I'm sorry but Paul Simon is so overrated

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nah, you probably already hated me when I started posting here in 2004

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

the funny thing though is that I think I was kind of defending Simon? in that I think he's not really THAT highly rated, and even seems to have some kind of inferiority complex about his legacy. Despite the fact that he's an obvious classic who wrote some monster songs that have become all-time standards.

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

didnt know this had an official vid

Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

why deny the obvious sock?

― buzza, Tuesday, November 16, 2010

buzza, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

hahaha

J0rdan S., Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

wtf is this thread?

by another name (amateurist), Sunday, 7 August 2011 08:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't care for solo Paul Simon either. Graceland was boring.

Kent Burt, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

f a h8r, paul 4 lyfe

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is he really that highly rated though?

no idea what this means.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

so many SBs to give out in this thread

max, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

also simon is a better lyricist than stupid ol leonard cohen--there are very few people who can write words to music (and perform them) better than paul simon can--also graceland is really amazing

max, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

its funny that you should mention writing words to music and graceland in the same breath because its my understanding that it was his first album using that method, before that it was always music to words, and das why graceland feels so free

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

and fwiw cohen owns, lets all be cool

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

If "consensus" matters, then the consensus about Simon's eponymous debut, Still Crazy..., and Graceland still holds. Matos said in a recent column that So Beautiful or So What was so far his favorite album of the year.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like Cohen too! I don't have a problem with someone preferring Cohen to Simon; I just don't get this "highly rated" stuff. We're not talking about James Taylor or Al Stewart here.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

great thread

Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

This man is so overrated it's pathetic!!

generally speaking when someone drags "it's pathetic!!" or some variation thereof into their criticism it's because they are---or have the critical faculties of---a fourteen year old venting on facebook

g++ (gbx), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Scharlach Sometimes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

ITT: You can't say "___ sucks" anymore, it's a weird internet rule.

Super Villains With Drum Machines (MintIce), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

I will say, having seen both Cohen and Simon live in recent years, that Cohen may be the only great living singer/songwriter who may be less of a singer than Simon. Not that it matters, in either case. I'll happily accept Cohen's monotone rumble and Simon's limited but nimble sing-song.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe I'm way off base but I do feel like there's this certain quality about Simon where he knows he never really reached the level he wanted to attain

I remember reading in that David Browne book "Fire & Rain" that Simon didn't feel like he got his due as a songwriter and was always chasing the kind of respect that Dylan got. Also it pissed him off that people gave Garfunkel most of credit for BOTW even though Simon wrote it. And when he wanted to go solo Clive Davis basically told him that he wasn't well known enough to be a success on his own.

President Keyes, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah PS does not seem very humble or earnest. not that it detracts from his music.

Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

feel like simon never quite got the props of those other dudes cause hes not you know cool

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

legendarily one of the nastiest sob's as a person in music. that said, i like not love s&g, love the early solo records, and hate graceland with the passion of a billion white hot suns

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

really? Post some nasty SOB stories!

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Has he done anything to top this?

Scharlach Sometimes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's always that Los Lobos story

Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I believe Los Lobos, or rather, I'm not sure they understood the danger of working with a singer-songwriter.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I assume every famous person is a bit of an SOB, but Simon doesn't seem any worse than most.

President Keyes, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

Certainly do not understand comparisons to Leonard Cohen who in my view is legend. I guess I am rather bewildered at how someone behind classics like Bridge Over Troubled Water could sink to the lows that he has over the years. I disagree that he seems to know he hasn't reached the level of his contemporaries. From what I can tell he seems to believe in his own pretension.

Alamac, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

"believing in your own pretensions" is tautological, isn't it?

I hate BOTW tbh.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've increasingly come to believe the Los Lobos story is bullshit at worst, a misunderstanding at best. Lot least because Simon made a concerted effort to actual credit many of his African collaborators on that album:

"The Boy in the Bubble" (Forere Motloheloa/Paul Simon) - 3:59
"I Know What I Know" (General MD Shirinda/Simon) - 3:13
"Gumboots" (Lulu Masilela/Jonhjon Mkhalali/Simon) - 2:44
"Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes" (Joseph Shabalala/Simon) - 5:45
"Homeless" (Shabalala/Simon) - 3:48

If he wasn't going to fuck the Africans, why would he fuck Los Lobos?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

was last night the first time you've ever seen a gray-haired old music icon playing lesser new material on TV? xpost

Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, probably tautological. Can someone please tell the Los Lobos story.

Alamac, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

los lobos always sounded like a bunch of whiners and their music is sort of bad.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Retroactively, he had to give songwriting credit to all the African guys he stole from that were working on it and everyone seemed to forget.

uh he gave them songwriting credit on the original album!

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

So we go back in the second day wondering why we're there. It was ridiculous. I think David starts playing "The Myth of the Fingerprints," or whatever he ended up calling it. That was one of our songs. That year, that was a song we started working on By Light of the Moon. So that was like an existing Lobos sketch of an idea that we had already started doing. I don't think there were any recordings of it, but we had messed around with it. We knew we were gonna do it. It was gonna turn into a song. Paul goes, "Hey, what's that?" We start playing what we have of it, and it is exactly what you hear on the record. So we're like, "Oh, ok. We'll share this song."

