― it was a cool and cutting-edge prank in October 2013 (wins), Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link
I had no idea someone involved in any way with journalism or the media could be ignorant of permutations of the term 'vox populi' #shame
― baked beings on toast (suzy), Thursday, 9 January 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
seems like some people weren't on the porn/leather thread this summer.
― how's life, Thursday, 9 January 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Way to go guys, keep the tepid lolz rolling on this thread about an unarmed black man being gunned down by police.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 January 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
i think, with this, there's so much to say and yet it feels so disappointing and depressing that saying anything feels futile. i could talk about some of the idiot opinions I've heard in the last 24 hours; about how he deserved it, or how if you 'choose' to be in a gang then you know what the consequences are, or if you have a gun you deserve to be shot, or that the media are inciting people to riot, but what's the fucking point? Boris'll get his watercannon, the police'll get off scot-free, the 2011 riots will be remembered as an embarrassment and it'll just happen again and again and the more it happens the more police and governmental oppression will win-out. happy fucking 2014.
― An embarrassing doorman and garbage man (dog latin), Thursday, 9 January 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
the cafc messageboard is my general bellwether for how yr average person thinks about a big news story; there's essentially almost full support for the verdict there, with the justification that duggan was carrying a gun and was a nasty gangsta sort who chose the way of violence and got what was coming
i perhaps don't have the heart to go on and say that all of the above, while also being vindictive and spiteful, is completely irrelevant to the fact of systemic flaw & delegation that resulted in the act of a trigger being pulled on a man who was at that moment unarmed, and the process of obfuscation which followed
obviously this case is not one-fiftieth as horrifying as the de menezes one, but it is horrifying nonetheless
― VENIET IMBER (imago), Thursday, 9 January 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
ladies and gentlemen, richard littlejohn
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdm5rArCIAAeXY8.jpg
what a cunt
― lex pretend, Friday, 10 January 2014 09:26 (ten years ago) link
Since this irredeemably racist shitbag lives in Florida, does he have someone sending him AVIs of Benefits Street or did a sub just put that reference in there?
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Friday, 10 January 2014 09:28 (ten years ago) link
I can't even believe... I know it's Littlejohn but crikey...
― An embarrassing doorman and garbage man (dog latin), Friday, 10 January 2014 09:45 (ten years ago) link
so much utter repulsiveness compacted into four short sentences - you've gotta say he's an amazingly efficient writer
― tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Friday, 10 January 2014 09:59 (ten years ago) link
this is one troll who def shdn't have his hackery dignified with responses
― Jargon Kinsman (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 January 2014 10:04 (ten years ago) link
this, this, this
― VENIET IMBER (imago), Friday, 10 January 2014 10:05 (ten years ago) link
DNFTT hasn't really worked so well w/r/t his career in general, has it?
― lex pretend, Friday, 10 January 2014 10:10 (ten years ago) link
i'm not trying to be sanctimonious, if people address his "points" without giving him attention that's a good thing
ignoring him has no effect on his career because he is also speaking to/for his constituency of poisonous tiny minds, the jeers of actual human beings are just an ego massage for him, that's the thrill we shd try to deny him
― Jargon Kinsman (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 January 2014 10:13 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, this is Louise Mensch syndrome - you can know and dismiss that a certain person is nothing but a purely attention-seeking troll, but the moment that you see their attitudes being taken up and parroted by others, it is rather important to address those *attitudes*, without feeding the source troll.
― Branwell Bell, Friday, 10 January 2014 10:23 (ten years ago) link
OTM. It's not like he's the only person talking like this.
― An embarrassing doorman and garbage man (dog latin), Friday, 10 January 2014 10:56 (ten years ago) link
Carole Duggan also punched/shoved a Daily Mail reporter (GWAN) on Wednesday because of the way that paper dealt with her nephew's funeral, so this is Dacre's revenge.
― baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 10 January 2014 11:14 (ten years ago) link
surprised Dacre cares that much about the grunts tbh
― Jargon Kinsman (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 January 2014 11:16 (ten years ago) link
Littlejohn lives in a gated community near Orlando, where there are TONS of cheesy Brits with similar views, and you can buy the Mail in convenience stores all over the state, wherever there are tourists and second-homers.
― baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 10 January 2014 11:20 (ten years ago) link
the justification that duggan was carrying a gun and was a nasty gangsta sort
If I see that phrase "Live by the swrod, die by the sword" again I'll punch a Daily Mail reporter
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 10 January 2014 13:02 (ten years ago) link
More like "live within racism, die by racism" unfortunately.
― Branwell Bell, Friday, 10 January 2014 13:06 (ten years ago) link
The CPS has declined to prosecute an armed office in another case (in Manchester) because they apparently didn't think a jury would convict:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/16/greater-manchester-police-health-safety-unarmed-anthony-grainger
― Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Thursday, 16 January 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
The background to that shooting is unsurprisingly murky as fuck http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315777/The-memory-stick-killing-When-police-lost-data-card-names-1-000-informants-questioned-father--cleared-Two-months-later-shot-dead.html
― oppet, Thursday, 16 January 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
Ha, saw that earlier & thought of this thread. police being basically collectively prosecuted for killing someone under health&safety was so nakedly absurd w/ the jean charles de menezes case I am amazed they're doing it again
― ogmor, Thursday, 16 January 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
I think the difficulty in both cases was trying to find someone with enough individual responsibility to prosecute. That's not easy to do when you have a string of incompetent or dodgy decisions by a large number of people.
― Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Thursday, 16 January 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
That's not easy to do not allowed when you have a string of incompetent or dodgy decisions by a large number of people police officers.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 January 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link
There's an element of that too, of course, but it's not much easier going after a rail company for corporate manslaughter after an avoidable crash, etc. Health and Safety regs are often used there too.
― Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Thursday, 16 January 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link