This may be true but I blame the band's naivete.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol i dont really care if paul simon is an awful human being but the way lobos bro tells that story it makes no sense at all

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think David starts playing "The Myth of the Fingerprints," or whatever he ended up calling it. That was one of our songs.

aggrieved studio musicians are the art of pretend forgetfulness

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I just find it difficult to believe that a band whose reputation was already as high as Los Lobos would walk into a Lenny Waronker-arranged studio collaboration with Paul fucking Simon and not understand the consequences.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

if it's any consolation, Lobos bro, "The Myth of Fingerprints" is one of the album's weaker songs.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is my fav part:

We go into the studio, and he had quite literally nothing. I mean, he had no ideas, no concepts, and said, "Well, let's just jam." We said, "We don't really do that." When we jam, we'll switch instruments. Dave will play drums, I'll play something. We don't really jam. Especially in that era. Louie will be the first to tell you this – he was made to play drums. They forced him to play drums. He's not really a drummer by trade. He's never practiced a moment in his life. Not once in his life did he sit down at the drums because of his love for drumming. The other three guys made him play drums in the early days, so he sort of became drummer by default. He hates playing the instrument, I think.

wahhhh they FORCED him to play drums!

call all destroyer, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

if it's any consolation, Lobos bro, "The Myth of Fingerprints" is one of the album's weaker songs.

― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, August 7, 2011 10:08 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ehh it's obviously tossed off but the chorus lyrics slay me

call all destroyer, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean there's no doubt about it
It was the myth of pretend forgetfulness

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

we jammed, which was a horrible idea that produced a classic album, he stole our songs that sound nothing like los lobos but a lot like paul simon, gave credit to everyone else he worked with, made a dude play drums, we couldve sued him but still havent

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like the way he keeps saying "favor to the family"

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

also the little detail about paul simon mispronouncing 'zydeco' (even tho he gets it right... ON THE ALBUM)

swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

cause lobos told him is why

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

lowblows

estela, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

really good post / mix by judith (plax?) itt

D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

lots of good posts but i think he singled something out there

D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the greatest thing about his 1st album and much of his later catalogue is precisely the mix of precisely arranged and tightly written songs and the room to breathe (melodically and in terms of pacing and arrangement) he gives them... he's someone who is obviously concerned with written "good" songs (in a way that's become a cliché of adult-album-alternative) but who has also absorbed the lessons of much of the blues, folk, gospel, and world music he loves. peace like a river is a good example.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

no no you guys this one's pretty easy

"I look outside my window and I watch the Cars" - Paul is in London where Roy Thomas Baker is producing their debut, he sees them arriving at the studio daily for tracking
"I fear I'll do some damage one fine day" - he is thinking of covering one of their songs in his own style
"but I would not be found guilty by a jury of my peers" - old hippies will love my Cars cover no matter what it sounds like
"still crazy after all these years" - I am an axe murderer

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ absolutely lolling at this right now

Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Have really really been feeling the first album again lately. I think I go through phases with this guy, but boy is "Papa Hobo" resonating somehow. I'm living on Gatorade...

Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

gatorade is tasty it's tru

lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Solo careers are so underrated
Keep your Garfunkel and Simon completely separated

flopson, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

gatorade is tasty it's tru

― lag∞n, Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

orange gatorade especially.

art garfunkel's jimmy webb covers album is fantastic.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 February 2012 05:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/hey-isnt-that-paul-simon-and-thomas-friedman-at-the-bombay-club/2012/02/07/gIQAuvGCxQ_blog.html

Singer Paul Simon and New York Times columnist Tom Friedman dining together at the Bombay Club Monday night with two others. Shrimp, kebab, veggies among their shared dishes. What’s the occasion? Nothing special, the columnist’s office told us, “just a dinner with friends.”

Bombay Club in Washington D.C. I think

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

o jesus dont tell me these things

lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly :(

horseshoe, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

five or six D.C.-looking types.

hahaha

BJ O (Lamp), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

jews

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/arts/music/paul-simon-with-the-jazz-at-lincoln-center-orchestra.html?_r=1

This sounds like it was an interesting gig

excerpt:

By JON PARELES
Published: April 20, 2012

Transformations, extrapolations and a few collisions were on the program when Paul Simon performed with the Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra on Thursday night at the Rose Theater, part of a three-night fund-raising series. (With tickets costing hundreds of dollars, perhaps it was no coincidence that the first words Mr. Simon sang were “She’s a rich girl,” from “Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes.”)

Mr. Simon and Wynton Marsalis performed and brought their bands together for a concert of Simon songs at Jazz at Lincoln Center.
Mr. Simon, not usually one to cede control of his music, brought his own band to perform side by side with the Lincoln Center big band led by Wynton Marsalis. Mr. Marsalis noted that Mr. Simon was playing (and paying his band for) “three concerts for absolutely no money.”

It was all about arrangements, old and new: easing in and out of Mr. Simon’s usual band versions or completely revamping the songs. In the course of the night, the Lincoln Center band became a tag team, a beefed-up horn section, a new perspective and, now and then, a fifth wheel. As Mr. Simon sang, he breezed through the alterations to songs he has been singing for decades, toying with the timing of familiar lines to keep them conversational and immediate.

The program didn’t focus on the Simon songs closest to jazz; it didn’t include, for instance, the chromatic labyrinth of “Still Crazy After All These Years.” Instead it favored his folky and rock-tinged repertory, his three-chord marvels. Nearly all of the new arrangements were by the orchestra members, and they had a hard act to follow: Mr. Simon’s meticulous originals, with their ingenious cultural hybrids and ever nimble rhythms. His music is tightly wound, and within it are hints and implications that the big-band arrangements could pick up, and did.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Guessing this event was too pricey for most NY ilmers (or they think Paul Simon is so overrated)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm sorry but wynton marsalis is so overrated

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

agree

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

i watced the bbc under african skies docu and it was dope as hell

lag∞n, Monday, 27 August 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thread of missing Alamac

buzza, Monday, 27 August 2012 02:24 (2 years ago) Permalink


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